OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

[allrightythen]

Then VF we could pull off your Peja and Miller for Garnett trade and have a nice lineup.

Bjax/Tinsley
Evans/Martin/Barnes
Artest/Barnes
Garnett/Thomas/Simien
Skinner/Ostertag/some other Center who cares we got Garnett

I'm not going to mention the reality of the Garnett thing because that has just always seemed to good to be true, but do you really think that Bibby is worth that much more than Tinsley? cause I know Corliss is not worth anything near Artest. Seems like a very interesting idea though.

 

[VF21]

Hey we need defense and Bibby is our weakest defender. Alot of talk about how well Bjax has played defense that would solve our backcourt defensive problems and not loose in scoring at all. Plus Tinsley would be a good backup incase Bobby's head falls off or something.

P.S. VF21 -- I knew another Artest trade scenrio from me would get your attention

Bibby might be our weakest defender but he's also our only true clutch shooter AND the only guy willing to step up and be leader. I may be old and losing my mind but I don't recall Bobby being a defensive juggernaut and I KNOW he's not really a point guard. Expecting Bobby to pass and set up pick and rolls is like expecting Peja to get double-digit rebounds every night. You can expect all you want but wishing ain't gonna make it so.

Tinsley would be a good backup in case Bobby's head falls off or something...

AACK!!!!!!

Well, at least I know what the topic of my nightmares are going to be for a while!

Bill Walton: It's HORRIBLE! In the history of the NBA there has never been anything as HORRIBLE as this! Bobby Jackson's head has fallen off! It's HORRIBLE!!!

 

[SoupIsGood]

Pacer fans - Entity is desperate to get Artest onto our team. Please do NOT assume his trade proposals are representative of the majority of Kings fans here.

What shocked me is that he had Jackson starting ahead of Tinsley.

But I soon came to my senses. You won't get more than half a season out of either of them, so I quickly deduced that Mr. Entity was simply saving Tinsley for the playoffs.

You are a brilliant man, cheers to you Entity.

 

[albeitrue]

could garnett play center?

Yes, Garnett (at 6'11" and probably 7'1 wingspan) plays the 5 during certain matchups, and can make a lesser center look clumsy. Probably one of the most complete players in the league. Clone him 4 times and you get a championship starting lineup!

 

[VF21]

Kevin Garnett at the point? ...

Sorry, albeitrue. I was with you right up until I tried envisioning him as a point guard. Sometimes, tall just ISN'T what you need.

 

[albeitrue]

Kevin Garnett at the point? ...

Sorry, albeitrue. I was with you right up until I tried envisioning him as a point guard. Sometimes, tall just ISN'T what you need.

Well, if 'tall' was the only criteria for being a poor PG, then you would be right. My point (silly as it was) is Garnett has the TALENT to play any position on the floor. Killjoy.

 

[VF21]

I could honestly see him at the 3, 4 or 5 - which, of course, he has done. And, in a pinch, I might buy him as the world's tallest 2. Just thinking of him bringing the ball up the court on a regular basis as a PG, however, gave me shudders and memories of just about the only thing I used to get mad at Vlade and Webber for doing.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Minny has played KG at the point several times, if I remember correctly. If not the point, he did bring up the ball a lot more than most would expect.

 

[albeitrue]

I could honestly see him at the 3, 4 or 5 - which, of course, he has done. And, in a pinch, I might buy him as the world's tallest 2. Just thinking of him bringing the ball up the court on a regular basis as a PG, however, gave me shudders and memories of just about the only thing I used to get mad at Vlade and Webber for doing.

But if he were ALL of the team he could definitely deal with his own inadequacy at the point. He would know what to do, he would be everywhere! Could you just imagine a team of Kevin Garnett's...passing to himself on the fastbreak for the ally-oop slam, pic & roll to himself, getting free on the wing to receive the push-out from under the basket (just for fun), and on the defensive end...oh, I can't even GO there!

 

[AleksandarN]

Its not like Bobby played like a pg anyway. We could always re-sign House.

I'd take Jones for Jackson straight.

I would also. I like Jones.

 

[ParniValjak]

OK this is not a trade proposition.

What would people think about signing Alonzo Mourning for MLE??????

He would bring some rebounding, defence and shot blocking. Yes he is a bit of a risk but for some reason I could really see him fitting into our team. Might even release Brad to be the player we run our offence through at the high post and we could have Zo playing closer to the basket and blocking or altering shots coming his way.

Thought???????

 

[Mad D]

OK this is not a trade proposition.

What would people think about signing Alonzo Mourning for MLE??????

He would bring some rebounding, defence and shot blocking. Yes he is a bit of a risk but for some reason I could really see him fitting into our team. Might even release Brad to be the player we run our offence through at the high post and we could have Zo playing closer to the basket and blocking or altering shots coming his way.

Thought???????

It would be nice, but it looks like he is trying to win a championship before his body gives out again.

 

[foretaz]

How about Mike Bibby and Corlis Williamson For Artest and Tinsley?

Then we could start Bobby and finally have defense at the PG and SG spots.

though not related to this trade, i will mention i too, from time to time, like to indulge in the kg dream-seeing him and artest playing on the same team...sooner or later i wake up....as i personally see no way, despite grumblings from time to time, that he ever leaves minny before his early 30s at best....

anyway regarding the trade mentioned here...let me first just say im probably one of the most staunch artest supporters u will find-by that i mean im a firm bleiver of having him on the team and continue helping him with the things in his life that torment him at times....what he is capable of bringing to a team on the floor as well as a teammate to me makes all the time and effort that might be needed worth it....

so for me...this proposed trade has a number of flaws from my perspective that would have me humbly say no thank you....

i believe both point guards are probably in the top 6 or 7 talents in the league at their position....and personally i like mike bibby a great deal and can appreciate why most all of u want no part of even talking about getting rid of him....kinda how i feel about artest in a way...

but i dont see him being much of an upgrade over tinsley....some might say none at all-in this proposed trade that point is moot....because the other half....williamson is a backup forward for all intents and purposes and good backup by all rights....but artest is a DPOY and allstar and allNBA....and in my eyes definitely a top 5 OVERALL talent in the league...i would think most anyone would have to agree that the gap between artest and williamson is far greater than that between tins and bibby....i also believe this trade wouldnt work salary wise either as far as trades and the cba go

i will also add this about ron.....hes just about the best value in the nba....only a few guys still on their rookie contracts are better...and we know what will happen once they finish those....

and thats what makes trading for artest that much more difficult...all players of similar ability are making 2 to 3 times what hes making....and since we are far over the cap....welll...this is personallly just one of the reasons, and the main business reason, he is borderline untradeable in my eyes....

 

[Rowdyone]

I haven't visited this thread for a while but was surprised to see people finally considering breaking up our "core" of Bibby, Peja and Miller. While each player in his own right is outstanding together they become vertically challenged and defenseless. So having all three on the floor puts a terribe burden on the other two to play defense and rebound while playing superior offense as well. Tough to find guys like that. The solution is to break up the "core". And while many good trades have been proposed already I still lust after Paul Pierce who's being shopped, according to Chad Ford, to Portland for their #3 pick. Now, consensus is that Marvin Williams and Andrew Bogut will be gone by #3 leaving PG & SG in the next three positions. So, if Boston needs a PG Petrie needs to convince Ainge that a bird in hand is worth two in the bush...or, a top five and rising PG in Mike Bibby and filler (Tag?) is worth Pierce and filler (Jefferson?). Next, he convinces Larry Bird that Peja and filler (Thomas?) is worth the head case (who knows if he'll even finish the season, Larry?) Artest and Jeff Foster. Next he signs FA Antonio Daniels to play PG and FA's Chris Andersen and Mo Evans and maybe even Matt Barnes if Philly releases him and our lineup is;
SF - Artest, Corlis & Barnes
C - Foster, Skinner
PF - Miller, Andersen, Jefferson
SG - Pierce, Evans, Martin
PG - Daniels, Jackson

 

[hrdboild]

I don't know guys. Pierce may sound pretty good, but I think you would eventually be disappointed with him if he came here. You could say goodbye to the motion offense. And about the other trade, Peja for Artest is already a stretch. It might have happened last year after Peja's MVP type season, but I think it's less likely now. Peja and filler for Artest and Foster is out of the question. Foster is way too important to that team for them to give him up for filler.

Also, I think with Bibby, Peja, and Miller on the floor, the other two guys don't need to play superior offense. If they can keep the ball moving and hit open jumpers when they've got them, we're still one of the top 5 scoring teams in the league.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

How about his wild trade?

Kings get:

Shawn marion

Phoenix gets:

Peja Stojakovic
Brian Skinner

What do you guys thin. It works in GM. Ithink it will be fair for both teams. Shawn Marion gives us the defense we need and rebounding. Peja fits in Phoenix's offense for teh run and gun offense. Brian Skinner will give them another center or a back up center.

If teh Kings could do it, I would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Greg Ostertag]

Phoenix passes on that deal. Marion is a capable 18-20ppg, 9-11rpg player. They have Q and Nash for 3s. They need to improve defensively, not get worse. The Kings do this in a heartbeat as you said, but the Suns pass.

 

[whozit]

I don't think either team does that trade.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I don't think either team does that trade.

Kings would definatly do it!

 

[Bricklayer]

The sad part is that I remember last summer someone coming on here with a Peja/Doug for Marion/Johnson rumor...and people on this side saying no. At this point, I see absolutley no reason for Phoenix to break up its core for just about anyone or anything. 60+ win teams coming off a season when they receive almost every accolade in the book are not the place you can really go when looking to make a trade. We have to prey on the bad teams, the unhappy teams, not the ecstatic teams looking forward to a very bright future.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

I just thought that trade because I heard that marion is unhappy or something.

 

[hrdboild]

The sad part is that I remember last summer someone coming on here with a Peja/Doug for Marion/Johnson rumor...and people on this side saying no. At this point, I see absolutley no reason for Phoenix to break up its core for just about anyone or anything. 60+ win teams coming off a season win they receive almost every accolade in the book are not the place you can really go when looking to make a trade. We have to prey on the bad teams, the unhappy teams, not the ecstatic teams looking forward to a very bright future.

What he said. You've got to find the players before they have their breakout season and snatch 'em up then. Or failing that, at least find a team that's so bad they'll consider trading their good players for expiring contracts or something.

 

[mr. moustache]

Phoenix passes on that deal. Marion is a capable 18-20ppg, 9-11rpg player. They have Q and Nash for 3s. They need to improve defensively, not get worse. The Kings do this in a heartbeat as you said, but the Suns pass.

Over last summer phoenix would have done a Peja+filler for Marion. Not now.

 

[CaminoChaos]

how about this:

trade brad miller and williamson

for

tim thomas(expiring contract)

and next summer make a run at: ben wallace(unristricted), shaq(unristricted), amare stoudimire or yao ming

 

[hrdboild]

An interesting idea. I don't see Shaq or Amare leaving their current teams, and I wouldn't bet the farm on Big Ben or Yao doing so either. Which would leave us without a center.

Every team in the league needs a PG and a C. The other positions are more flexible. I would think long and hard about trading the ones we've got for anybody if we didn't get another PG or C in return.

 

[VF21]

how about this:

trade brad miller and williamson

for

tim thomas(expiring contract)

and next summer make a run at: ben wallace(unristricted), shaq(unristricted), amare stoudimire or yao ming

Sorry, but that idea... well, sucks.

Get rid of Brad Miller AND Corliss Williamson for Tim Thomas? Gag me with a spoon!

As far as making a run at any of those players you've mentioned, just why exactly would their existing teams let them go? Ben Wallace WILL be resigned with the Pistons. You can pretty much take that to the bank. Shaq may not be worth much after next season in relation to the obscene amount he'll demand to keep playing. In addition, I don't see Phoenix or Houston doing anything to make the Kings better...

 

[Bricklayer]

how about this:

trade brad miller and williamson

for

tim thomas(expiring contract)

and next summer make a run at: ben wallace(unristricted), shaq(unristricted), amare stoudimire or yao ming

Way way too risky -- have pointed this out before, but Sacramento is not exactly a free agent mecca, and if the plan fails you have just thrown yourself back toward the lottery and bled off yet more of your rapidly dwindling talent. All of those guys are playing for teams who are doing real well right now, so odds of them leaving are quite low. Brad's good enough that he can be part of a major package GUARANTEED to bring backa star type player rather than gambling everything on a FA free for all.

 

[CaminoChaos]

Sorry, but that idea... well, sucks.

Get rid of Brad Miller AND Corliss Williamson for Tim Thomas? Gag me with a spoon!

As far as making a run at any of those players you've mentioned, just why exactly would their existing teams let them go? Ben Wallace WILL be resigned with the Pistons. You can pretty much take that to the bank. Shaq may not be worth much after next season in relation to the obscene amount he'll demand to keep playing. In addition, I don't see Phoenix or Houston doing anything to make the Kings better...

i'm looking into the future. we did pretty well without miller last year when he was injured. even if we don't get those players losing miller won't kill us and we will have cap room to spend good money on a great free agent. what suck about not being strapped for money. especially with the possibility of having a hard cap purposed in the new CBA.

what suck about that?

 

[Diabeticwonder]

i'm looking into the future. we did pretty well without miller last year when he was injured. even if we don't get those players losing miller won't kill us and we will have cap room to spend good money on a great free agent. what suck about not being strapped for money. especially with the possibility of having a hard cap purposed in the new CBA.

what suck about that?

It's way too speculative and way too risky (too many ways to list)...that's what sucks about it. There was a better shot at Bird, McHale and Parish walking through the door for Rick Pitino when he was coaching the Celtics than there is of your scenario playing itself out. If you don't get my reference to the Bird, McHale and Parish thing then just understand that the chances of that happening are the same as me making the Kings' roster next year to take Cat's place at the 2.

 

[chelle]

Gag me with a spoon!

Like Totally!!

Back to present day! (Thanks for the flashback) I am not for scrapping next season completely and that is what will do if we trade Miller and Williamson for Thomas, or just about anybody outside of KG. I DO NOT want any panic moves. I also do not think the fans base can handle another first round exit or not playoff appearance at all. A team going through normal ups and down coud deal with it. We, however, are not at a normal stage. We are trying to get a new arena. Like it or not, that has to play into the Maloofs and Petrie's decisions about players.