OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)
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I tried to decide where this article belonged. I figured it was best in this thread.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_12972.shtml
CUTTINO MOBLEY: Rumor has it the Kings will not re-sign Cuttino Mobley and in exit interviews anointed Kevin Martin the starting two guard next season. Whether or not the Kings would agree to a sign and trade is unknown, but Cuttino is not expected back – that makes three teams that bailed on Cat in a 10-month period. Doesn’t bode well for a guy looking for an $8 million a year payday. The Denver Nuggets are rumored to be the most interested in Cuttino, so the question becomes can Denver get a deal consummated with Sacramento to obtain Cuttino in a sign and trade. Also don’t be surprised if Cuttino ends up back in Orlando now that new management is in place.
I am not sure that I am sold on K-Mart as our starting 2 guard next season just yet. Who would we trade for Cat with Denver, if we did do a sign and trade? Of course this all is as waste of tread space if we don't resign him. I had already decided that we probably would not sign and trade him.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_12972.shtml
CUTTINO MOBLEY: Rumor has it the Kings will not re-sign Cuttino Mobley and in exit interviews anointed Kevin Martin the starting two guard next season. Whether or not the Kings would agree to a sign and trade is unknown, but Cuttino is not expected back – that makes three teams that bailed on Cat in a 10-month period. Doesn’t bode well for a guy looking for an $8 million a year payday. The Denver Nuggets are rumored to be the most interested in Cuttino, so the question becomes can Denver get a deal consummated with Sacramento to obtain Cuttino in a sign and trade. Also don’t be surprised if Cuttino ends up back in Orlando now that new management is in place.
I am not sure that I am sold on K-Mart as our starting 2 guard next season just yet. Who would we trade for Cat with Denver, if we did do a sign and trade? Of course this all is as waste of tread space if we don't resign him. I had already decided that we probably would not sign and trade him.
I would rather have Mo Evans start at the 2 but if Kevin Martin was anointed the starting SG I think that would be awesome too.
If Denver really wants Cat though I guess it would have to be a sign and trade. Maybe we could possibly get Nene out of the deal???
If not I would take Dermarr Johnson, Najera, + filler for him.
If Denver really wants Cat though I guess it would have to be a sign and trade. Maybe we could possibly get Nene out of the deal???
If not I would take Dermarr Johnson, Najera, + filler for him.
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Bobby Jackson
A Future 1 pick
for
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Carlos Delfino
6-6 SG from Argentina
3.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 15.3 minutes
Detriot could be sick of his(Wallace) individual play in the playoffs that he might get traded if they lose to Miami. They also get rid of Delfino who wanted out of Detriot anyways and was not even on the playoff roster. What they get in return is a player who knows there system in Corliss and adds depth and post play for them. They also get Skinner who is Ben Walace light and can add depth. They also get what they really need a backup guard who can defend Bobby Jackson. Another angle is that they would get rid of the contracts faster than getting stuck with Wallace and Delfino. More cap flexibility is a plus
What the Kings get is a PF who can defend, rebound and block shots for us and we get Delfino who could turn out to be a good player.
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Bobby Jackson
A Future 1 pick
for
Rasheed Wallace
6-11 PF from North Carolina
14.5 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg in 34.0 minutes
Carlos Delfino
6-6 SG from Argentina
3.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 15.3 minutes
Detriot could be sick of his(Wallace) individual play in the playoffs that he might get traded if they lose to Miami. They also get rid of Delfino who wanted out of Detriot anyways and was not even on the playoff roster. What they get in return is a player who knows there system in Corliss and adds depth and post play for them. They also get Skinner who is Ben Walace light and can add depth. They also get what they really need a backup guard who can defend Bobby Jackson. Another angle is that they would get rid of the contracts faster than getting stuck with Wallace and Delfino. More cap flexibility is a plus
What the Kings get is a PF who can defend, rebound and block shots for us and we get Delfino who could turn out to be a good player.
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I don't think the Pistons will part with Wallace so soon. He made them into a contender and a championship team last year, and they are one win away from making it back to the finals this year. By trading him, they are taking two steps back, especially for the players you think we should offer them. Wallace gives them a legitimate low post presence who can also shoot the three ball, plus a good weak side shot blocker. Although Skinner could also thrive in that role for them, he obviously does not offer the offensive ability Rasheed does. Delfino is on the outs with Detroit, and I wouldn't mind looking into him. Some say he may be even better than Ginobli, and given a chance he may turn into that.
People really have to quit accusing Sheed of being able to rebound. He's been in the league 10 years now, and this year's modest 8.2 is the best he's ever done. Most years he's the Peja of PFs. In any case, he's a guy who could help us up front with his defense, attitude, post play etc., but he's getting a little long in the tooth. He'll be 31 before next season starts. Given what you propose giving up (I also doubt the Pistons would take the offer, but who knows, Bobby would be a beautiful fit) I suspose his age is not that big a deal. But it does mean that the move would have to be made for right now, because in 2 or 3 years you are looking for a new PF again.
As an aside, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, its really too bad we didn't pursue Sheed ourselves when he was available for nothing mid-year last year. Dumars definitely showed more guts than Geoff/the Maloofs on that one, and it paid off big time (not that I would have pursued the headcase myself).
As an aside, looking back with 20/20 hindsight, its really too bad we didn't pursue Sheed ourselves when he was available for nothing mid-year last year. Dumars definitely showed more guts than Geoff/the Maloofs on that one, and it paid off big time (not that I would have pursued the headcase myself).
the kings are in desperate need for an athletic big man... Kwame Brown is very talented, but has been a head case in washington... but he is still only 23 years old and has alot of maturing to do... a trade to another team may wake this kid up ... he reminds me a lot of a very very young jermaine o'neal... and jermaine o'neal didn't start to blossom until he was traded to indiana from portland...
i think that kwame brown can be had for kenny thomas and maybe a draft pick... i think he is worth the risk, i would take a chance on him now... you are never going to be able to get an athletic 6'11" 250lbs player for as cheap as you can get kwame brown right now... and rick adelman has a history of getting the most out of his players, especially offensively...
i think that kwame brown can be had for kenny thomas and maybe a draft pick... i think he is worth the risk, i would take a chance on him now... you are never going to be able to get an athletic 6'11" 250lbs player for as cheap as you can get kwame brown right now... and rick adelman has a history of getting the most out of his players, especially offensively...
The thing with Jermaine O'neal is that he was on a very good Portland team contending for the title. They were the deepest team in the league and didn't have any playing time for a young player like O'Neal. Kwame on the other hand has been given every chance to suceed in Washington. Washington has been a pretty bad team the past few years, and although Kwame has shown glimpses of what he could be, he still has fallen short even though he has been presented opportunites.
So basically, if you're going to sign/trade for Kwame Brown, are you doing it because of the player he is now or the player he might be? I like the guy's potential, just about everyone does, but I'd be wary of committing to a guy to be a significant part of the team for several years unless you know what you're getting. In that respect, he represents a pretty big risk. I don't think I'd take that chance.
I'm far from sold on Kwame, but we're in classic nothing risked nothing gained territory right now. If we're sure of a player, so is the other team in all liklihood, and we're stuck shuffling solid middling players for other solid middling players. We really need to find a hidden or undervalued gem somewhere if we're going to regain our talent base.
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Hey there - Pacers Fan and PacersDigest man here. First post, blah blah blah.
In an effort to get a little cross-team dialogue going, VF posted this trade scenario on the PacersDigest forum. (Took a while to get my account approved for posting, so I apologize for the delay.) I think my favorite quote of the many replies went something like this: "The Kings only get to rape us once."
To which I can only add "after that, it will cost them."
Sometimes when you know a team inside and out, you see value in players that might not necessary have value elsewhere in the league. Example: Fred Jones. Pacers guys love him and think he's a major bargaining chip or untouchable for trades (depending on who you ask) Outside of Pacer land, nobody could really give two shakes about the guy.
I think something like that may be happening when you assess the Kings players in this trade scenario. You see value where perhaps there is not much value. Handing you a talented/bargain/nutcase for two guys who play the position of our franchise player (who has made multiple public statements about not wanting to move to center) doesn't make sense. At least from a Pacers fan's point of view.
For what it's worth, I think there are several fans that would love to hand you Artest, but only if it means that Brad will come home. Others would love to see Bibby in Pacers blue and gold.
Again, you can have Artest, but baby, you only get one all-star for free from us. After that, it will cost you.
In an effort to get a little cross-team dialogue going, VF posted this trade scenario on the PacersDigest forum. (Took a while to get my account approved for posting, so I apologize for the delay.) I think my favorite quote of the many replies went something like this: "The Kings only get to rape us once."
To which I can only add "after that, it will cost them." Sometimes when you know a team inside and out, you see value in players that might not necessary have value elsewhere in the league. Example: Fred Jones. Pacers guys love him and think he's a major bargaining chip or untouchable for trades (depending on who you ask) Outside of Pacer land, nobody could really give two shakes about the guy.
I think something like that may be happening when you assess the Kings players in this trade scenario. You see value where perhaps there is not much value. Handing you a talented/bargain/nutcase for two guys who play the position of our franchise player (who has made multiple public statements about not wanting to move to center) doesn't make sense. At least from a Pacers fan's point of view.
For what it's worth, I think there are several fans that would love to hand you Artest, but only if it means that Brad will come home. Others would love to see Bibby in Pacers blue and gold.
Again, you can have Artest, but baby, you only get one all-star for free from us. After that, it will cost you.