Circa_1985_Fan
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Steven Hunter?? Um..why would we want that guy?AriesMar27 said:
Nene
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Bricklayer
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Circa_1985_Fan said:
He's long, athletic, can block shots. I can see his obvious uses for us, without knowing exactly why Aries is so enthusiastic for him.
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AriesMar27
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hes a relatively cheap, attainable, obscenely athletic back up center that id rather see on our team than any of the other fa out there that we could afford.....
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Circa_1985_Fan said:
I am with you in this very tiny boat.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:
He is long, athletic, and makes Kevin Martin look like a bodybuilder. He gets pushed around quite a bit.
Bricklayer
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SacTownKid said:
As opposed to our studs inside? 1.3 blocks in 13min is a pretty eye-opening stat. Opposing players are very aware of him when he's on the court, which can be said about precious few of our current alleged big men. I certainly don't consider him an offseaosn plan in and of himself, but he could help.
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AriesMar27
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we could do alot worse.... or shorter in our case.... getting hunter and trading for nene would make this team a hell of a lot better... and taller....
I'm not sure how likely any of these deals are, but summer moves of:
Cat for Nene/Lenard
S&T or MLE for Rahim
Peja and change for Pierce
Hunter for the MLE (if not used on Reef)
would make me very happy.
Pierce could move to the backcourt with Bibby, letting Rahim move back to the 3 with Miller and Nene upfront. A big, talented lineup and most likely enough pieces left to form a pretty good bench.
Cat for Nene/Lenard
S&T or MLE for Rahim
Peja and change for Pierce
Hunter for the MLE (if not used on Reef)
would make me very happy.
Pierce could move to the backcourt with Bibby, letting Rahim move back to the 3 with Miller and Nene upfront. A big, talented lineup and most likely enough pieces left to form a pretty good bench.
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slugking50
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nuggets/article/0,1299,DRMN_20_3909137,00.html
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Kings eye Nuggets' Nene
Vandeweghe claims he is not interested in trading forward
By Chris Tomasson, Rocky Mountain News
July 7, 2005
LAS VEGAS - The Sacramento Kings have an interest in Nene. The Denver Nuggets might tell them no no. Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe would not comment directly on a possible sign-and-trade deal with the Kings for shooting guard Cuttino Mobley. But he did say Wednesday he is not shopping the power forward.
I am not looking to trade Nene," Vandeweghe said. "I like him. I view him as one of our core guys."
The Nuggets have had discussions about possibly acquiring Mobley, a free agent after opting out of a contract last week that would have paid him $6.4 million next season.
Nuggets coach George Karl said it is no surprise the Kings want Nene, who will make $3.04 million next season and would have to be combined with another player in a possible sign-and-trade with Sacramento because of Denver's lack of salary-cap room.
"Mobley, Nene. That's an interesting call," Karl said. "But my thing is we did a pretty good job (last season) of figuring out the two position, so let's not go crazy (about looking to deal)."
The Nuggets want to re-sign shooting guard Greg Buckner. And Karl has indicated a desire to retain shooting guard Voshon Lenard, whose contract can be bought out by July 14.
"We have to be patient," Mobley's agent, Andy Miller, said of any possible deal.
Michael Coyne, Nene's agent, is not surprised Vandeweghe is reluctant to deal his client.
"That's consistent to what he's expressed to me and Nene," Coyne said.
If Nene does not sign a contract extension in the off-season, he will be a restricted free agent next summer.
Vandeweghe, who already has post players Marcus Camby and Kenyon Martin with big contracts, sees no problem with Nene also perhaps getting a big deal from the Nuggets.
"You look at the Detroit model," Vandeweghe said. "They've got Rasheed (Wallace) and Ben (Wallace) and (Antonio) McDyess (rotating in the post). . . . I view (Nene) as a starter."
Nene lost his starting power forward job last season to Martin. Coyne said Nene "wants to start," but he came "to grips" late last season with being a reserve. "It will depend on a lot of variables," Coyne said of Nene being with Denver long term. "How much they want to spend on all three players (being one)."
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Kings eye Nuggets' Nene
Vandeweghe claims he is not interested in trading forward
By Chris Tomasson, Rocky Mountain News
July 7, 2005
LAS VEGAS - The Sacramento Kings have an interest in Nene. The Denver Nuggets might tell them no no. Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe would not comment directly on a possible sign-and-trade deal with the Kings for shooting guard Cuttino Mobley. But he did say Wednesday he is not shopping the power forward.
I am not looking to trade Nene," Vandeweghe said. "I like him. I view him as one of our core guys."
The Nuggets have had discussions about possibly acquiring Mobley, a free agent after opting out of a contract last week that would have paid him $6.4 million next season.
Nuggets coach George Karl said it is no surprise the Kings want Nene, who will make $3.04 million next season and would have to be combined with another player in a possible sign-and-trade with Sacramento because of Denver's lack of salary-cap room.
"Mobley, Nene. That's an interesting call," Karl said. "But my thing is we did a pretty good job (last season) of figuring out the two position, so let's not go crazy (about looking to deal)."
The Nuggets want to re-sign shooting guard Greg Buckner. And Karl has indicated a desire to retain shooting guard Voshon Lenard, whose contract can be bought out by July 14.
"We have to be patient," Mobley's agent, Andy Miller, said of any possible deal.
Michael Coyne, Nene's agent, is not surprised Vandeweghe is reluctant to deal his client.
"That's consistent to what he's expressed to me and Nene," Coyne said.
If Nene does not sign a contract extension in the off-season, he will be a restricted free agent next summer.
Vandeweghe, who already has post players Marcus Camby and Kenyon Martin with big contracts, sees no problem with Nene also perhaps getting a big deal from the Nuggets.
"You look at the Detroit model," Vandeweghe said. "They've got Rasheed (Wallace) and Ben (Wallace) and (Antonio) McDyess (rotating in the post). . . . I view (Nene) as a starter."
Nene lost his starting power forward job last season to Martin. Coyne said Nene "wants to start," but he came "to grips" late last season with being a reserve. "It will depend on a lot of variables," Coyne said of Nene being with Denver long term. "How much they want to spend on all three players (being one)."
FrenchCanadianKING
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Yoda said:as long as they dont pretend it is the 4th quarter.
exactly lol! as long as its not an in-game situation and only a few people are around...
Peja would would beat him...
hey, no pressure! what do u expect?
nbrans
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slugking50 said:
Wow, this article actually gives me hope. What a classic non-denial denial.
"I am not looking to trade Nene."
Translation: But if the right offer is placed on my desk I won't have to look!
"I like him."
Translation: He's a nice guy. Did you know that I happen to have two power forwards signed for a total of $120 million through 2010?
"I view him as one of our core guys."
Translation: Notice how I didn't say "He's one of our core guys." Because, you know, I could be wrong...
"You look at the Detroit model, they've got Rasheed (Wallace) and Ben (Wallace) and (Antonio) McDyess (rotating in the post). . . . I view (Nene) as a starter."
Translation: I view Nene as a starter. ON ANOTHER TEAM.
mr. moustache
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Why would they offer a 1st? I personally feel we'll have to offer a 1st + Mobley to get Nene. We'd be trading 30yrs and small for 22years and big. By the books, that's a stupid trade for Denver.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
mr. moustache said:
Yeah, we'll definitely be the ones having to do the sweetening if any is involved, whether it be taking back bad contracts or whatever.
Anyway, with all of the stories, comments from Denver's GM etc. its clear that we are actually talking to them, so I've got my fingers crossed. Going to be a tough sell though.
Yoda
Bench
This mornings ESPN Insider Rumor, repeats the above a bit.
King Nene?
<Jul. 7> Apparently the Nuggets don't like the sound of that. Sacramento has shown interest in Nene and there have been rumblings about a sign-and-trade scenario involving him and Kings free agent guard Cuttino Mobley. But Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said he is not shopping his power forward, the Rocky Mountain News reports.
"I am not looking to trade Nene," Vandeweghe said. "I like him. I view him as one of our core guys."
King Nene?
<Jul. 7> Apparently the Nuggets don't like the sound of that. Sacramento has shown interest in Nene and there have been rumblings about a sign-and-trade scenario involving him and Kings free agent guard Cuttino Mobley. But Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said he is not shopping his power forward, the Rocky Mountain News reports.
"I am not looking to trade Nene," Vandeweghe said. "I like him. I view him as one of our core guys."
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Yoda said:
Shopping someone and fielding offers for someone are two entirely different things. I haven't listed my Ford Explorer as for sale, but if someone were to make me an offer that I liked I for sure would sell it.
FrenchCanadianKING
G-League
This deal makes too much sense to happen...
If its too equal or everything is too perfect, teams won't pull the trigger.
If its too equal or everything is too perfect, teams won't pull the trigger.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Warhawk said:
Well, that stuff about Geoff working in secret is true, but its not he who is springing the leaks here. Unless he's got some principle thing where he WON'T make a deal because the media gets wind of it, we're hearing the normal silence fom him, and getting all our info from Cat's agent and an apparently sieve-like Denver front office. It seems clear though that we have actualyl talked to them and asked about Nene -- not just speculation that we should, but that Geoff has already asked. So I am at least encouraged there, even if I have my doubts denver will ultimately do it.
iheartBrad
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You should hear what Nuggets fans think about the whole situation...its quite comical...they definetly don't want to hear it...
BTW--I'm with Aries on the whole Steven Hunter thing...I don't think he'd be as horrible as some people would think
BTW--I'm with Aries on the whole Steven Hunter thing...I don't think he'd be as horrible as some people would think
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
iheartBrad said:
Nor would I, of course. Its breaking those cardinal trading no nos once again -- old for young, small for big.
Its the same way we originally built the franchise 7 years ago (although I obviously do not think either player is as good as those involved in the Mitch/Webb deal).
My hope remains that we can talk past that with Denver management as opposed to theor fans because of the economic reality that Nene is going to want more than they can pay him, and maybe they need to get what they can while they can.
ForlornKing
Starter
hrdboild said:
Exactly. I think that if a third team were involved, it would make the chances of us acquiring Nene extremely higher. Just like the Brad Miller deal.
nbrans
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A third team might be involved when it's all said and done, although my impression is that the third team (the Spurs) were involved in the Miller deal not so much to sweeten the pot but to make the salaries match up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Kings needed to unload the salary equivalent of what they were going to pay Brad Miller, since he was going to make more than Pollard, the principal player Indiana received from the Kings. At the time the Spurs were under the cap and so they basically absorbed Hedo's contract, while sending Danny Ferry to the Pacers for Ron Mercer. I'm not sure if Danny Ferry is exactly what you'd call a pot-sweetener.
In the case of the hypothetical Cuttino/Nene deal it's actually the Nuggets who are going to have to figure out how to absorb the extra cost of a resigned Cuttino, since at the present time Nene makes far less than what the Nuggets would pay Cuttino (which is why Lenard is thought to be involved). If the Kings "sweetened the pot" with anything other than draft picks, it means the Nuggets are going to have to unload the equivalent of that player's salary to either the Kings or another team under the cap.
So basically, in this case I'd say the involvement of another team is unlikely.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
In the case of the hypothetical Cuttino/Nene deal it's actually the Nuggets who are going to have to figure out how to absorb the extra cost of a resigned Cuttino, since at the present time Nene makes far less than what the Nuggets would pay Cuttino (which is why Lenard is thought to be involved). If the Kings "sweetened the pot" with anything other than draft picks, it means the Nuggets are going to have to unload the equivalent of that player's salary to either the Kings or another team under the cap.
So basically, in this case I'd say the involvement of another team is unlikely.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
thedofd
Bench
alternative scenario
How about doing Mobley and a No. 1 (do the Kings really want to be locked into another rookie salary anyhow?) to Denver for Nene and Voshon? Then offer the mid-level exception to Antonio Daniels. He's a 1-2 who could play with either Bibby or Bobby. He's not the scorer that Cuttino is, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Daniels had the best assist-to-turnover ratio in the league 2 years ago, plays defense, and scores enough to keep defenses honest.
Songaila and Evans would be goners in that scenario, but the bottom line is that the Kings would be improved at 3 positions (power forward, with Nene backed up by K. Thomas and Skinner), (center, with Nene seeing some minutes behind Brad), and two guard (I'd argue that Daniels would work out better than Cuttino, with Garcia, Martin and BoJax providing lots of of depth and different looks).
Depth chart:
C--Miller, Nene, Skinner, Ostertag
PF--Nene, Kenny Thomas, Skinner, Williamson
SF--Stojakovic, Williamson, K. Martin, F. Garcia
SG--Daniels, B. Jackson, F. Garcia, K. Martin
PG--Bibby, B. Jackson, Daniels
How about doing Mobley and a No. 1 (do the Kings really want to be locked into another rookie salary anyhow?) to Denver for Nene and Voshon? Then offer the mid-level exception to Antonio Daniels. He's a 1-2 who could play with either Bibby or Bobby. He's not the scorer that Cuttino is, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Daniels had the best assist-to-turnover ratio in the league 2 years ago, plays defense, and scores enough to keep defenses honest.
Songaila and Evans would be goners in that scenario, but the bottom line is that the Kings would be improved at 3 positions (power forward, with Nene backed up by K. Thomas and Skinner), (center, with Nene seeing some minutes behind Brad), and two guard (I'd argue that Daniels would work out better than Cuttino, with Garcia, Martin and BoJax providing lots of of depth and different looks).
Depth chart:
C--Miller, Nene, Skinner, Ostertag
PF--Nene, Kenny Thomas, Skinner, Williamson
SF--Stojakovic, Williamson, K. Martin, F. Garcia
SG--Daniels, B. Jackson, F. Garcia, K. Martin
PG--Bibby, B. Jackson, Daniels
thedofd
Bench
Daniels
Daniels is a swing guard at 6-foot-4. These days, that's a bit small for a shooting guard, but he's not exactly a dwarf. In the Kings' system, where the 2 guard handles a lot and frequently initiates the offense (and the point guard is really more of a shooter), would you rather have a bigger, unproven kid or someone who's a bit smaller and more skilled? Ballhandling and perimeter defense are big issues with the Kings, and I think Daniels can help address them.
In looking down the list of potential 2 guards that might be available for the MLE, there aren't a lot of tremendous options, so the Kings might have to be a bit creative. If they can get Michael Finley or Bobby Simmons, great. If not, Daniels is a very legitimate alternative.
Yoda said:
Daniels is a swing guard at 6-foot-4. These days, that's a bit small for a shooting guard, but he's not exactly a dwarf. In the Kings' system, where the 2 guard handles a lot and frequently initiates the offense (and the point guard is really more of a shooter), would you rather have a bigger, unproven kid or someone who's a bit smaller and more skilled? Ballhandling and perimeter defense are big issues with the Kings, and I think Daniels can help address them.
In looking down the list of potential 2 guards that might be available for the MLE, there aren't a lot of tremendous options, so the Kings might have to be a bit creative. If they can get Michael Finley or Bobby Simmons, great. If not, Daniels is a very legitimate alternative.
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