Nene

I don't think Denver makes that trade either, but at the same time, Sac should hold out for Nene. If they can't get Nene, than just let Mobley walk. We don't need Najera or Lenard on our payroll. They're fine as a throw-in, but other than that, no.
 
NugzFan said:
its not because we dont need to give up nene. we can keep him and still get mobley or if not, another SG. if mobley was in the allen/redd/johnson/hughes tier then there might be something to it. but hes not. and the market is flooded with decent SGs. big men have more value.

how many SG's besides who you mentioned can top mobley. Mobley is more than a decent SG.
 
Diabeticwonder said:
Miller would not discuss other teams that are interested, but the Los Angeles Clippers reportedly are one of them.

What did I tell you? Petrie's got Brand all lined up. :D

But seriously, I'd be thrilled with Nene. Not only get something in return for Mobley, but get someone who can really help us.

If Lenard is included in the deal we would have a glut of SGs, I hope the kids would still see playing time.
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I do believe the Nuggets will be balking at Nene, and you have to ask how much better is Cat than the best guy they could get through other (non-Nene) means. But a couple of things:


1) Can the Nuggets keep Nene happy and afford him after next season? Obviously their fans would like to keep him, as would I in their shoes -- part of what makes people think of them as dangerous is their deep and talented frontcourt. But if he's not happy coming off the bench (and he's not) and he expects to be paid like a starter/major payer (and he does) Denver might be forced to do something with him no matter how much they like him. Not as simple as "we want to keep Nene". Obviously they do, but may not be practical to keep him and so they use him to patch their OG hole with an established starter rather than have a guy not happy about not starting angling for more money than they can pay him.

-- flipside of that argument is if they can hold onto him for another couple of years, sooner or later Camby will be getting old and you slide Nene in there, But hard to sell a kid on that sort of timetable.

2) if they are reluctant, we might be able to coax them into it but taking Nene, Lenard AND Najera, and trading them back a piece along with Mobley. An ending contract such as Tag to give them cap room (Najera has a big/long contract) or maybe a post guy such as Corliss or something to help replace the loss of Nene. And of course there are always picks.

Anyway, unless they are 100% sure of Nene's spot with thie future team and have a plan on how he's going to end up starting for them in the fairly immediate future, it might be doable.
 
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Mobley for Nene and Leonard is a steal. I'm sure Denver can get a future 1st out of it. In that case it's about a wash. They'd prefer Nene of 2 years ago, a young backup, but a future 1st and a starting OG is reasonable.



Bricklayer said:
I do beleive the Nuggets will be balking at Nene, and ou have to ask how much better is Cat than the best guy they could get through other (non-Nene) means. But a couple of things:


1) Can the Nuggets keep Nene happy and afford him after next season? Obviously their fans would like to keep him, as would I in their shoes -- part opf what makes people think of them as dangerous is their deep and talented frontcourt. But if he's nto happy coming off the bench (and he's not) and he expectst o be paid like a starter/major payer (and he does) Denver might be forced to do something with him no matter how much they like him. Not as simple as "we want to keep Nene". Obviously, but may not be practical to keep him and so they use him to patch their OG hole with an established starter rather than have a guy not happy about not starting angling for more money than they can pay him.

-- flipside of that argument is if they can hood onto him for another couple of years, soone r or later Camby will be getting old and you slide him in there, But hard to sell a kid on that sort of timetable.

2) if they are reluctant, we might be able to coax them into it but taking Nene, Lenard AND Najera, and trading them back a piece along with Mobley. An ending contract such as Tag to give them cap room (Najera has a big/long contract) or maybe a post guy such as Corliss or something to help replace the loss of Nene. And of course there are always picks.

Anyway, unless they are 100% sure of Nene's spot with thie future team and have a plan on how he's going to end up starting for them in the fairly immediate future, it might be doable.
 
i don't see why they wouldn't trade nene, they just signed kenyon martin last year and now all nene does is sit, so why not fill up a needed spot by trading your sixth man?
 
I want nene just like everybody else. but then we have skinner, corliss, thomas and nene. we should move corliss and or thomas for something else as well.
 
I agree with Sauce... Nene is pretty much the same type of players we have in Corliss, Skinner and Thomas. He is no offensive threat for sure. His defense according to his numbers don't say much for his avg min. He avg's 5 rb's a game. Thats not going to turn us around.

Nene will not make us a WCF contender.

With all this said, I am sure there are unspoken stats and to be honest I have never watched him play a game. I am only going by stats so take my opinion with a grain. His stats don't impress. If those are starter stat numbers then maybe I am missing something. A good backup for sure, maybe to Brad or the future PF Rahim. Othewise he isn't going to change anything here.
 
BigWaxer said:
I agree with Sauce... Nene is pretty much the same type of players we have in Corliss, Skinner and Thomas. He is no offensive threat for sure. His defense according to his numbers don't say much for his avg min. He avg's 5 rb's a game. Thats not going to turn us around.

Nene will not make us a WCF contender.

With all this said, I am sure there are unspoken stats and to be honest I have never watched him play a game. I am only going by stats so take my opinion with a grain. His stats don't impress. If those are starter stat numbers then maybe I am missing something. A good backup for sure, maybe to Brad or the future PF Rahim. Othewise he isn't going to change anything here.

Mmm..actually he is a CONSIDERABLE offensive threat. That is really why he's a commodity many teams are interested in. Big kid with a significant post game -- good enough that he may well be able to be a goto type post player in the future. As for the rest, the rebounding and shotblocking picked up considerably this year. Mentioned before that given Brad's minutes you are talking about 15pts 9rebs maybe 1.5blks, and that's as a 22 yr old kid.

MUCH bigger than any of our other guys. With only Skinner even close. And scores from in close, as opposed to shooting jumpers. Thing that really intrigues me though is the times this season when I saw him slickly avoid a guard in the open court with a wraparound dribble, or hit somebody on the interior with a nice bounce pass. I'm impressed with his potential in our system with his ball skills.
 
BigWaxer said:
I agree with Sauce... Nene is pretty much the same type of players we have in Corliss, Skinner and Thomas. He is no offensive threat for sure. His defense according to his numbers don't say much for his avg min. He avg's 5 rb's a game. Thats not going to turn us around.

Nene will not make us a WCF contender.

With all this said, I am sure there are unspoken stats and to be honest I have never watched him play a game. I am only going by stats so take my opinion with a grain. His stats don't impress. If those are starter stat numbers then maybe I am missing something. A good backup for sure, maybe to Brad or the future PF Rahim. Othewise he isn't going to change anything here.

there are few players in the nba that the kings could acquire, short of kevin garnett, who could make the kings any kind of contender. nene, at his price, with his youth and potential, would be a decent start, imo. maybe a starter, and maybe not. at any rate, nene is not the be-all and end-all of the kings off season concerns. if the kings could pull it off, i think that would be great. afterwards, whattya think, is geoff petrie just gonna call it an offseason? the kings are so disjointed and unbalanced as a team right now that several moves HAVE to be made in order to make this team a contender again. like i said, short of a kevin garnett, there's no way the kings become a contender in a single off-season transaction. GP is under the pressure as of 5 days ago, and we'll see if he (once again) is able to show us why he's so valued as the kings general manager. i mean, this is the same guy that drafted jason williams, signed vlade divac, and traded for chris webber, all within the same offseason.
 
BigWaxer said:
I agree with Sauce... Nene is pretty much the same type of players we have in Corliss, Skinner and Thomas. He is no offensive threat for sure. His defense according to his numbers don't say much for his avg min. He avg's 5 rb's a game. Thats not going to turn us around.

Nene will not make us a WCF contender. QUOTE]

i don't think we can get 1 player in our current situation to make us a contender. but he is a solid piece to add and an upgrade. apart from skinner's great run last year, i don't really consider him and corliss on the same level as nene - and thats not even considering their ages yet!
 
From a Nuggets fan on RealGM:

"When Marcus Camby was injured for like 7 games in January, Nene got to take his place and play 30 minutes per night......and his stats during that time were.....

18ppg 9rpg 3apg 2bpg 2spg "

Sounds pretty good to me. And if Denver fans think they're going to get the Kings to agree to Najera and Lenard for Mobley, boy I sure hope our team proves them wrong. I would hate to see us help the Nuggets get their man without us getting anything worthwhile in return.
 
hrdboild said:
From a Nuggets fan on RealGM:

"When Marcus Camby was injured for like 7 games in January, Nene got to take his place and play 30 minutes per night......and his stats during that time were.....

18ppg 9rpg 3apg 2bpg 2spg "

Sounds pretty good to me. And if Denver fans think they're going to get the Kings to agree to Najera and Lenard for Mobley, boy I sure hope our team proves them wrong. I would hate to see us help the Nuggets get their man without us getting anything worthwhile in return.

I am NOT a Najera fan...I know he's a tough, hard worker and maybe I'd feel different about him if he were on the Kings, but that guy seriously bugs me. I guess he is the type of role-player we need, but I'd rather it be just about anyone else. He's a flopper...I want real defense on this team, not whiny, fake defense. We've had enough of that already.
 
hrdboild said:
From a Nuggets fan on RealGM:

"When Marcus Camby was injured for like 7 games in January, Nene got to take his place and play 30 minutes per night......and his stats during that time were.....

18ppg 9rpg 3apg 2bpg 2spg "

Sounds pretty good to me. And if Denver fans think they're going to get the Kings to agree to Najera and Lenard for Mobley, boy I sure hope our team proves them wrong. I would hate to see us help the Nuggets get their man without us getting anything worthwhile in return.

Nene averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds in 18 games (29 minutes per game) as a starter last season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?statsId=3605
 
A couple lines stand out:

By Opponent___G MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
vs. LA Clippers__1 42.0 7.0-14.0 .500 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-7.0 .857 3.00 3.00 1.0 2.0 3.0 10.0 13.0 4.0 20.0
vs. Toronto____1 40.0 9.0-10.0 .900 0.0-0.0 .000 3.0-5.0 .600 4.00 3.00 5.0 3.0 3.0 3.0 6.0 1.0 21.0

Yeah it's two games, but those are star numbers right there.
 
The nene trade is the best trade available for us right now. We gotta do the trade. I'm not saying its the best trade we could do, but it makes a lot of sense right now. The nugs need the sg and we need big men, so why not do it. Right now, I'm not even worried about his stats, but the stats that brick brings up are very interesting. He seems like he has a lot of upside and at 22, we can't pass this trade up. Also, those stats of him filling in for camby are very interesting as well. I think if veshon is throwen into the deal, then we will have more sg's then we need and I think one of them will be thrwon into another trade either down the road or even this summer as a lot of changes are set to occur. I think that either kevin martin or veshon would go and garcia would stay as he seems like more of a future 2 guard in the nba, imho. It should be a very interesting offseason nontheless.
 
Grant&Lamb had the two basketball reporters from the respective Denver papers on their show. Tomasson the reporter from the Rocky Mountain News, the guy who wrote the initial article seemed to think that Nene would be traded. He said that the Mobley/Nene-Leonard trade is possible.

Basically, he said Nene wants to start and would not accept a bench role. Also, he said the Nuggets are financially committed in the long term to Martin and Camby. Furthermore, the Nuggets really like Francisco Elson coming off the bench. Also, he said that the Nuggets do not want to lose Nene for nothing at the end of the season because they are not going to pay him what he will "probably" be worth. He siad the Nuggets more than likely do something before July 14th which is the last day they can waive Leonard.
 
do any other teams have an sg to offer that is as capable as mobley? and if not, does that mean we are the front runners for this deal?
 
cat for nene and whoever would be a good deal for the kings IMO. while nene won't be the difference maker, he'd still be a step in the right direction.

i'd much rather get nene then SAR.
 
well he's not a king yet. in fact, he's far from it. nothing has been negotiated. his name has simply popped up in possible trade scenarios with denver. there's a possibility that it could happen, but as of right now, its just another trade rumor (thoogh one with a little weight to it).
 
hrdboild said:
And if Denver fans think they're going to get the Kings to agree to Najera and Lenard for Mobley, boy I sure hope our team proves them wrong. I would hate to see us help the Nuggets get their man without us getting anything worthwhile in return.

If the deal doesn't make sense for the Kings, they won't pull the trigger. Petrie is patient, he can wait it out until August or September if that's what he has to do to get Nene in the deal.
 
Kev.in said:
If the deal doesn't make sense for the Kings, they won't pull the trigger. Petrie is patient, he can wait it out until August or September if that's what he has to do to get Nene in the deal.

thing is, mobley probably won't wait that long.
 
I wish we could get NeNe and a 1st rounder for Mobley instead of another contract.

Also by comparison of Kenny Thomas and how his numbers increased when he came to the kings. I have figured the difference of the stats and came up with a statline of NeNe averaging just 30 min with the Kings.

15.8pts 9.4reb 3.2ast 1.5blk 1.2stl and he shot 50% and 66% from the line
 
i care more about the kings getting rid of thomas and corliss than a mobley/nene trade......

that and signing steven hunter....
 
I, unlike most other people on this board, DONT want to get rid of Kenny Thomas, I think he's great fit to this team in great capacities, he needs to be moved to the SF position. Anyways,, about the Nene trade...well, since this is being talked about so much in the media, by fans, etc.....it probably wont happen. Thats not Petrie's style. Period. Any disagreeances??
 
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