Need for a defensive wing - realistic targets?

[KingsFanGER]

If all your expecting out of Smart is to guard someone, then fine, but there are a lot of players that can guard, but can't score, and some of them can be acquired more cheaply. Smart is a terrible shooter who is only shooting 20% from the three, and around 34% overall. He can't get to the basket the same way he did in college. His poor shooting might be something you could live with if he realized that he's not a good shot, but no, he takes around 4 three point shots a game and makes less than one. He takes around 10 shots overall and makes less than three. Right now he's a one dimensional player. I didn't like Smart in college, and I still don't like him.

Trust me, if you add Smart to the team, it wouldn't take long before everyone on this forum was calling for his head for jacking up shots at critical points in the game and missing. Rondo knows he's not a great shooter, so he picks his spots, usually when the clock is running down. But Smart is brainless and will jack up a three whenever it pleases him. Don't want him on our team. Sorry I'm so late responding to this post. Been busy having cervesa's on the beach.

We have to disagree here. But first let me say, that I don't follow College basketball. My own assessement of Smart is based solely on his games for the Celtics.
Now I don't think there are many players, that play defense the way Smart does. He is an absolute game changer on the defensive end. Most of it comes with his body type. He has the same advantage DMC has - a extremely strong core and base. At 6'4 you can watch him guard Sg/Sf's up to 6'9 or 6'10 ( Mirotic f.e. in yesterdays game) and those guys are unable to move him, while he harasses them all the time.
And he is communicating on D, is able to lead a defensive unit and is a great team defender.
So from my point of view he is not just a guy able to guard. He is one of the very few elite perimeter defenders, able to guard multiple positions.
He is a player you can effectively built a defense around, that aggressively switches pick&rolls.
Now he is not a good shooter. Noone is going to argue that. But given the small amount of shots our starting 2 guard gets, this eventually wouldn't outweigh his defensive impact. He is a solid playmaker and lately has started to post people up.
His shot selection for me seems to be a direct result of Brad Stevens system. Stevens wants everyone to shoot the 3 when open. Guys completely unable to shoot don't get playing time (see Zeller, Lee). In a system built around Dmc and Gay I wouldn't expect Smart to be a volume shooter and since his shooting form is not as broken as Rondo's, I would expect him to improve over time.
But let's be honest - talking about Smart is nearly pointless, because the Celtics are not dumb enough to part ways with him.
More likely they won't resign Turner and give Smart more time with the ball in his hands next season, instead of using him off the ball.

 

[Darth Divac]

Tony Snell is young, cheap, and reasonably attainable. He's my pick.

 

[bajaden]

We have to disagree here. But first let me say, that I don't follow College basketball. My own assessement of Smart is based solely on his games for the Celtics.
Now I don't think there are many players, that play defense the way Smart does. He is an absolute game changer on the defensive end. Most of it comes with his body type. He has the same advantage DMC has - a extremely strong core and base. At 6'4 you can watch him guard Sg/Sf's up to 6'9 or 6'10 ( Mirotic f.e. in yesterdays game) and those guys are unable to move him, while he harasses them all the time.
And he is communicating on D, is able to lead a defensive unit and is a great team defender.
So from my point of view he is not just a guy able to guard. He is one of the very few elite perimeter defenders, able to guard multiple positions.
He is a player you can effectively built a defense around, that aggressively switches pick&rolls.
Now he is not a good shooter. Noone is going to argue that. But given the small amount of shots our starting 2 guard gets, this eventually wouldn't outweigh his defensive impact. He is a solid playmaker and lately has started to post people up.
His shot selection for me seems to be a direct result of Brad Stevens system. Stevens wants everyone to shoot the 3 when open. Guys completely unable to shoot don't get playing time (see Zeller, Lee). In a system built around Dmc and Gay I wouldn't expect Smart to be a volume shooter and since his shooting form is not as broken as Rondo's, I would expect him to improve over time.
But let's be honest - talking about Smart is nearly pointless, because the Celtics are not dumb enough to part ways with him.
More likely they won't resign Turner and give Smart more time with the ball in his hands next season, instead of using him off the ball.

Look, we'll just have to agree to disagree. It's not personal with me in regards to Smart, but I can't throw away all those college games I watched him play. In college, his attitude stunk. Boogie never went up into the stands and got into a fight with a fan. Despite shooting under 20% from the three at one point, he still continued to chuck up 4 to 5 three's a game. His form is absolutely terrible. Most of his shots are off balance. His form has improved since arriving in the NBA, but it hasn't helped his efficiency or his shot selection.

Yes, he's a very good defender, but so is Tony Wroten, and he can shoot just as badly as Smart, he's cheaper to acquire, and, he's a 6'6" PG. We certainly don't need him to build our defense around. We already have that player in WCS. Would he be a nice addition defensively? Sure, but he's a huge libility on offense and he can't hold a candle to Rondo when it comes to distributing the ball. If you can get Smart where he can shoot 33% from the three, I'm on board. Maybe.... Right now he's shooting 33% overall, and 19% from the the three. Despite his lousy three point shooting, he's still chucking up almost 4 shots a game from there. You think folks are fed up with Belinelli, wait till they get a load of Smart throwing up wild looking shots at key moments in the game. Rondo by the way is shooting just a tick under 33% from the three this season. Not great, but a lot better than Smart.

 

[Fear the Putin]

These are all 3 and D guys that can do wonders for our team.

Avery Bradley
Courtney Lee
Gary Harris
Will Barton
Jae Crowder
Thabo Sefolosha
PJ Tucker
Kelly Oubre !!!!!
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

 

[swisshh]

One thing that I've been thinking about is that every year there's some guys who are offered in trade that don't end up getting traded before the deadline, and then their team releases them just to clear them off the roster.

This could potentially help the Kings, but the problem is they have no cap space and no trade exceptions left to absorb one of those released players. They still may be able to with a min contract. Not sure about the details on that. Since I feel Kevin Martin may be one of those types, don't be surprised if that happens. He doesn't help your D, but neither does Marco. You just hope Kevin hits shots for cheap.

As for 3 n D guys, I think Bradley would be great. Boston will want more for him than the Kings can give up. Thabo is nice but his 3 has not been there. He's just a D guy right now. Jae will take too much to pry away as well. PJ Tucker more an apt target. Will Barton is kind of Thornton like in that he wants to dribble the ball a bit before shooting. He's a freestyler that also rebounds well for his weight class. Guys like RHJ and Meeks are hurt. Meeks may be back soon so maybe Detroit features him a couple games and then lures him out there.

 

[whozit]

If Karl won't sit a player struggling, remove said player?

Karl says he's a bit crazy, so give him full blown crazy.

Lance Stephenson in exchange for Marco Belinelli and Caron Butler. Stephenson is team option next year so if doesn't work out, either cut him or don't pick up the option next year.

Stephenson hasn't worked for the Clippers and Belinelli hasn't worked for the Kings. Exchange two problem assets and hope to come out ahead. Butler is to make salaries work and he was reportedly promised a trade.

 

[sdballer]

Will never understand the obsession with Stephenson? He had a good year a few years ago and outside of that year, is basically a troubled guy that can't seem to fit in anywhere

 

[hrdboild]

These are all 3 and D guys that can do wonders for our team.

Avery Bradley
Courtney Lee
Gary Harris
Will Barton
Jae Crowder
Thabo Sefolosha
PJ Tucker
Kelly Oubre !!!!!
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Some of these names are questionable.

Rondae Hollis Jefferson is not a 3 and D player. He shot 20% from three in college and so far he's 1 for 5 in his NBA career. I do like him as a defender though.

Caldwell-Pope is a 33% career three point shooter who's currently taking 5 threes a game and hitting on 32% of them. That's no better than Belinelli.

Courtney Lee is 30 and isn't playing much better than Ben McLemore this season. I wouldn't give up anything valuable for him.

Thabo Sefolosha has been an above average shooter in only 2 out of 10 seasons. This year he's shooting 28% from deep.

Realistically, if we're looking for a 3 and D wing to replace Ben in the starting lineup than there are a lot fewer options out there than people seem to think there are. Starting SG is the worst performing position in the league. Ben is basically league average right now. He's only taking 6 shots per game but his percentages are league average. Replacing Ben with someone better mid-season is going to require us to give up something valuable and may be a net loss in production.

The other option is to find a wing defender off the bench. We don't really need a dedicated shooter anymore. That was going to be Marco's role but Casspi is filling that role admirably and Ben, Darren, DeMarcus, and Rajon are giving us decent support there too. What we really need is a defensive stopper we can put in for critical stops and I'd prefer that player to be someone tall enough and long enough to guard both wing positions. Would George Karl even play this hypothetical player though?

 

[whozit]

Will never understand the obsession with Stephenson? He had a good year a few years ago and outside of that year, is basically a troubled guy that can't seem to fit in anywhere

No obsession. One player has at worse the current year 4.5 million remaining on contract and the other this year plus two more and 15+ million remaining on contract.

Win now mode and rolling the dice. This also frees a roster spot. Wroten (sp?)?

Change of scenery for both players. People have said in the past, beware of players coming from the Spurs system.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Now aquiring Lance would really fuel this Suicide Squat narrative I became so fond of.
The guy would give our second unit some playmaking, if he manages to keep his ego in check.
And Cousins would get less T's, because Lance always is the first one to ***** around or start a fight.
Pretty similar to Josh Smith - boneheaded, very difficult to control, can do everything on the court, will cost you points, possessions and games with his antics. But in the right environment with a bit of a leash from his coach, might be an unconventional but dangerous player.

 

[bajaden]

Now aquiring Lance would really fuel this Suicide Squat narrative I became so fond of.
The guy would give our second unit some playmaking, if he manages to keep his ego in check.
And Cousins would get less T's, because Lance always is the first one to ***** around or start a fight.
Pretty similar to Josh Smith - boneheaded, very difficult to control, can do everything on the court, will cost you points, possessions and games with his antics. But in the right environment with a bit of a leash from his coach, might be an unconventional but dangerous player.

Strangely enough, there's a part of me, perhaps my dark side, that likes Lance. But make no mistake, he's a true head case that makes Cuz look like an angel by comparison. In two different games at Cincinnati, I saw him get angry while play was going on and just walk off the floor. His head coach had to grab him and push him back onto the floor. He's a piece of work, but he's a talented piece of work.

 

[whozit]

Strangely enough, there's a part of me, perhaps my dark side, that likes Lance. But make no mistake, he's a true head case that makes Cuz look like an angel by comparison. In two different games at Cincinnati, I saw him get angry while play was going on and just walk off the floor. His head coach had to grab him and push him back onto the floor. He's a piece of work, but he's a talented piece of work.

In certain ways, I'd like the team to be the one that other teams would be uncertain of and afraid of. Literally.

 

[White_Chocolate]

These are all 3 and D guys that can do wonders for our team.

Avery Bradley
Courtney Lee
Gary Harris
Will Barton
Jae Crowder
Thabo Sefolosha
PJ Tucker
Kelly Oubre !!!!!
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Good list. Lets discuss your list.

Bradley would be excellent (great defender, can hit the three, good 2nd or 3rd scoring option) but the Cs won't let him go for cheap and he wants a big deal soon.
Lee would be solid (he is not getting any younger but, is a solid offensive - can create his own shot and is decent spot up shooter - and defensive player) again unless Memphis blows it up I doubt he leaves, but they are beginning to tip in that direction so who knows.
Barton / Harris not going anywhere so why discuss it.
Crowder out of all the players I like the most as an option due to his defensive presence and ability to hit the J. I think he would be perfect on this team. I honestly really like the idea of Gay for Crowder and a pick.
Sefolosha I like him but don't want to pay heavily for him. Maybe Bellinelli for him straight up.
Tucker solid option but nothing fancy. Can hit a shot and gives his all every game. Kind of like a more serviceable Acy at the 3.
KCP - Detroit won't deal the player receiving the most minutes in the game unless we offer a lot.
Oubre - Unlikely to be dealt being that Beal may be gone soon and Oubre is a rookie. Unusually to ship a rookie off midseason.

 

[Bricklayer]

What about George Hill?

And I say that only because of the news today that Atlanta is shopping one of Schroeder and Teague, and more likely Teague.

And how, might you ask, is that relevant? Well, I don't have any idea what Atlanta would be up to. Don't know what they would want to do if they were to trade Teague. But one possibility is that they might be looking for some frontcourt beef.

Meanwhile Indiana might be looking for a more legitimate scorer/star type PG. BTW I don't think Teague/Monta/George is a good idea because of ball dominance, but there are limited places for them to add talent if they are going to insist on smallballing.

Anyway, the punchline is this:

Teague earns $8mil
Hill earns $8mil
Kosta earns $7.5mil

And it makes you think a bit about a three way trade, with additional candy of some sort in there since the Hawks are giving up the most value. But the Pacers are reciving the most, so maybe the candy is theirs.

Anyway, Hill is 6'3". A great shooter and tough defender and another deep playoff experienced vet. Ben is only 6'4". For Karl's play 2 PGs together bit, Hill makes a lot more sense than what we have been doing.

Of course then we have shrunk ourself. In past years you would have to worry about the coach taking Willie out of the starting lineup so that we would have a Cuz backup. So could cause problems. And you would want to get a playable big body back in here.

 

[KingsFanGER]

I think guys like Bradley, Crowder, Hill, KCP, Oubre are pipedreams. We have very little to offer, if we want to keep our core intact. And a capable perimeter defender has high value in this league.
If we really want to make a change, I think we need to aim at players, who are considered damaged goods like Lance (and there is a reason he is considered a damaged good ) or guys, who don't get much playing time on their teams like Solo or McDaniels.

 

[KingMilz]

I think guys like Bradley, Crowder, Hill, KCP, Oubre are pipedreams. We have very little to offer, if we want to keep our core intact. And a capable perimeter defender has high value in this league.
If we really want to make a change, I think we need to aim at players, who are considered damaged goods like Lance (and there is a reason he is considered a damaged good ) or guys, who don't get much playing time on their teams like Solo or McDaniels.

Maybe with the Hawks trying to move Teague (for a wing) we could get in on a 3 way to get Bazemore and give the Hawks Collison as there back up PG. I personally would love Teague here but Rondo has played well so I don't see us swapping the two but if the Hawks want another starter wing player could mean they might move Baze.

 

[KingMilz]

What about George Hill?

And I say that only because of the news today that Atlanta is shopping one of Schroeder and Teague, and more likely Teague.

And how, might you ask, is that relevant? Well, I don't have any idea what Atlanta would be up to. Don't know what they would want to do if they were to trade Teague. But one possibility is that they might be looking for some frontcourt beef.

Meanwhile Indiana might be looking for a more legitimate scorer/star type PG. BTW I don't think Teague/Monta/George is a good idea because of ball dominance, but there are limited places for them to add talent if they are going to insist on smallballing.

Anyway, the punchline is this:

Teague earns $8mil
Hill earns $8mil
Kosta earns $7.5mil

And it makes you think a bit about a three way trade, with additional candy of some sort in there since the Hawks are giving up the most value. But the Pacers are reciving the most, so maybe the candy is theirs.

Anyway, Hill is 6'3". A great shooter and tough defender and another deep playoff experienced vet. Ben is only 6'4". For Karl's play 2 PGs together bit, Hill makes a lot more sense than what we have been doing.

Of course then we have shrunk ourself. In past years you would have to worry about the coach taking Willie out of the starting lineup so that we would have a Cuz backup. So could cause problems. And you would want to get a playable big body back in here.

Hill would be great was thinking the same thing

 

[KingsFanGER]

Maybe with the Hawks trying to move Teague (for a wing) we could get in on a 3 way to get Bazemore and give the Hawks Collison as there back up PG. I personally would love Teague here but Rondo has played well so I don't see us swapping the two but if the Hawks want another starter wing player could mean they might move Baze.

Maybe. But if they make Baze available I would expect, that we are not the only suitors. And which Wing Teague could net them? Would this player be able to beat Bazemore for the starting spot? Wouldn't they try to part ways with Korver, who struggled this season, before they get rid of Baze?

 

[KingMilz]

Maybe. But if they make Baze available I would expect, that we are not the only suitors. And which Wing Teague could net them? Would this player be able to beat Bazemore for the starting spot? Wouldn't they try to part ways with Korver, who struggled this season, before they get rid of Baze?

They might feel the same way about Baze they felt about Carroll and now Teague that both are going to get payed and its better to move them now for something. There going to need a back up PG if they move one of there PGs I don't think Shelvin Mack is a 2nd tier PG if your a playoff team.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Hill would be great was thinking the same thing

Hill+Monta is a very good combination, because Hill is more of a SG and Monta makes up for his lack of playmaking. Teague+Monta would be worse in terms of fit and defense. Given that PG can initiate the offense too, they don't have a pressing need for a PG. And the fact , that Young, Hill, Stuckey and Monta are all some sort of combo guards, it's unlikely, that they want to add any "true" PG to the roster.

 

[KingsFanGER]

I think Milwaukee would be a logical suitor for Teague or Schröder. MCW is long, but can't shoot and their spacing is horrible with Giannis, Parker, MCW and Monroe.
The Hawks might take a gamble on Parker.

 

[Amit149]

What about George Hill?

And I say that only because of the news today that Atlanta is shopping one of Schroeder and Teague, and more likely Teague.

And how, might you ask, is that relevant? Well, I don't have any idea what Atlanta would be up to. Don't know what they would want to do if they were to trade Teague. But one possibility is that they might be looking for some frontcourt beef.

Meanwhile Indiana might be looking for a more legitimate scorer/star type PG. BTW I don't think Teague/Monta/George is a good idea because of ball dominance, but there are limited places for them to add talent if they are going to insist on smallballing.

Anyway, the punchline is this:

Teague earns $8mil
Hill earns $8mil
Kosta earns $7.5mil

And it makes you think a bit about a three way trade, with additional candy of some sort in there since the Hawks are giving up the most value. But the Pacers are reciving the most, so maybe the candy is theirs.

Anyway, Hill is 6'3". A great shooter and tough defender and another deep playoff experienced vet. Ben is only 6'4". For Karl's play 2 PGs together bit, Hill makes a lot more sense than what we have been doing.

Of course then we have shrunk ourself. In past years you would have to worry about the coach taking Willie out of the starting lineup so that we would have a Cuz backup. So could cause problems. And you would want to get a playable big body back in here.

I like the idea of Hill and I also really like the idea of using Kosta in a trade- I like him as a player, but I think that between Cousins and WCS we have little need for him.

But I don't think that Atlanta needs more "frontcourt beef"- they already have Splitter on a big contract being a center off the bench, and they also has a young 7' 3 center named Walter Tavares along with their big floor-spacers in Mike Scott and Mike Muscala.

I think chances are they would be looking to trade Teague for a similar player and they are trading him since they want to max his trade value before he becomes an expiring and they can't control it (they got burned by Carroll).
Another reason might be that Horford is letting them know he's leaving and they want to break apart the team (like Portland) but that's just my unlikely true speculation.

 

[Iced Espresso]

If Karl won't sit a player struggling, remove said player?

Karl says he's a bit crazy, so give him full blown crazy.

Lance Stephenson in exchange for Marco Belinelli and Caron Butler. Stephenson is team option next year so if doesn't work out, either cut him or don't pick up the option next year.

Stephenson hasn't worked for the Clippers and Belinelli hasn't worked for the Kings. Exchange two problem assets and hope to come out ahead. Butler is to make salaries work and he was reportedly promised a trade.

Would the Clippers want the length of Marco's contract?

It's worth exploring if you ask me only because we trade long term financial commitments that don't seem to be working out for someone "expiring" as the option won't be picked up for that price.

 

[whozit]

Would the Clippers want the length of Marco's contract?

It's worth exploring if you ask me only because we trade long term financial commitments that don't seem to be working out for someone "expiring" as the option won't be picked up for that price.

I honestly don't know. According to Hoopshype, not counting Lance and player options, it appears the Clippers have seven players and just under 80 million committed. Even with the increase in the salary cap, that's a lot of holes to fill with little money.

Belinelli isn't a bad player, just appears to be a bad fit. As a spot up shooter, he could be deadly with CP3 feeding him.

If the Kings got Lance, I would hope they were getting him not as a expiring but as one who hopefully fits and helps make the whole. Expiring is fall back if doesn't work.

 

[biltalent]

Can we please get of the trade Belinelli band waggon and stop undervaluing him?
He is on a great contract and once the cap goes up to 90 mil he will make 6.3 mil. Under the old cap, that equals to 5 mil. He is averaging 10.8 points in 25 min per game. Yes, he is having a shooting slump but as soon as we start to use him the right way, I'm sure his 38% fg% will go up. He has proven for 3 straight years that he can be good for 25 min of the bench for a playoff/championship team. In 20112/2013 he played 25 min of the bench under Thibedeau for the Bulls. 2013/2014 and 2014/2015 he played 25 and 22 per game for San Antonio.
If we start using more as a spot up shooter that can set his feet and not create for himself and not be the no. 1 option of the bench he will be one of the best contracts that we have

 

[Amit149]

Can we please get of the trade Belinelli band waggon and stop undervaluing him?
He is on a great contract and once the cap goes up to 90 mil he will make 6.3 mil. Under the old cap, that equals to 5 mil. He is averaging 10.8 points in 25 min per game. Yes, he is having a shooting slump but as soon as we start to use him the right way, I'm sure his 38% fg% will go up. He has proven for 3 straight years that he can be good for 25 min of the bench for a playoff/championship team. In 20112/2013 he played 25 min of the bench under Thibedeau for the Bulls. 2013/2014 and 2014/2015 he played 25 and 22 per game for San Antonio.
If we start using more as a spot up shooter that can set his feet and not create for himself and not be the no. 1 option of the bench he will be one of the best contracts that we have

1. the team he "proved" he can contribute to is the Spurs, which is basically heaven for players his kind- it won't be the first time a player that succeeded there fail to deliver in a different team.

2. Marco was also very inconsistent through the years in term of his shooting- in 12/13 for Chicago he shot only 39.5% from the field and 35.7% from 3, he followed that up with a great year efficiency wise for the Spurs with 48.5% from the field and 43% from 3, and last year he dropped greatly to 42.3% from the field and 37.4% from 33. You are talking like he is slumping for a month, more than half a season has passed and he is shooting terrible.

3. If all Marco can be is a spot-up shooter that can make wide open 3's at a decent % there's value in that, but it's a very small value considering how bad of a defender he is.
Marco is not going to get the same amount of open looks he got in SA here.

4. I think you are understating how bad he has really been- he is dead last among SG's in DRPM, he ranks 431 out of 434 in DRPM overall and that's not new- he was 454 out of 474 last year and 424 out of 437 the year before that, dude is as bad a defender as one could be...

And he is even worse this season when it comes to RPM- 432 out of 434 in RPM in general...
Only 2(!!!) other players in the entier NBA have worse seasons so far in the entire NBA based on real plus-minus, Stauskas? slightly better.

 

[Sac.1989]

how much does Tony Allen have left in the tank ?

He's making 5/6 mill and could very much be available.

The Grizz are in an interesting situation where they are looking somewhat to the future and getting younger so they can maintain their mid tier status in the west but aren't close to blowing it up.

 

[biltalent]

1. the team he "proved" he can contribute to is the Spurs, which is basically heav
en for players his kind- it won't be the first time a player that succeeded there fail to deliver in a different team.

2. Marco was also very inconsistent through the years in term of his shooting- in 12/13 for Chicago he shot only 39.5% from the field and 35.7% from 3, he followed that up with a great year efficiency wise for the Spurs with 48.5% from the field and 43% from 3, and last year he dropped greatly to 42.3% from the field and 37.4% from 33. You are talking like he is slumping for a month, more than half a season has passed and he is shooting terrible.

3. If all Marco can be is a spot-up shooter that can make wide open 3's at a decent % there's value in that, but it's a very small value considering how bad of a defender he is.
Marco is not going to get the same amount of open looks he got in SA here.

4. I think you are understating how bad he has really been- he is dead last among SG's in DRPM, he ranks 431 out of 434 in DRPM overall and an even worse 432 out of 434 in RPM in general...
Only 2(!!!) other players have worse seasons so far in the entire NBA based on real plus-minus, Stauskas? slightly better.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly agree that up to this point he has not played well for us! But I come up with other conclusions.
You have to be aware of context, sample size and regression to the mean. Right now, his fg% is so low because half of his shots come from 3 where he is shooting 31%. In totals, he hit 65 of 209 3 point shots. For his career, he made 38% on 725 of 1891 3 point shots.
So is this on Marco because suddenly after 8 years in the league he forgot how to shoot or is it because we fail to use him the right way and he had bad luck on a few shots?

He is certainely not untouchable, but I don't want to trade a player just because we fail to use him to his strenghts and be patient.

On defense you surely have a point, he just is not a defender and never was.

 

[Amit149]

I'm well aware of context and sample size, you can't claim that this season we only have a small sample size- he is averaging more 3pt attempt than any season before and we already have 46 games under our belt...
For your question- I think most of it is on Marco, I don't think he forgot how to shoot but he has been inconsistent in his past, and like I said before the last time he played for a non-spurs offense he averaged 35% from 3.
Now I don't think he forgot how to shoot, and there is a chance he will shoot better- but you can only blame how we use im to a certain extent- if he was shooting 35% from 3 than I would maybe agree it's on how we use him but the way he is shooting he has to carry atleast some of the blame.

Now I disagree about that trading him becaue we are impatient and to use him to his strengths is a bad move- the goal of this team isn't to help Marco's career it's to win games and make the playoffs, if Marco isn't contributing after that long a period of time I think there is a lot of sense in trading him, he might be good- but he is not good for us. maybe it's a poor fit and he'll "blow-up" somewhere else, that doesn't mean it's a bad move if we got someone that can help us better than he could.

On defense he is reaching Jimmer levels, so if he's not shooting lights out he is hurting the team.