[NBA] Comments that don't warrant a thread (TDOS)

#92
Thanks for the heads up! I'll make sure to never, ever listen to it.
I listed to the first one because he said he was going address everything. He did not. He just shared how his dad helped black people and how he was never given a chance to share his side. He did not call anyone out specifically, but he thanked people specifically. So you could read a lot into that if you so chose. He said he learned a lot about words like "woke" which he had never heard before. That willful ignorance for a person in the media dealing with the NBA. It was not what I was expecting at all. He never mentioned Boogie, he never mentioned anyone w the Kings. He did drone on about how 90% of who he talks about are done paying to go to sports because of protests and politics. Seemed like a lot more telling on himself. It was weird. I doubt I listen again, especially since he's brining back "grants rant" when he started yelling about Bryce Harper for some reason I turned it off.
 
#96
Great podcast by Grant, a lot of people are tired of the politics and the ratings show the result of woke culture in sports
I think he did a decent job of containing his anger. Mentioned he now knows who his friends are. Didn't mention Doug, Vlade, Carmichael Dave, Jerry, Kate...Not sure if it's a thing or not.

As for politics, there's a certain threshold. Where that threshold is, that's for each person to decide.

That said, I'm glad he's back. Since he's no longer anchored to the team, will be interesting to hear his insights.
 
#97
I think he did a decent job of containing his anger. Mentioned he now knows who his friends are. Didn't mention Doug, Vlade, Carmichael Dave, Jerry, Kate...Not sure if it's a thing or not.

As for politics, there's a certain threshold. Where that threshold is, that's for each person to decide.

That said, I'm glad he's back. Since he's no longer anchored to the team, will be interesting to hear his insights.
I grew up listening to Grant and I am also real glad he is back. Im actually happy hes independently hosting his own podcasts instead of being anchored down to just the kings.

I thought his rant on Bryce Harper was actually hilarious too
 
#98
As for politics, there's a certain threshold. Where that threshold is, that's for each person to decide.
I don’t believe there’s much of a threshold for the masses. Which is what I believe the current ratings are showing.

I LMAO when the likes of Katie Nolan and Maria Taylor shake their head no when told that fans seek escape from political nonsense via sports.

I’d bet all the money that’s ever run through Fort Knox that if Katie Nolan or Maria Taylor hired a real estate agent to show them houses, they wouldn’t stand for that agent using that stage to preach their politics and beliefs to them. No matter how noble the cause is. They’d expect that person to do the job they were hired to do.

If these people care so much about these non-sports causes, they should run for political office. Then they can campaign and discuss all these issues with those that want to hear about what they think while on the proper stage.

Nobody likes bait and switch tactics. But that’s what were getting nowadays. When you go to a theater to see a movie, you expect to see a movie. Not someone hijacking that stage to then preach their opinions and beliefs to a captive audience. Same applies to sporting events and all other forms of entertainment.
 
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#99
Great podcast by Grant, a lot of people are tired of the politics and the ratings show the result of woke culture in sports
I listened to it yesterday, because I was curious to hear what he’d say. I actually thought he came off ok. I actually agreed with a lot of what he said, even though I’m far from big fan of his.

The podcast was much shorter than I expected it to be. Something like 35 minutes or so.
 
I think he did a decent job of containing his anger. Mentioned he now knows who his friends are. Didn't mention Doug, Vlade, Carmichael Dave, Jerry, Kate...Not sure if it's a thing or not.

As for politics, there's a certain threshold. Where that threshold is, that's for each person to decide.

That said, I'm glad he's back. Since he's no longer anchored to the team, will be interesting to hear his insights.
To be fair, I think he was just mentioning people that went to bat for him in mainstream and local media like Breton, New York Post writers, and he even thanked Bill Maher. Maybe a few non public figure friends because I didn’t know who a few of the people he mentioned were. I think he was going to try to keep people currently employed by the Kings or KHTK out of it no matter if he felt they had his back or not. I mean Grant, who kept it civil in regards to Maloofs to the very end, understands the game better than anybody. He wouldn’t be doing any current Kings or KHTK employees any good mentioning their support or lack thereof. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he had issue with Doug because listening to Doug the day of with Jason Ross, I would probably be ticked if I was in Grants shoes.

I remember Dave being openly against this but that was the day it happened. I haven’t listened to KHTK since the day they fired Grant and won’t, so maybe his tune changed since then but I wouldn’t assume that people not mentioned by name are in the category of phony friends to Grant.
 
The NHL ratings were down significantly too. A good argument could be made that sports that played outside of their normal season as well as outside of their normal venues were impacted more.

NFL wasn't shy about social messaging this year and they're fine.
 

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The NHL ratings were down significantly too. A good argument could be made that sports that played outside of their normal season as well as outside of their normal venues were impacted more.

NFL wasn't shy about social messaging this year and they're fine.
Indeed. It can't be understated that the NFL is the only league that is more or less on its regular schedule.
 
The NHL ratings were down significantly too. A good argument could be made that sports that played outside of their normal season as well as outside of their normal venues were impacted more.

NFL wasn't shy about social messaging this year and they're fine.
Or could be during the time of no sports people found other interests and sports no longer are as appealing.
 
The NHL ratings were down significantly too. A good argument could be made that sports that played outside of their normal season as well as outside of their normal venues were impacted more.

NFL wasn't shy about social messaging this year and they're fine.
Their ratings are still down like 5-10 percent, but nothing lile the NBAs numbers. The NBA finals got beat out by 90 day fiance apparently
 
I listened to it yesterday, because I was curious to hear what he’d say. I actually thought he came off ok. I actually agreed with a lot of what he said, even though I’m far from big fan of his.

The podcast was much shorter than I expected it to be. Something like 35 minutes or so.
I was expecting a longer podcast myself, but thats just because im used to his 90+ minute kings podcasts lol
 
I listened to it yesterday, because I was curious to hear what he’d say. I actually thought he came off ok. I actually agreed with a lot of what he said, even though I’m far from big fan of his.

The podcast was much shorter than I expected it to be. Something like 35 minutes or so.
I listened to Grant’s podcast this afternoon and like you found most of what he said agreeable. It was nicely done IMO and I’m not a rant fan in general and can’t stand to listen to Jim Rome.

I do find it interesting that comments on Grants podcast have been shuffled over here where they are hard to see. Previous posts about Grants firing were quickly closed.

what do the moderators have to say about that?
 

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I listened to Grant’s podcast this afternoon and like you found most of what he said agreeable. It was nicely done IMO and I’m not a rant fan in general and can’t stand to listen to Jim Rome.

I do find it interesting that comments on Grants podcast have been shuffled over here where they are hard to see. Previous posts about Grants firing were quickly closed.

what do the moderators have to say about that?
Here's what this moderator has to say about it: The comments about Grant's podcast (and perhaps Grant's podcast itself, I haven't listened) seem to be more about politics than about sports.

This is a sports website, and not a politics website, and there are good reasons for that. If folks would like to discuss the politics of Grant's podcast, or the current sport-political situation, they may discuss it elsewhere. There are plenty of places to do so.
 

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[Mod Hat on]

I do find it interesting that comments on Grants podcast have been shuffled over here where they are hard to see. Previous posts about Grants firing were quickly closed.

what do the moderators have to say about that?
There's nothing to say. This isn't rocket science: posts about Napear's podcast were moved to the #NBA folder because Grant Napear no longer works for the Kings. #OffTheCourt is for Kings-related off the court discussion. Discussion of Napear's podcast belongs either here, or in #General. I mean, sorry you don't get to have every discussion topic that interests you in one spot, for your convenience?

If there appears to be enough interest in Napear's podcast to continue discussing the non-political aspects of it, I'll go ahead and split it back into its own thread. But, if it turns out to be more general sports-related than basketball specific, #General is probably where it's headed.

[Mod Hat off]
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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Their ratings are still down like 5-10 percent, but nothing lile the NBAs numbers. The NBA finals got beat out by 90 day fiance apparently
Why would you feel so confident about saying something that could so easily be proven wrong?

https://newsakmi.com/news/entertainment/tv-news/ratings-for-sunday-4th-october-2020/

I can only surmise that you are incorrectly reading the "Adjustments" column as the final ratings for Game 3. That's not what that column reflects: it's a reflection of change in viewers from the beginning of the hour to the end of the hour. That 0.70/1.837 in the 20:00 hour and 0.60/1.540 in the 21:00 hour that you must have thought meant that the Finals finished behind 90-day Fiancé actually indicates how many more people tuned in between when the ratings were first measured, and when the ratings were last measured, for the hour.
 
Here's what this moderator has to say about it: The comments about Grant's podcast (and perhaps Grant's podcast itself, I haven't listened) seem to be more about politics than about sports.

This is a sports website, and not a politics website, and there are good reasons for that. If folks would like to discuss the politics of Grant's podcast, or the current sport-political situation, they may discuss it elsewhere. There are plenty of places to do so.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate all the work you and the other Moderators do to keep this site going.

For many years my favorite sports to watch has been Kings basketball. We had partial season tickets during the early 2000's then the finances were redirected when the babies came so I turned to TV.

Grant and Jerry filled my sports viewing with their brand of commentating. Grant is a New Yorker and they are often brash so while not my style I accepted it along with Jerry's home spun wit. IMO they made a nice duo. To sum it up I loved those guys work on the games.

Grant on KHTK was another matter. He covered the Kings so I often listened during the season or if there was a trade or a signing. I often disagreed with his takes and usually turned off the rants. I figured Grant had a radio personality schtick and was doing his thing. I exercised my freedom to listen when I wanted and also to not listen at times.

So for me Grants firing was a big deal. IMO from a sports perspective he had done a good job. His charity work has shown he is a good citizen IMO. So of course I think his firing was not justified. Hey my sports viewing is being affected.

IMO the threads about this event affecting the Kings Basketball telecasts were too brief as they were locked in like 3 days.

Now the news of his podcast is being redirected to "comments that don't warrant a thread". For me this seems to trivialize a long sportscasting career that brought joy to many.

I have written this as a way of explaining my previous comments. I'm not mad, just don't think it is right.

So I understand Charles Barkley will be his guest on his Friday podcast. I for one will listen.


Link to GN's former charity event--> http://futurefoundationsacramento.org/golf/
 
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Why would you feel so confident about saying something that could so easily be proven wrong?

https://newsakmi.com/news/entertainment/tv-news/ratings-for-sunday-4th-october-2020/

I can only surmise that you are incorrectly reading the "Adjustments" column as the final ratings for Game 3. That's not what that column reflects: it's a reflection of change in viewers from the beginning of the hour to the end of the hour. That 0.70/1.837 in the 20:00 hour and 0.60/1.540 in the 21:00 hour that you must have thought meant that the Finals finished behind 90-day Fiancé actually indicates how many more people tuned in between when the ratings were first measured, and when the ratings were last measured, for the hour.
So the NBA ratings arent down? And it was said on the news smart one.

But thats not what my post was about in the first place, it was about the viewership ratings and how theyve dropped. Viewership hasnt been this low in over 15 years......
 

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So the NBA ratings arent down? And it was said on the news smart one..
I didn't say that ratings weren't down: I said that your claim that they "got beat out by 90 day fiance" was false. Because it is. And, if they said it on the news, then the news was wrong, too.

But thats not what my post was about in the first place, it was about the viewership ratings and how theyve dropped. Viewership hasnt been this low in over 15 years.....
Yeah, you've been pretty clear about that. The ratings are lower than they've been in previous seasons. And my rebuttal to that is, so what? What difference does it make if the ratings for the 2020 Finals are lower than they were for the 2019 Finals? The 2020 Finals aren't in competition with the 2019 Finals. The 2020 Finals are in competition with what's on TV right now. The ratings for the 2020 Finals are still higher than everything that's on TV right now, other than 60 Minutes (which it still beat in the "key" demo, over the course of the hour), and the NFL. The NBA consistently wins the key demo, over everything that's not the NFL. That's what the advertisers care about, which means that that's what the networks care about. They don't care if the NBA's ratings are down, relative to previous years: so are everybody else's.
 
I didn't say that ratings weren't down: I said that your claim that they "got beat out by 90 day fiance" was false. Because it is. And, if they said it on the news, then the news was wrong, too.


Yeah, you've been pretty clear about that. The ratings are lower than they've been in previous seasons. And my rebuttal to that is, so what? What difference does it make if the ratings for the 2020 Finals are lower than they were for the 2019 Finals? The 2020 Finals aren't in competition with the 2019 Finals. The 2020 Finals are in competition with what's on TV right now. The ratings for the 2020 Finals are still higher than everything that's on TV right now, other than 60 Minutes (which it still beat in the "key" demo, over the course of the hour), and the NFL. The NBA consistently wins the key demo, over everything that's not the NFL. That's what the advertisers care about, which means that that's what the networks care about. They don't care if the NBA's ratings are down, relative to previous years: so are everybody else's.
Difference is $$$$$. TV contractors won't like the low ratings. Might even be in the contract if the rating is low enough the NBA gets less money. It would make sense.
 

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The ratings aren't actually low, though. They're just lower than they were. And, like I said, they're not competing against what they were: they're competing against the rest of what's on, right now. And the NBA is still ahead of everything that's not the NFL.

And the NBA also still dominates the key advertising demographic, again, versus anything that's not the NFL. As long as they do that, the TV money isn't going anywhere.
 

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Youre wrong. Ratings are more than 40% lower than any other Finals in the past 20 years and viewership is at an all time low. You can keep trying to play semantics and trying to reword my point to validate your own though, I find it quite entertaining
Your point is trash. Any argument framing the drop in ratings for the NBA in a way which dismisses or otherwise ignores the fact that ratings are down for everything is invalid, and disingenuous. You cannot have a good faith discussion about the NBA ratings without acknowledging that the NBA still beats out everything that it's actually competing with.
 
Your point is trash. Any argument framing the drop in ratings for the NBA in a way which dismisses or otherwise ignores the fact that ratings are down for everything is invalid, and disingenuous. You cannot have a good faith discussion about the NBA ratings without acknowledging that the NBA still beats out everything that it's actually competing with.
Given that it is across the board, will the money still be there? I have seen arguments that it will be but dynamics change. There was a time when newspaper advertising was robust but as circulation dried up so did the revenue. Advertising was still done and paid for but simply using a different medium. Is the advertising market getting ready to make another adjustment? Don't know.

I don't think one should take anything involving 2020 as concrete evidence of something. Too many variables, too many first time experiences.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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Given that it is across the board, will the money still be there? I have seen arguments that it will be but dynamics change. There was a time when newspaper advertising was robust but as circulation dried up so did the revenue. Advertising was still done and paid for but simply using a different medium. Is the advertising market getting ready to make another adjustment? Don't know.
As long as they continue to dominate the key advertising demo (males 18-49), the money will always be there. Game 3 beat everything except the NFL (which it's never had to compete against before), had a 2:1 advantage over its closest competitor in Game 1, and enjoyed a 4:1 advantage over its closest competitor in Games 3 and 4. If the NBA can continue to average a 3:1 advantage in the key demo over everything else it goes head-to-head with, that TV money ain't going anywhere.
 
Your point is trash. Any argument framing the drop in ratings for the NBA in a way which dismisses or otherwise ignores the fact that ratings are down for everything is invalid, and disingenuous. You cannot have a good faith discussion about the NBA ratings without acknowledging that the NBA still beats out everything that it's actually competing with.
The NBA is not beating out everything its competing with is the point. Talk about being disingenuous yourself sir. And your stats are trash just like your weak argument. 90 day fiance had 2.9 million viewers compared to the 1.6 million the NBA finals game racked up.

Again though keep up your weak sauce, I enjoy eating it up