Monday morning 2-16-09 trade talks
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Circa_1985_Fan
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Yes, Swift is an expiring...all he has left is $6.2 this year then done.
bloom
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We want to rebuild and yet we’re willing to give two of our potentially good young players away for a guy that will probably walk at the end of it and our team will probably still suck in his time here.
If the Suns want to take: Brad, Kenny, John, Sheldon, Mikki, Douby, Bobby B and maybe even Bobby J – then I probably wouldn’t hesitate. But we’re finally trying to get some young guys and we’re using the draft, you don’t get rid of those players just so you can lose your trade in a year or so. Then we’d be back to square one.
I personally don’t like what teams are offering us for John. An expiring piece isn’t enough. Why are we just trying to dump players? Shouldn’t we also try to get someone that is young and can play? I’d like to get someone out of these trades.
I’m glad Portland is still involved with us, but I want something more from them.
If the Suns want to take: Brad, Kenny, John, Sheldon, Mikki, Douby, Bobby B and maybe even Bobby J – then I probably wouldn’t hesitate. But we’re finally trying to get some young guys and we’re using the draft, you don’t get rid of those players just so you can lose your trade in a year or so. Then we’d be back to square one.
I personally don’t like what teams are offering us for John. An expiring piece isn’t enough. Why are we just trying to dump players? Shouldn’t we also try to get someone that is young and can play? I’d like to get someone out of these trades.
I’m glad Portland is still involved with us, but I want something more from them.
Bballkingsrock
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Any more rumors flying out there?
Circa_1985_Fan
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Um...read the past 3 pages in this thread. lol
Entity
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Thats cool it would save us about 2mil in a buyout or having to have Mikki on the team again next year.
Kings Faithful
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How come i feel like the Kings are everyones ***** in the NBA? I feel like everyone is out just to screw us over (because they are) but no one is willing to actually take on a fair deal this year. I actually do like the Channing Frye deal somewhat, if they could just add a little more I'd bight. We could use a solid back-up PF this year.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah, and I'd do it just to get the LATTER of the two things.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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Agree 100%
Ive been saying this since the Amare Rumors started.
You dont trade the #1 AND Thompson .. But you trade Thompson and Hawes if you need to.
Think about it, you trade Thompson , or Hawes and Thompson and you come into next year with Griffin and Stoudemire or Thabeet and Stoudemire. That is a very good 4-5 ..
As far as Amare's numbers being better because of who he plays with, You could make the same arguement that his numbers are worse because shaq demands the ball so much and clogs up the paint.
=LarryLegend=
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What about John Salmons for Channing Frye, Sergio and portlands 1st.
barndoggie
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i saw an artical this morning but wasn't to sure where that knick might not resign nate robinson i wonder if we could get him in the b52 trade. miller for nate and rose and we through in the cash consideration we got in the artest trade.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah, I'd do it...but PHX is probably looking to get younger at the point too, since Nash isnt getting any younger...and they probably are looking to draft PG with whatever draft pick they get this year, be it sticking with just their own, or getting one in return for Amare.
Section 101
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Um...Miller/KT and a late first?
Again, we are busily underselling a 4 time all star/All NBA player here. A 26yr old 5x All Star at that.
It's not about his value and underselling him. It's about his value to the Kings. I don't see him coming in like Webber did and turning things around. It's more like the Artest trade that just turned it around for 1.5 years.
And without getting a contract extension as part of the trade there is no way I would put JT or this years pick in the trade. You could be out 2 #1 picks for nothing if he leaves in 2010.
Vlade4GM
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2010 is a different offseason than most because so many teams are going to have enough space for max contracts.
nbrans
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But he wouldn't get as much money going to another team. The team with the Bird Rights has the advantage.
How? Everyone in the NBA is gearing up for free agents in 2010. Why would any prime time player choose Sacramento over any other team?
If we trade for Amare, we'd have the ability to sign him a six year deal, as opposed to everyone else only offering five. And it wouldn't matter whether we had cap room or not, as we'd have his rights. And if you don't want to sign him, then you get his contract off the books in 2010 anyways.
You can't assume that just because the team has cap space they're going to land a big time player. Most of the time, free agents stay with their teams. The surest way to land a superstar is to trade for him. If you honestly think our team is better with JT than it would be with Amare, we can have that discussion, but declaring JT untouchable because we're going to sign someone like Amare in a couple of years is short sighted.
SacKings7
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Don't we need to have a player on our team for like 3 years before being able to have their bird rights? Or am I way off?
Don't we need to have a player on our team for like 3 years before being able to have their bird rights? Or am I way off?
From what I understand, the player has to be under contract with the same team for three years for that team to have their Bird rights. But if that player is traded, his Bird rights are traded also. So we had Bibby's Bird rights. We had Webber's Bird rights, even though we hadn't had him for three full seasons yet.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Kings Faithful
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I'm pretty sure you are spot on.
By the way, I'm not sure 2010 is going to be the spend-a-palooza everyone thinks it will be. The current CBA expires in 2011, and I think a lot of people are going to be hesitant to hand out five and six year maximum contracts the year before the CBA expires. LeBron will get his money. DWade will get his. Chris Bosh might. If Boozer doesn't opt out after this season (he might not, considering the year he's having and the economy), he'd be on the bubble.
But I think the next two years of free agency in the NBA are going to be a lot like this year was for Baseball. The stars will get their money (CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira), but the bubble guys will have to settle for less than they expected (Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn).
But I think the next two years of free agency in the NBA are going to be a lot like this year was for Baseball. The stars will get their money (CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira), but the bubble guys will have to settle for less than they expected (Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn).
Vlade4GM
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Yes, but to your point that generally players stick with their teams is based on offseasons that normally don't have as much options as 2010 does.
Section 101
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Name them. It's really not that many teams.
Section 101
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It also means players will want to get grandfathered in on any new deal before the next CBA.
SacKings7
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Oh ok. Thanks. I was unaware that bird rights could be traded. Doesn't really make much sense to me as to why they can be, but can't argue against the system I guess.
ParniValjak
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Its amazing isn't it?!
Um...Miller/KT and a late first?
Again, we are busily underselling a 4 time all star/All NBA player here. A 26yr old 5x All Star at that.
If the roles were reversed and we are the ones selling Amare, those sort of proposals would rightly be laughed at.
Its ridicilous. Amare, depsite all his flaws is a genuine star. A perennial All-star and no one on our current roster is in the same league as him. Never has been and never will be! As good as JT is, its highly unlikely he reaches the heights that Amare has.
And people please stop comparing JT's first year to Amare's first year in the league. Amare was straight out of high-school and putting up those numbers. JT had 4 years of college ball. JT will be a good NBA player but he will never reach Amare's level as a player. Bookmark it!
ParniValjak
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Can you also give me the lotto numbers for this saturday?!
Again, I ask anyone to give me the name of the last MAX type player that has left their team in FA to go to another team under the current CBA?! It DOESN"T happen. No player will walk away from guaranteed $31 million. No one!
Henkel
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Seems simple to me. If you can get Amare for a combination of JT, the Houston pick, and a combination of our expiring/veteran players you do it.
Amare is having a down year and still putting up 22 and 9. Kids a star and people forget that he average around 30ppg in the series against the Spurs a few years ago. Kid put up 30 a game on Duncan and people are complaining about losing JT?
We need a superstar and Amare is as close as we are going to get to that outside of a great draft. I don't want to be the Bulls of last 5 years. A team that drafted all sorts of good players but never made a move to pick up a go to guy.
There are some risks, like if Amare walks in 2010, but you have to take risks when you are the worse team in league. Make the trade, draft a pg, and hope that Amare is like most players and is willing to take the cash that only the Kings will be able to offer in 2010.
Amare is having a down year and still putting up 22 and 9. Kids a star and people forget that he average around 30ppg in the series against the Spurs a few years ago. Kid put up 30 a game on Duncan and people are complaining about losing JT?
We need a superstar and Amare is as close as we are going to get to that outside of a great draft. I don't want to be the Bulls of last 5 years. A team that drafted all sorts of good players but never made a move to pick up a go to guy.
There are some risks, like if Amare walks in 2010, but you have to take risks when you are the worse team in league. Make the trade, draft a pg, and hope that Amare is like most players and is willing to take the cash that only the Kings will be able to offer in 2010.
Aenadin
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the amare trade could be the necessity right now if the maloofs think it will help fill the seats in arco again...
but lets not forget about amare's already surgically repaired knees....
trading up JT for amare then next years draft.... if we do draft blake griffin amare walks... were still set at the pf spot. if we draft rubio and amare walks whos to play at pf.
i wouldnt give up on jt for amare any time soon. and i dont think that trade could be good for sacramento it doesnt help us rebuild any time soon... we want a young potential star.. not a 26 after 4 years turned 30 player with surgically repaired knees.
possible trades would be salmons for bucks alexander and filler.... they need it if they want to push for the playoffs with redd out.
but lets not forget about amare's already surgically repaired knees....
trading up JT for amare then next years draft.... if we do draft blake griffin amare walks... were still set at the pf spot. if we draft rubio and amare walks whos to play at pf.
i wouldnt give up on jt for amare any time soon. and i dont think that trade could be good for sacramento it doesnt help us rebuild any time soon... we want a young potential star.. not a 26 after 4 years turned 30 player with surgically repaired knees.
possible trades would be salmons for bucks alexander and filler.... they need it if they want to push for the playoffs with redd out.
Amare is averaging 21, 8.1, and 1 block this year (his 7th) in 37 minutes. With Steve Nash dishing out assists. For $15.1 mil. He also has 2.9 TO and 2.0 assists. He is 26.
JT is averaging 10.4, 6.8, and 0.5 in his rookie year in 26 minutes under two head coaches and Beno as the PG. For $1.9 mil. And after hitting a rookie wall for a bit has been improving his play. He also has 1.8 TO and 1.0 assist. He is 22.
I have a hard time giving up that quickly on JT. Am I saying he is or will ever be Amare? Heck no. But I also don't think he will command a max contract, either. I would strongly consider saving the $$$ for a top-notch PG or C. Having a couple good #2 and #3 guys is also improtant (JT, Martin, etc.).
Like some others here, I think he would be a nice piece to get, but at what cost in both salary or loss of picks or good young guys? Expirings, etc., I have no problem with, obviously. But giving up JT and our pick and more just rubs me as giving away too much for the salary cap hole we will likely be in, especially if he gets another max contract in 1.5 years. Or bolts. I have a hard time gutting our team for that.
Maybe getting him and planning on packaging him up as an expiring next year to get another big name? That is also a strategy that might work well.
I really waver back and forth on this one.....having a hard time with it......
But I also don't see it happening anyways, as the Maloofs are looking to trip the old guys without adding salary.
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