Landry+Thompson rip people for not knowing plays or wanting to know plays, uh oh!

[Arena Skeptic]

No heads to fall. Make this team and these people solve the problem. All rolled heads do is postpone improvement with no assurance it will happen. If they all have to live in their misery, I think solutions will begin to develop. We've already benched Greene, Omri, Landry, Beno, so now let's try benching Tyreke. Drastic but I believe some have called the present situation drastic.

If the Maloofs do that, the message they send to the fans, casual observers, area residents and, ultimately, the City Council, is a resounding "We don't care."

I hope that's not what they mean to say. I really don't. It already looks to me a lot like the stunt the Padres owners tried to pull about a decade ago.

 

[rhythmless]

Goodbye! See ya when the team is winning again... I'll help back up on the wagon..

There are different ways to lose; the way Kings are doing it is the worst possible way. I don't fault him for wanting to not watch this implosion.

I'd rather have him than the guys who thought this was a playoff team and Tyreke is better than Rose/Westbrook. Where are you guys now?

 

[tjh_32]

Watching every game, the offense always comes to a complete halt when Tyreke decides to post up and make his move. Everyone just stands there and then he drives into a double team or takes a fade away. I think JT, Carl, and Dalembert are all talking about Tyreke. I don't know whether the answer should be to bench Tyreke or to give him some time. He is definitely playing bad, and hopefully when he starts playing better, hopefully it will turn it around. I like Head as a sub but I think Beno needs to be in the game, and running the point. He needs to control the team and run the plays. Tyreke needs to learn to play within the offense and not always him against 5.

 

[The Hammer]

It's possible that 'Team Tyreke' has decided that the Kings org is not best suited to fulfill the 'Plan', due to ownership/location instability. And that they have given up here and are coaching Tyreke to go solo, and play out his rookie deal or eventually get traded. This is entirely possible.

 

[Jechtsphere]

At one point last night, Landry looked really, really mad. And I don't mean mad at what was going on at the time, but mad at the team, if you can see the distinction.

Yup I noticed as soon as he got in there, I like him played mad lol. I thought he was mad at having to come of the bench...he looked more aggressive when he was that way.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've come to the conclusion that this is the worst Kings team ever. That 17 win total from a couple years ago is gonna have some company soon.

At one point last night, Landry looked really, really mad. And I don't mean mad at what was going on at the time, but mad at the team, if you can see the distinction.

For people who want the Kings to stay in town, this particular kind of meltdown couldn't come at a worse time. The volume of comments on sacbee was already way down (before this morning's debacle, where the post count is still zero) this year, and it seems like an increasing number of people who were commenting were more-or-less giving up.

I have given up on this team. They're done. They may not win 15. Of course people want out. And they're going to start publicly begging for trades now. This is hideous.

It's also the kind of thing that happens when you have the lowest payroll in the league. I'd almost swear the Maloofs are building ill-will from the public on purpose.

Also, look in craigslist and ebay for the number of tickets available for a song. One guy was selling 4 $100 seats for $80 total last night. Ouch. Think that season ticket holder will be back next year? I don't. So Gerrould constantly pushes deals during his broadcasts; he spends as much time doing that as anything... Sorry, but saving a $5 service charge doesn't approach 4 $100 seats for a total of $80.

If you really want the Kings to stay in town, you must insist on heads rolling, ASAP. Petrie, Westphal, the broadcast teams, everyone.

17 wins was horrifying. 15 wins would be 3 times as horrifying.

I really must get Jeremy to upgrade that rollie eye smilie some day.

 

[bajaden]

Really? You want fans to go away? Now? That isn't bad timing at all?

Hey, I didn't tell you to leave. You were the one that said you were done with this team. I was just wishing you well and saying goodbye. You want to hang around thats fine. But don't blame your decisions on me.

 

[kingsnation]

It's just amazing how quick a turnaround can be from one year to the next. Last year we had a team that was "on it's way." We had our star, and young bright spots Donte, JT and Omri. A new scorer in Landry and a reborn Beno. On top of that, we had, what seemed to be, pretty good chemistry even though we were losing.

This year we add a defensive stopper in Daly and a possible young star in DMC.

Yet our chemistry is just awful, we can't win at home much less even lead a game for an extended period of time. All of a sudden Donte and Omri don't look so bright. People are calling each other out.. etc. etc.

I think we will win over 15 games but you do have to argue that this team could possibly be worse than the 17-win team from 2 years ago simply because that team had a reason to be a 17 win team. Hawes, Natt, No Reke, etc. This team has no excuses to be this bad.

From last year to now, what's changed?

 

[Asaf]

It's just amazing how quick a turnaround can be from one year to the next. Last year we had a team that was "on it's way." We had our star, and young bright spots Donte, JT and Omri. A new scorer in Landry and a reborn Beno. On top of that, we had, what seemed to be, pretty good chemistry even though we were losing.

This year we add a defensive stopper in Daly and a possible young star in DMC.

Yet our chemistry is just awful, we can't win at home much less even lead a game for an extended period of time. All of a sudden Donte and Omri don't look so bright. People are calling each other out.. etc. etc.

I think we will win over 15 games but you do have to argue that this team could possibly be worse than the 17-win team from 2 years ago simply because that team had a reason to be a 17 win team. Hawes, Natt, No Reke, etc. This team has no excuses to be this bad.

From last year to now, what's changed?

Nothing changed. We looked just as miserable last season (our record in the last 52 games was 11-41). The only difference is that most fans were so blinded by the 20-5-5 chase that they chose to ignore how bad we sucked as a team (and how that chase contributed to our sucktitude), and any voices that tried to bring people's attention to that elephant tearing up the room were promptly silenced, for fear of GSW fans getting more ammo for their Curry case.

 

[cuad]

I've definitely noticed Evans ignoring the plays on multiple occasions, especially after he gets burned on defense or when he decides it's a good time to shoot a jump shot.

 

[bajaden]

There are different ways to lose; the way Kings are doing it is the worst possible way. I don't fault him for wanting to not watch this implosion.

I'd rather have him than the guys who thought this was a playoff team and Tyreke is better than Rose/Westbrook. Where are you guys now?

As far as I know their right here on this fourm. As I never thought the Kings would make the playoffs, I guess I can't speak for them. But I'm a fan. And I'm a fan through the good times and the bad times, not just the good times. Do you think its easy for me to watch this crap? Of course not! But I'm not throwing in the towel because of it. Trust me it would be easy to do. I could find other things to do with my time that would be less stressful. I understand he could have just been making a statement born of emotion. But contrary to what some people might think, words have meaning, and I'll take you at your word. If you don't mean it, don't say it. He said he was done with the team. So I wished him farewell and I said I would welcome him back when the team started winning again, assuming thats what would cause him to return.

Its easy to root for a team when everything is hunky dorey and the team is winning most of the time. Any bimbo out there can do that. Its much harder to root for a team when everything is going south and nothing is working. There's an old saying that you find out who your real friends are when your down and out and really need help. Because all the other so called friends will jump ship. Well it applies to a team as well. You find out who the real fans are when the team going down the toilet. Even those that I might disagree with, because I think they might be overly critical. Because at least they're here and they take the time to give their opinion, which means they must care. Even if I happen to think some of them are slightly derranged. They probably share that opinion of me as well.

Anyway, I was just having fun with him. I should have added a smiley face I guess.

 

[est.1999]

Thank GOD I didn't order league pass this year.

 

[ArcoKings]

http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/01/3223611/its-the-same-old-story.html

Landry said people should get demoted and JT said certain players don't want to know the plays so that they can just do their own thing. Who are they talking about? Omri? Reke?

... and possibly Donte?? I think its good that players get called out (but maybe not to the press). The team should have a closed doors every-man-for-himself-call-out fest, including the coaching staff and G.P., to get all of this crap straightened out. This season can still be salvaged; still about 3/4 left. If everyone gets on the same page there's no reason they can start winning some games. The talent is there to at least be more competitive. And for heaven's sake: TAKE DOWN THE EXTERIOR BANNERS.

 

[pilot305]

Thank GOD I didn't order league pass this year.

LOL...i'm soooo with you on this one!

 

[LWP777]

This board is starting to sound a lot like the Kings team right now -- whiny, cranky, not unified, etc. Countdown until the team announces it's being relocated or contracted???

 

[Rockmeister]

This board is starting to sound a lot like the Kings team right now -- whiny, cranky, not unified, etc. Countdown until the team announces it's being relocated or contracted???

That's what happens when the Kings don't win.

 

[swisshh]

I doubt they don't know the plays. I imagine players see "1-4 flat" called out and are like "**** this **** again". The plays we have seen in the past year and few months of play have not really been all that great and rather one dimensional.

 

[Krunker]

This season can still be salvaged; still about 3/4 left. If everyone gets on the same page there's no reason they can start winning some games. The talent is there to at least be more competitive.

I agree with you there. It's not like some of the old Kings teams when your best guys are Antoine Carr and the L-Train. Then you know it's hopeless until the roster gets totally retooled.

 

[SCKingsfan]

We were cringing every time tyreke touched the ball last night, and everytime he came in the game they went flat. There is someting going on with him beyond the foot isssues, I am certain.

 

[Bricklayer]

We were cringing every time tyreke touched the ball last night, and everytime he came in the game they went flat. There is someting going on with him beyond the foot isssues, I am certain.

See ths is jsut not accurate. Its being said a lot, but ther was a huge gap between first half and second half, and in the first half Tyreke was leading the charge. Second half I obviously agree, but people are talking about this like its a monolithic block, an it hasn't been. There are times when his play almost approaches what it was last year. Then there are times where just...dunno, complete imposter. to say though that you were cringing on every touch of a 13pt 7ast first half that led most of the way is just odd, and I suspect not what you meant.

 

[moosehog]

100% joking. People these days call "rascist" at the silliest things.

 

[Gary]

Dun, da-dun dun.....

Who could these non play knowers be...

Cuz? Omri? Donte? Aren't many left.

Can't be Cuz because he never gets the ball anyway.

EDIT: Personally I think it's Evans and Greene both.. Evans does not run an offense the way it should be ran. We would probably be a better team without him on the floor right now. As for Greene, he's a 6'11 version of Quincy Douby. He shouldn't be in the NBA.

 

[One and Done]

What this sounds like - in a nutshell - is that a few players have given up on winning/team-play or coaching and are simply "playing for stats." This is historically a problem on losing teams...I'd sure hate to hear that the problem is Tyreke.

 

[Bricklayer]

As for Greene, he's a 6'11 version of Quincy Douby. He shouldn't be in the NBA.

Again with the need for a better rollie smiley.

People have said so many darn right silly reactionary things in the last 2-3 weeks that its mind boggling. Its going to take a full on server crash to save most of this board from forever having to explain how they decided that x was a scrub, y was terrible for the team, z needed to be traded etc, for years to come.

 

[SCKingsfan]

See ths is jsut not accurate. Its being said a lot, but ther was a huge gap between first half and second half, and in the first half Tyreke was leading the charge. Second half I obviously agree, but people are talking about this like its a monolithic block, an it hasn't been. There are times when his play almost approaches what it was last year. Then there are times where just...dunno, complete imposter. to say though that you were cringing on every touch of a 13pt 7ast first half that led most of the way is just odd, and I suspect not what you meant.

granted, yes, I was talking only about the 2nd half. probably a reflection of the fact that i missed the 1st half on the phone with the at&t tech person about a bad connection. but felt similiarly in the 2nd half of the last game (when tyreke also started strong). play just looked sloppy but perhaps he's never experienced an injury that he felt would limit his ability to dominate one-on-one the way he's capable. i want to believe that is the primary issue but not so sure

 

[Kingster]

Not knowing the plays is a negative obviously.

But calling out the players who don't run the plays properly is a positive. Long term, this could be very good for the Kings, as ultimately teams have to police themselves.

Beno, Tyreke, Cousins - that's my guess.

It may not be a willful disregard of a "play" either. These plays have options to them, depending upon the defense. It's not just remembering, its reacting. So the disregarding of the play may just be because at this stage in the young player's development he hasn't gotten down the correct reaction, and then decides to embark on his own path when the defense gets tighter in the second half.

 

[pshn80]

I agree with you there. It's not like some of the old Kings teams when your best guys are Antoine Carr and the L-Train. Then you know it's hopeless until the roster gets totally retooled.

Ah contrare! I was there for those and they'd win their share. And the consistency was much better then, win or lose. Not a good parallel for how it is now.

 

[pshn80]

See ths is jsut not accurate. Its being said a lot, but ther was a huge gap between first half and second half, and in the first half Tyreke was leading the charge. Second half I obviously agree, but people are talking about this like its a monolithic block, an it hasn't been. There are times when his play almost approaches what it was last year. Then there are times where just...dunno, complete imposter. to say though that you were cringing on every touch of a 13pt 7ast first half that led most of the way is just odd, and I suspect not what you meant.

Well I cringed everytime he took a jump shot, first and second half. You're right about his ups and downs, but as the No. 1 choice he's been having too many and too significant down side offerings. Do I stick with him? Absolutely. Do I think the team might want to do something about it? Absolutely. But what? You'd have to tell me the best answer. I've suggested a few things but what is the right move?

 

[bajaden]

Not knowing the plays is a negative obviously.

But calling out the players who don't run the plays properly is a positive. Long term, this could be very good for the Kings, as ultimately teams have to police themselves.

Beno, Tyreke, Cousins - that's my guess.

It may not be a willful disregard of a "play" either. These plays have options to them, depending upon the defense. It's not just remembering, its reacting. So the disregarding of the play may just be because at this stage in the young player's development he hasn't gotten down the correct reaction, and then decides to embark on his own path when the defense gets tighter in the second half.

If you heard the entire interview, they were being asked about their play starting the third quarter. Beno and Cousins weren't on the floor then. Now if it was Cousins, at least he would have some sort of excuse since he's a rookie. But I think they were talking about the starting 5. At least Thompson and Dalembert were.

 

[bajaden]

Ah contrare! I was there for those and they'd win their share. And the consistency was much better then, win or lose. Not a good parallel for how it is now.

Ahhhhh, how I yearn for the Tizzy rules....