Landry+Thompson rip people for not knowing plays or wanting to know plays, uh oh!
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I'll have to check that particular play out.
I've just rewatched a lot of the second half. Maybe some players have not run the plays properly, but from what I saw, it was turnovers and missed shots that caused the problem, not missed plays.
Tyreke is playing horribly. He's not a positive out there; he's a negative right now. He's a turnover waiting to happen, forcing plays, obviously not hitting his shots. If he put a mask on and had a different number, everybody would be calling for him to be benched. That's at least 80% of the Kings' problem right now, not the other stuff.
I've just rewatched a lot of the second half. Maybe some players have not run the plays properly, but from what I saw, it was turnovers and missed shots that caused the problem, not missed plays.
Tyreke is playing horribly. He's not a positive out there; he's a negative right now. He's a turnover waiting to happen, forcing plays, obviously not hitting his shots. If he put a mask on and had a different number, everybody would be calling for him to be benched. That's at least 80% of the Kings' problem right now, not the other stuff.
And this is exactly what our young players are failing to do. And the fans still put the fault on Westphal.
I am pretty sure those players were asked to practice and have done a lot of practices and for some reason cannot function very well within a system. Are they too young or somewhat too immature? Probably inexperience? If that is the case, then all we can do is be patient and hope for the fruit to get ripe ASAP.
I believe these things are not on Westphal. We have a NEW team. Most are young and inexperience. If they get less time playing because they are not playing well on games, so be it. It is not as if all the names in this team is Evans and Cousins. This is the most impactful way of making players do what they are supposed to do inside the court. Let us not put on Westphal the fault whenever we don't see our underachieving favorite player (a good example is Greene and Casspi) not playing on games.
I am pretty sure those players were asked to practice and have done a lot of practices and for some reason cannot function very well within a system. Are they too young or somewhat too immature? Probably inexperience? If that is the case, then all we can do is be patient and hope for the fruit to get ripe ASAP.
I believe these things are not on Westphal. We have a NEW team. Most are young and inexperience. If they get less time playing because they are not playing well on games, so be it. It is not as if all the names in this team is Evans and Cousins. This is the most impactful way of making players do what they are supposed to do inside the court. Let us not put on Westphal the fault whenever we don't see our underachieving favorite player (a good example is Greene and Casspi) not playing on games.
The numbers, which admittedly don't include last night's game here, say otherwise: http://www.82games.com/1011/1011SAC.HTM
That's complete bullcrap my friend, and you know it. Everyone saw with their own eyes the defensive improvement when Donte and Head were added to the starting lineup. We were ranked #1 defensively over the 5 game stretch leading up to last game, and Brick made a thread posting the stats.
If you want to say Donte leaves a lot to be desired on the offensive end, I can't disagree. But the defense we have seen since Donte/Head entered the starting lineup has been night and day compared to the stetch leading up to it. Donte has been a huge part of it. Even on offense, he's shown he's the only wing we have with the capability to slash to the hoop aggressively. We all know Omri and Cisco won't.
If you want to say Donte leaves a lot to be desired on the offensive end, I can't disagree. But the defense we have seen since Donte/Head entered the starting lineup has been night and day compared to the stetch leading up to it. Donte has been a huge part of it. Even on offense, he's shown he's the only wing we have with the capability to slash to the hoop aggressively. We all know Omri and Cisco won't.
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I dunno... I guess I am seeing something different than you all are. I just see someone out there who is chucking up shots, and shooting at a 20% clip from 3pt land which was supposed to be his specialty. Defensively he's fine but the way he's playing offensively I don't think he belongs int he NBA. There are plenty of defenders without an offensive game in the D-League right now.. I know, I know... Greene DOES have an offensive game, but I just don't think he's much better than a D-Leaguer would be for us, plus he's not working well in the starting unit offensively. Yes, I watch every game. Just my opinion.
Wow, after all this time of being frustrated that the offense just in non-existent, I find out that some of the players don’t know the plays!
I think there’s no other place to go but up. And maybe that’s all we need – several players calling out other no-name players. Maybe that’s all we need to get in check because I can’t imagine it getting worse...And I can see this season being turned around.
I think there’s no other place to go but up. And maybe that’s all we need – several players calling out other no-name players. Maybe that’s all we need to get in check because I can’t imagine it getting worse...And I can see this season being turned around.
Well he's only taking about 6 shots a game. That hardly makes him a ball hog or a loose canon chucker. His average is down, thats for sure, but he's been told that the number one thing he has to do to stay on the floor is play defense. Which he's been doing a pretty good job of, if you forget about the Danny Granger game. And in that game, I don't think anyone could have stopped Granger.
Look, he's not perfect, but he's still learning the game. We need to decide something here. We're either going to accept the fact that we have a bunch of young players on our team, many of whom have only played one year of college basketball and wouldn't even have graduated from college yet, and that they need time to develop, or we need to throw the entire experiment out the window and just try and fill up the roster with experienced freeagents and hope for the best. In one secenario you know exactly what to expect. There's a track record to go on. In the other, your betting your future on the promise of the development of young players.
If you've drafted correctly the latter has higher potential, but you have to be patient and quit trying to throw the baby out with the bath water. Right now, we as fans are overreacting to everything. Cousins gets thrown out of practice and the sky is falling. As Jerry Reynolds pointed out on the wise guys, Danny Ainge was thrown out of practice many times, and it was no big deal. It happens all the time across the NBA, but because its Cousins, we make it into a big deal. Tryeke is struggling right now. Obviously there's some physical problems going on as well as teams playing him differently this year. I don't know how many people remember, but last year the same thing happened to Derrick Rose for about 20 some odd games. He struggled, but he adjusted. And he didn't adjust by sitting on the bench, or by being moved to a different position.
Players change. They get better over time. Does anyone remember Roy Hibberts first year in the NBA? Look at him now! Guess what? He improved! He got better. Things don't remain static. But greatness, or even becoming good, doesn't happen overnight. Its not like a carwash where in a matter of minutes you go from being dirty to clean. Its a slow process, and every player isn't the same. They're not robots, they're human beings with emotions and different skill levels. They're not all going to arrive at the same destination at the same time.
Are there days when you get up and don't feel good, or just out of synch with everything else thats going on around you? Do you think thats unique to just you? Don't you think Players get out of bed feeling the same way on some mornings. The difference is, that they're getting paid millions to produce. They have to walk out on the court in front of thousands of people and do their craft. You and I don't. We can hang out in the bathroom a little more during the day. Take a little longer lunch break, and maybe beg off work a little earlier than usual. They don't have that luxury. Anything wrong with them is exposed right out there on the court. And we judge them solely on that performance. No excuses.
I'm not saying to not judge them, or their performance. I'm saying you need to keep perspective. Players aren't videos that will give you the same story every time you play it. The story is going to change from time to time and over time. To expect otherwise means you living in a fantasy world. And remember, Humpty Dumpty also lived in the world.
Look, he's not perfect, but he's still learning the game. We need to decide something here. We're either going to accept the fact that we have a bunch of young players on our team, many of whom have only played one year of college basketball and wouldn't even have graduated from college yet, and that they need time to develop, or we need to throw the entire experiment out the window and just try and fill up the roster with experienced freeagents and hope for the best. In one secenario you know exactly what to expect. There's a track record to go on. In the other, your betting your future on the promise of the development of young players.
If you've drafted correctly the latter has higher potential, but you have to be patient and quit trying to throw the baby out with the bath water. Right now, we as fans are overreacting to everything. Cousins gets thrown out of practice and the sky is falling. As Jerry Reynolds pointed out on the wise guys, Danny Ainge was thrown out of practice many times, and it was no big deal. It happens all the time across the NBA, but because its Cousins, we make it into a big deal. Tryeke is struggling right now. Obviously there's some physical problems going on as well as teams playing him differently this year. I don't know how many people remember, but last year the same thing happened to Derrick Rose for about 20 some odd games. He struggled, but he adjusted. And he didn't adjust by sitting on the bench, or by being moved to a different position.
Players change. They get better over time. Does anyone remember Roy Hibberts first year in the NBA? Look at him now! Guess what? He improved! He got better. Things don't remain static. But greatness, or even becoming good, doesn't happen overnight. Its not like a carwash where in a matter of minutes you go from being dirty to clean. Its a slow process, and every player isn't the same. They're not robots, they're human beings with emotions and different skill levels. They're not all going to arrive at the same destination at the same time.
Are there days when you get up and don't feel good, or just out of synch with everything else thats going on around you? Do you think thats unique to just you? Don't you think Players get out of bed feeling the same way on some mornings. The difference is, that they're getting paid millions to produce. They have to walk out on the court in front of thousands of people and do their craft. You and I don't. We can hang out in the bathroom a little more during the day. Take a little longer lunch break, and maybe beg off work a little earlier than usual. They don't have that luxury. Anything wrong with them is exposed right out there on the court. And we judge them solely on that performance. No excuses.
I'm not saying to not judge them, or their performance. I'm saying you need to keep perspective. Players aren't videos that will give you the same story every time you play it. The story is going to change from time to time and over time. To expect otherwise means you living in a fantasy world. And remember, Humpty Dumpty also lived in the world.
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If they do, you should not hear any of it. In the world of sports, a team is a family, a sport is the world, and the media are just gossipers. If you do get to hear it, then it is gossip and backhanded talk. "Calling someone out" should be done within the team, and when media catches wind, you do everything you can to publicly say that you are sticking by your family through thick and thin.
The media is not the place for it. We love it, websites love it, but it is absolutely cancer to a young struggling team. This kind of crap doesn't allow a proper rebuttal. You say something, it gets printed. Where do I respond? Even if I say soemthing back to you privately, what you said was already everywhere. This kind of stuff festers.
I get that you need to vent. I get that with the constant quetsions, sometimes you say things. But complaining to a reporter is not the way you build a team.
I get that you need to vent. I get that with the constant quetsions, sometimes you say things. But complaining to a reporter is not the way you build a team.
Well it seems apparent that they obviously are frustrated with how the team is playing selfish and has no identity. Hence speaking out loud and doing so before thinking about what to say. I can understand why they do it, I'm not saing I approve of calling out your team in the media but if they don't, who will? It's not like we aren't a disaster as it is, maybe this will stir the drink a bit for good or for worse.
LOL you people never forget.. I still think defensively he's a candidate.. If he ever gets elected to the HOF you better be eating some crow. I do believe because of Detroits playoff play and championship he might make it probably later though than sooner.
Not sure why there is so much Greene love going on here. I just don't think he's that good.. Then you have a a retard saying "durrrr sign antonio anderson durrrr". As if he was trying to be funny or something because I brought up an idea of giving the guy a tryout based on watching him about 50 times at Memphis.
I just don't think Greene is that good and I will leave it at that. If you people disagree then you disagree. just keep the stupid comments to yourself (referring to the idiot that commented on Antonio Anderson).
Not sure why there is so much Greene love going on here. I just don't think he's that good.. Then you have a a retard saying "durrrr sign antonio anderson durrrr". As if he was trying to be funny or something because I brought up an idea of giving the guy a tryout based on watching him about 50 times at Memphis.
I just don't think Greene is that good and I will leave it at that. If you people disagree then you disagree. just keep the stupid comments to yourself (referring to the idiot that commented on Antonio Anderson).
Insult? That was Gary being nice.. 
I didn't think personal insults, or severe rudeness was allowed on this forum?
EDIT: OK.. Went back at the Thabeet threads.. I can call a lot of people out just on Thabeet, McGee, Alexander, Arthur and not liking Westbrook, or Love. Of course then people will bring up that I am a fan of DeAndre Jordan or Shelden Williams (who was my favorite college player when he played for Duke). At least most of my picks have been pretty spot on in the last couple years! lol
Oh and don't make me bring up Boone or Armstrong. I got a lot of flack for saying those two were busts. Almost as much flack as I got for hating on Thabeet.
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I'll bite
I think Greene is trying to play within the parameters that PW set for him to get play time. Which is play defense - shoot the open shot (whether it goes in or not). He has shown his athleticism to create for himself and others although it tended to be more flashier in the past then now. Casspi seems to be the more consistant shooter and aggressor on defense but at times we see him go into tunnel mode and forget others are on the team and instead of making the easy pass he takes a tougher road to the hoop - which is annoying to some of us, this is something Donte doesn't do. Casspi while reports of his defense being improved really hasn't shown much of it throughout the season, we have enough trouble containing these elite scoring wings and they seem to burn Casspi at will while Donte seems to slow them down (but you already know this). I think really what it comes down to is the visual impact seen on the defensive end.
Both players have a ways to go but they're both young luckily. They both need to work on their game a lot and other aspects - but if a trade were to be made for a more complete SF I think it would benefit us otherwise we're stuck with growing pains and us seeing their worst until we see their best.
I think Greene is trying to play within the parameters that PW set for him to get play time. Which is play defense - shoot the open shot (whether it goes in or not). He has shown his athleticism to create for himself and others although it tended to be more flashier in the past then now. Casspi seems to be the more consistant shooter and aggressor on defense but at times we see him go into tunnel mode and forget others are on the team and instead of making the easy pass he takes a tougher road to the hoop - which is annoying to some of us, this is something Donte doesn't do. Casspi while reports of his defense being improved really hasn't shown much of it throughout the season, we have enough trouble containing these elite scoring wings and they seem to burn Casspi at will while Donte seems to slow them down (but you already know this). I think really what it comes down to is the visual impact seen on the defensive end.
Both players have a ways to go but they're both young luckily. They both need to work on their game a lot and other aspects - but if a trade were to be made for a more complete SF I think it would benefit us otherwise we're stuck with growing pains and us seeing their worst until we see their best.
I just think with Donte's defense and knowing his role in the offense he is better suited as anybody we got for the SF position. I think he plays within himself on offense and does a nice job of moving without the ball (probably as good as anybody on the team). He needs to work on his handle still as he dribbles to far away from his body.