Landry+Thompson rip people for not knowing plays or wanting to know plays, uh oh!

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The Hammer

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Wow. Just wow. Finally some truth talk. And some sense being made. But wow. The fact that it was repeated by JT, Dally, Head, and Landry tells me it's absolutely the truth, and that some do know the plays, and others don't. But not knowing the plays? Are you kidding me? In the NBA? I've never even really heard of that. I mean that didn't even occur to me that that would be a problem. I'm a little flabbermagasted, but also finally relieved that this is coming to light. Good job Landry, JT, Head, and Dally for speaking out.

Maybe that's what some of this benching has been about.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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The Hammer said:
Wow. Just wow. Finally some truth talk. And some sense being made. But wow. The fact that it was repeated by JT, Dally, Head, and Landry tells me it's absolutely the truth, and that some do know the plays, and others don't. But not knowing the plays? Are you kidding me? In the NBA? I've never even really heard of that. I mean that didn't even occur to me that that would be a problem. I'm a little flabbermagasted, but also finally relieved that this is coming to light. Good job Landry, JT, Head, and Dally for speaking out.

Maybe that's what some of this benching has been about.
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I think in the highlighted case, Its the kettle calling the teapot black.
 
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The Hammer

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Tetsujin said:
I think in the highlighted case, Its the kettle calling the teapot black.
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I'd be shocked if that was the case. He's a solid vet. Thing is when one or two people on the court don't know the plays, the whole thing breaks down, and then you've got all the players just looking for a shot. I have a feeling he knows the plays, but that when things break down so often, he just does his best to shoot when open or go iso to create a shot. Takes five dudes to play basketball.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Well, considering that it was Head, Dalembert, JT, Donte, and Tyreke on the floor in those critical minutes in the 3rd when everything came crashing down and they lost the game.... those quotes are either hypocritical, or they are referring to Donte & Tyreke.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Lockehead said:
Grant mentioned that Reke said some players werent running plays that he was calling out.
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and if that's the case, that would leave one guy unspoken for :
Donte Greene.

Was he the same guy who missed a lot of time because he was working his off-season weight off, instead of practicing with the team?
 
Bricklayer

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The Hammer said:
I'd be shocked if that was the case. He's a solid vet. Thing is when one or two people on the court don't know the plays, the whole thing breaks down, and then you've got all the players just looking for a shot. I have a feeling he knows the plays, but that when things break down so often, he just does his best to shoot when open or go iso to create a shot. Takes five dudes to play basketball.
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I don't know -- when things went south Head was one of the guys gunning, Greene the other. Since I rarely am even able to discern what these alleged plays have been, I can't really answer it. You see Beno and to a lesser degree Reke frequently waving and pointing at guys to come out and set a pick or some such. Is that them telling guys where they are supposed to be? Or them breaking the play to set things up pickup style. Cousins' adventures would suggest him possibly, especially after he kind of renewed things a bit by saying he thought different strategies should be used. Omri has visibly chafed at his role. Head does some very strange things out there. Its a hard charge, but who exactly have we seen look like they have it all down out there? And if we do have such a player, and nobody else has it down, how could we tell he had it right and everybody else wrong?
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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Tyreke's made several allusions to this issue before, and there were some hints of it in his postgame quotes again:


Second half
“We didn’t come out aggressive. We didn’t know where to be. After that Granger just caught fire and took the lead and from there we played catch up.”
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Forcing shots
In practice we’re doing good. When it comes down to the game it’s a different story. We just kind of lose focus. We just have to stay focus and working on our concentration.
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And of course Westphal has been talking around it for weeks:
On this being the third game in a row where there is a lull offensively in the second half
“I think that the other teams might adjust to our first option and try to take us into our second and third options – that’s what we’ve been working on a lot in practice even though tonight I didn’t think that was it so much. I just thought that we didn’t pursue the plays with precision. It’s like we just kind of rolled ourselves into a play and didn’t really set screens, didn’t really get it up quick and (didn’t) move the ball. We have been working on that and I don’t understand why we do that to ourselves, but it certainly was apparent tonight. I think Indiana is certainly a very good defensive team but I didn’t think they were doing anything real different during that stretch than they’d been doing before that or after that.”
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IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Bricklayer said:
I just thought that we didn’t pursue the plays with precision. It’s like we just kind of rolled ourselves into a play and didn’t really set screens, didn’t really get it up quick and (didn’t) move the ball.
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[socratic dialogue]So who's job is it to set screens in the 3rd qtr where it all broke down? [/socratic]
 
FaStRmAn

FaStRmAn

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I think the trouble is this team has fundamental problems running plays in the half court set. And since most of the game of NBA Basketball is in the Half Court, the Kings are losing games. If it was just one player not running the plays, that person would already be benched. We only have one rookie. Does he seem to run any organized sets? We have a few young players who might not be running the offense correctly. Donte has been blamed for this before. I wonder if Donte is just freelancing on the court and not running the plays that the coaches draw up? But the fact that we are NOT running organized plays might be improved by getting a Veteran point guard to start the offense. We do not appear to have a point guard. We have 3 combo guards (Tyreke, Beno, Head) trying to start and run the offense. Maybe if we had a true point guard who knows the offense getting the ball up the floor and starting the offensive sets earlier, it may result in more made shots. Maybe Pooh Jeter (Darrick's Bro) needs to get more burn. He has been with the club a while, and must know a few of the plays for sure. Let him get some run and lets see where the ball stops at that point. It is time that Westphal stop pointing out that the offense isn't being run properly and start fixing where the offense is breaking down. He has the luxury of going over tape, and should be able to see EXACTLY where the play is breaking down. My fear is the play is breaking down when Tyreke is getting the ball. If that is the case, the Play will NEVER develop at all. Time for PW to earn his CHECK!
 
FaStRmAn

FaStRmAn

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IfAt1st said:
and if that's the case, that would leave one guy unspoken for :
Donte Greene.

Was he the same guy who missed a lot of time because he was working his off-season weight off, instead of practicing with the team?
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I think much of Donte's problems stem from the fact that he is no longer hitting his shots. His percentage must be WAY down this season. When he is hitting his 3's, this team is hard to guard. He has missed wide open shots all season long. This goes back to the fact that he came to camp WAY out of shape and lost his starting position to Twinkies and Ho Ho's! Then he rides the bench for the first week or 2 to get back in shape. Now his shot isn't falling. I don't understand why Donte didn't get in better shape over the summer. MAYBE it's time for him to turn OFF the "Donte Green" show, and turn on some GAME TAPE! Because the alternative is putting in Omri, whose defense has looked very bad most of this season. For a team trying to improve their defense, Omri gets burned a lot in the half court AND in transition. I see Omri getting scored on a lot. So, our problem looks to me to be at the SF position. But how does PW fix the problem with one out of shape guy who is missing his shot and one guy who dont play good enough defense to stay on the floor? They really need to bring in another Small Forward to challange for that position. Wright was the wrong answer, but perhaps the Kings can acquire another player who would play better than the 2 bench players we are trying to start at the SF position. And what is up with Garcia? He was doing well early but has really looked lost out there the last few games. I always thought they could play Garcia a few minutes at the 3 to get more scoring, but he hasn't played well lately. The Kings have problems at key positions, and the lack of talent on this roster is noticeable. Kings need a starter at the 3 spot, and a veteran PG who can run the offense better.
 
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Prince_XY

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I guess we have to suggest firing Westphal for this too. He is the coach and if some players cannot learn and are making some mistakes it is his fault. I feel sorry for Westphal for taking all the blame for his young team's inadequacies. :p
 
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Rookie

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I do blame the coach for players not learning and being organized. IMO that's one of the major requirement for being a coach, especially one that's getting pay millions. Missing free throws, can't make an open shot, turnovers and the likes would be on the players.

WP better find ways to get the team to learn to play cohesively, if not we do have to find a new coach. Knowing that your team is not getting it and just continue quoting it is not good enough for me.
 
bajaden

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I've said for a couple of weeks now that there was trouble in river city. It was only a matter of time before it started to boil over. As I said yesterday, Cousins outburst was only the tip of the iceberg. Players are starting to point fingers, and thats not a good thing. Lack of focus is a lame excuse. Thats not what I see. I see freelancing. People, at least some people just aren't running the plays they're susposed to run. All it takes in one player to not do his part and the whole thing falls apart, and the next thing you know everybody is trying to make it happen on their own.

After the game Marty McNeal asked Westphal why he waited so long to bring Beno into the game when the Kings couldn't find a way to score, considering that Beno had scored 15 pts in the first half and didn't miss a shot. Westphal said that Tyreke is our guy. I can't take him out of the game just because he misses a few shots. He's our guy and I have to give him time on the floor. I didn't want to take Head out because he was the only player scoring, and he was playing good defense..

I think Thompson summed it up best. He said it wasn't that players didn't know the plays. Its that they just want to do their own thing. To keep this in reference, they were talking about the start of the third quarter when the only players on the floor were, Dalembert, Thompson, Greene, Evans, and Head. If you want to take Head, Thompson, and Dalembert at their word, then they had to be talking about either Greene or Evans. If you ask me which of those two might be the one that forgets plays, I'd probably say Greene. If you ask me who of those two might want to do his own thing, I'd probably say Evans. Pure speculation. Considering that Thompson and Greene are close friends, I doubt Thompson would throw Greene under the bus.

It might be time for one of those players only meetings. When you have a rookie on his first NBA team in Cousins saying that when he goes practice there's like a black cloud hanging over everything, and everyone seems negative, its hard, because all I want to do is win.
 
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I've come to the conclusion that this is the worst Kings team ever. That 17 win total from a couple years ago is gonna have some company soon.

At one point last night, Landry looked really, really mad. And I don't mean mad at what was going on at the time, but mad at the team, if you can see the distinction.

For people who want the Kings to stay in town, this particular kind of meltdown couldn't come at a worse time. The volume of comments on sacbee was already way down (before this morning's debacle, where the post count is still zero) this year, and it seems like an increasing number of people who were commenting were more-or-less giving up.

I have given up on this team. They're done. They may not win 15. Of course people want out. And they're going to start publicly begging for trades now. This is hideous.

It's also the kind of thing that happens when you have the lowest payroll in the league. I'd almost swear the Maloofs are building ill-will from the public on purpose.

Also, look in craigslist and ebay for the number of tickets available for a song. One guy was selling 4 $100 seats for $80 total last night. Ouch. Think that season ticket holder will be back next year? I don't. So Gerrould constantly pushes deals during his broadcasts; he spends as much time doing that as anything... Sorry, but saving a $5 service charge doesn't approach 4 $100 seats for a total of $80.

If you really want the Kings to stay in town, you must insist on heads rolling, ASAP. Petrie, Westphal, the broadcast teams, everyone.

17 wins was horrifying. 15 wins would be 3 times as horrifying.
 
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By the way, I wanted to laugh out loud here at Voisin's blog post from yesterday that the real reason the Kings were so frustrated was that they should have been 8-7, not 4-11 (now, of course, 4-12).

The only way the Kings could possibly be 8-7 would be if they joined the WAC.
 
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pshn80

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No heads to fall. Make this team and these people solve the problem. All rolled heads do is postpone improvement with no assurance it will happen. If they all have to live in their misery, I think solutions will begin to develop. We've already benched Greene, Omri, Landry, Beno, so now let's try benching Tyreke. Drastic but I believe some have called the present situation drastic.
 
bajaden

bajaden

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Arena Skeptic said:
I've come to the conclusion that this is the worst Kings team ever. That 17 win total from a couple years ago is gonna have some company soon.

At one point last night, Landry looked really, really mad. And I don't mean mad at what was going on at the time, but mad at the team, if you can see the distinction.

For people who want the Kings to stay in town, this particular kind of meltdown couldn't come at a worse time. The volume of comments on sacbee was already way down (before this morning's debacle, where the post count is still zero) this year, and it seems like an increasing number of people who were commenting were more-or-less giving up.

I have given up on this team. They're done. They may not win 15. Of course people want out. And they're going to start publicly begging for trades now. This is hideous.

It's also the kind of thing that happens when you have the lowest payroll in the league. I'd almost swear the Maloofs are building ill-will from the public on purpose.

Also, look in craigslist and ebay for the number of tickets available for a song. One guy was selling 4 $100 seats for $80 total last night. Ouch. Think that season ticket holder will be back next year? I don't. So Gerrould constantly pushes deals during his broadcasts; he spends as much time doing that as anything... Sorry, but saving a $5 service charge doesn't approach 4 $100 seats for a total of $80.

If you really want the Kings to stay in town, you must insist on heads rolling, ASAP. Petrie, Westphal, the broadcast teams, everyone.

17 wins was horrifying. 15 wins would be 3 times as horrifying.
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Goodbye! See ya when the team is winning again... I'll help back up on the wagon..
 
bajaden

bajaden

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DocHolliday said:
oh for the love of....I hope that was a sarcastic comment......that saying has been around forever, and has never had a racist connotation.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/287950.html
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I think he was joking. At least I hope so. I remember one time when I was the foreman at the place I worked, and I used the phrase, "Tit for Tat" in front of one of the women workers. She went to management to turn me in for making an obscene comment in front of her. Once I took the encyclopedia and showed her that it was an old english saying, meaning one love tap for another, she realized she was wrong. Shows you have to be careful in todays world. Words that used to be fine have sometimes been bastardized into meaning something else.

Lets see if I can use this example without getting into trouble. In today's world its fine to call a black man a black man. At least I think so unless that one's been changed as well. But if you call him a Negro, your politically incorrect. However, the word Negro is a spanish word meaning black. So if you were to come from another planet, I think you might be confused a little. We live in strange times.
 
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Arena Skeptic said:
By the way, I wanted to laugh out loud here at Voisin's blog post from yesterday that the real reason the Kings were so frustrated was that they should have been 8-7, not 4-11 (now, of course, 4-12).

The only way the Kings could possibly be 8-7 would be if they joined the WAC.
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Now thats just flat out funny!
 
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