Kings Vs. Oklahoma City Thunder (10-22-09, 7p.m.) game thread

[Emma]

Everybody take a long hard look:

This is an NBA referee, the only person on the planet that can do their job incorrectly half of the time and remain employed. The NBA referee is also immortal,

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can run faster than an NBA player with one hand in the air and a whistle in their mouth while facing backwards, and criticizing one will incur monetary damages large enough to force you into a second mortgage. (Crap, my phone just rang .)

If someone who bounces off of a 190 pound point guard (Martin) fouls out for the first time ever, or the opposing team scores over 50 points from the charity stripe, you tend to question the validity of some of their calls. I'm just sayin'. (Please don't go calling the league office to report this post, I beg you.)

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Now our beleaguered Kings face off against the Oklahoma City Thunder. With five games under their belt, and one win, I hope they can suck it up and take advantage. I know Durant and Co. can be lethal, but they are young and inexperienced enough to blow it. Funny that I hope the Thunder lose instead of hoping the Kings win, huh?

Anyway, up to this point in their careers Martin and Durant have been pretty equal contributors to their teams. Soon though, Durant will blow up and realize his full potential. I believe that this year is his year. Keep watching.

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Sorry about the awards, can't concentrate with the flu.
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I have left the predicting to those who wish to participate in the game prediction thread, I believe it is in the fantasy and games forum.

Also, if you have trouble with KHTK's radio/internet feed, please check the opposing team's local radio station websites. That usually produces an interesting feed. GO STEVE HAWES!!!

 

[AriesMar27]

martin has never fouled out before?

 

[Emma]

I don't believe he has, if what I read in the Bee was correct. Martin said he hasn't fouled out since he was in the third grade and the paper didn't correct him. So I took it at face value.

 

[AriesMar27]

damn....

 

[Bricklayer]

martin has never fouled out before?

Consider that the great majority of fouls are accumulated while trying to play defense...

Career 2.0 fls/gm BTW. Its possible.

And brightside, did not see the game but maybe its possible he fouled out because he was actually trying to play some defense. In which case I am rooting for many more foulouts in the future. Just hopefully ones where he lasts more than 25 minutes.

 

[Warhawk]

This is an NBA referee, the only person on the planet that can do their job incorrectly half of the time and retain their job.

Um, baseball players bat 0.300 or so and are considered pretty good. Just sayin'.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Kevin Martin has fouled out of two games before the suns game.... the "haven't fouled out sinec 3rd grade" was kind of a joke i think.

 

[Bricklayer]

Kevin Martin has fouled out of two games before the suns game.... the "haven't fouled out sinec 3rd grade" was kind of a joke i think.

Did you go through all the old boxscores for every game he's played?

Or is there some site that has that info handily displayed -- I can almost picture it. A FO category or some such (maybe a DQ?), but I've totally forgotten who has it.

 

[fnordius]

GO STEVE HAWES!!!

And Sergio Garcia! Or was it Francisco Rodriguez?

 

[Emma]

Um, baseball players bat 0.300 or so and are considered pretty good. Just sayin'.

I knew when I wrote that, that this freakin' baseball stat would come up.

I had a feeling that this would happen too:

Kevin Martin has fouled out of two games before the suns game.... the "haven't fouled out since 3rd grade" was kind of a joke i think.

Thanks alot guys, I was just trying to be funny. You know? Ha. Ha. Sometimes I wonder why I try so hard...

Oh well, over it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Did you go through all the old boxscores for every game he's played?

Or is there some site that has that info handily displayed -- I can almost picture it. A FO category or some such (maybe a DQ?), but I've totally forgotten who has it.

I don't know what the OP did, but Yahoo's player pages have a Game Log section, where the player's line is listed for each game (one season per page). It took about 30 seconds for me to scroll through Kevin's 5 seasons and verify the two instances of 6 fouls.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a site that will distill that data for you easier (because Yahoo's isn't sortable, etc.) but the Yahoo Game Log pages have come in quite handy for me in the past.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't know what the OP did, but Yahoo's player pages have a Game Log section, where the player's line is listed for each game (one season per page). It took about 30 seconds for me to scroll through Kevin's 5 seasons and verify the two instances of 6 fouls.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a site that will distill that data for you easier (because Yahoo's isn't sortable, etc.) but the Yahoo Game Log pages have come in quite handy for me in the past.

Have used that many a time. Did not think/remember that it has PFs though, although I should have.

 

[King Baller]

The Thunder rebuild is ahead of the Kings rebuild by a couple years so this should be a good match-up. I am less concerned with a win now than how the first 8-9 players in the rotation play.

GO KINGS!!!

KB

 

[OvechKiN]

I just want to defend Tyreke a bit here.
I just checked some box scores last night and here are my findings:

Deron Williams (3 assist, 4 TO)
Eric Maynor (4 assist, 5 TO)
Jerryd Bayless (1 assist, 3 TO)
Steve Blake (2 assist, 2 TO)
Brandon Jennings (8 assist, 4 TO)
Ridnour (2 - 2)
Augustin (2 - 3)
L. Williams (3 - 2)
Duhon (8 - 5)
Rondo (7-2)
Flynn (2 - 1)
Billups (5 - 4)
Curry (4 - 3)

Anyways, I dont want to list everyone from last night, but it looks like only Jennings and Rondo had good numbers to be honest. And these are mostly pure PGs.
I haven't really watched any games being from Canada, but from what I read and looking at the stats, I really think that Tyreke will be an absolute stud.
He will learn and get better.
Im gonna pull a prediction out of my ***:

2009/2010 : 16 pts / 5 RB / 6 Assists / 1.5 Steals / 0.9 Blocks / 3.4 TO
2010/2011 : 18.7 pts / 5.6 RB / 6.7 Assists / 2.0 St / 0.8 Blocks / 2.8 TO
2011/2012 : 22.8 pts / 6.0 RB / 6.9 Assists / 2.6 St / 0.9 Blocks / 2.5 TO

Defense gets better every year too

 

[HighTopKicks]

Beside Refs, Senators are the other that get it wrong half the time. And, we impower them to give themselves raises.

The government once did a study. And, they found out that when the legislature tries to fix a problem, 1/2 the time it gets worst. But, the most remarkable finding was, that 1/2 the time when the legislature does nothing, the problem gets better by itself.

 

[CruzDude]

In past and normal seasons (when Kings had them some time ago) the final two game of pre-season were to finalize the starters and 6-9 rotation. This year it may take a while longer to see where Sean May fits in based on matchups and who becomes the 6th man to replace Cisco for a few months.

My guess is 6-10 could be:
Casspi -exciting new rookie
Beno -looking much better off the bench
Noce -dependable vet who has played mostly off bench
May -unknown quantity but full of potential at the 4/5
Brockman -dynamic rebounding rookie and real banger
then Sergio, Greene and K9

Biggest ? is Donte Greene. Does he or doesn't he????? If he does then Wow one assumes he plays to his potential and gets his head into the game and becomes a big time contributor. If he doesn't by All-Star break, he could be gone.

 

[Kingster]

Consider that the great majority of fouls are accumulated while trying to play defense...

Career 2.0 fls/gm BTW. Its possible.

And brightside, did not see the game but maybe its possible he fouled out because he was actually trying to play some defense. In which case I am rooting for many more foulouts in the future. Just hopefully ones where he lasts more than 25 minutes.

Ditto.

 

[gunks]

I'm hoping Noc puts up decent enough numbers to get traded. Miller/Salmons for Nocioni....Worst trade ever (well, second worst).

Methinks the super athletic and defense playing Westbrook is going to force a lot of turnovers out of Reke. We'll still probably get a beastly game out of our rookie though.

I'd like to see JT crush The Thunders' tweener of a PF. Dude has to bounce back.

Lastly I'm hoping Omri shows us that last game was no fluke (not that I'm expecting another 9-14 shooting night), and Hawes....Needs to shoot over 35%.

 

[IDidntDoDat]

I'm hoping Noc puts up decent enough numbers to get traded. Miller/Salmons for Nocioni....Worst trade ever (well, second worst).

Methinks the super athletic and defense playing Westbrook is going to force a lot of turnovers out of Reke. We'll still probably get a beastly game out of our rookie though.

I'd like to see JT crush The Thunders' tweener of a PF. Dude has to bounce back.

Lastly I'm hoping Omri shows us that last game was no fluke (not that I'm expecting another 9-14 shooting night), and Hawes....Needs to shoot over 35%.

Seriously, the more I think about that trade, the more I wanna puke. What a ridiculous trade for us.. Definitely 2-3rd worst that I remember

 

[gunks]

Well...We did also get Drew Gooden

 

[AriesMar27]

Seriously, the more I think about that trade, the more I wanna puke. What a ridiculous trade for us.. Definitely 2-3rd worst that I remember

yeah, it was a dumb trade. it wasnt the first and it wont be the last. the sad part is that we have players that we want to keep. so if one of them is traded and we get another thomas or nocioni its going to hurt. no one cared about salmons or miller thats why most were cool with getting nocioni in the beginning. many of us wanted bibby to be traded, luckily we didnt get any long term garbage in return for him. unless you consider beno being signed as the aftermath of the bibby trade.

 

[VF21]

No, it wasn't a dumb trade. Most people around here were tired of Miller, never did warm up to Salmons and whined about it almost every single time either or both names were brought up.

Petrie found a way to move both of them and actually got an interim player that brought some defensive presence to the team and wasn't the type to make you pull your hair out in frustration.

Now, because of the players we've also acquired, Nocioni is expendable. Since the trade was more about acquiring expiring contracts than it was about Nocioni anyway, that doesn't make it a bad trade. Or is this another case where some people didn't realize what we had until it was gone? Or were Miller and Salmons THAT popular?

I was glad to see both of them leave, both for the sake of the team and the players involved.

 

[AriesMar27]

i was all for trading salmons and miller, but nocioni is useless to this team. we had garcia and greene, we now have casspi and to a lesser extent mason. i dont see how he makes this team better... i love your optimistim though VF, i dont know how you do it....

 

[kennadog]

We needed to get rid of Miller and Salmons. They were taking minutes away from young guys and neither really wanted to be here last year, which was pretty obvious. I don't think Nocioni is all that bad and he may prove to be a piece in a trade with a team who needs some one like him coming from the bench.

The primary reason for the trade was to clear out old vets who were not part of the future and didn't want to play here. Mission accomplished. You really thought we'd get that important a piece in return for Miller and Salmons? As I recall a lot of people around here would've traded Brad for a bag of chips and Salmons for not much more.

 

[VF21]

We needed to get rid of Miller and Salmons. They were taking minutes away from young guys and neither really wanted to be here last year, which was pretty obvious. I don't think Nocioni is all that bad and he may prove to be a piece in a trade with a team who needs some one like him coming from the bench.

The primary reason for the trade was to clear out old vets who were not part of the future and didn't want to play here. Mission accomplished.

Exactly.

 

[VF21]

i was all for trading salmons and miller, but nocioni is useless to this team. we had garcia and greene, we now have casspi and to a lesser extent mason. i dont see how he makes this team better... i love your optimistim though VF, i dont know how you do it....

There's always a but around somewhere in these kinds of deals. I don't think Petrie got on the phone with a burning desire to get Andres Nocioni at all costs. I think he found a taker for Miller and Salmons and had to accept that it wasn't going to be a perfect deal. VERY FEW TRADES are perfect, although arm-chair GMs like to spend hours trying to think of those that would be.

When the trade went down, we didn't have Casspi, we didn't have Mason and Donte Greene hadn't begun to show anything close to fulfillment of all that potential. So where is the part that makes it a bad trade at that point in time when the objective was to move Miller and Salmons?

 

[Jechtsphere]

Looks like Casspi is starting in place of Martin, he has an ankle injury.

Not serious, he should play tommarrow.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Good news for Omri. Making his way up in the rotation, looks like he may have passed Nocioni. If he keeps this up he'll be starting over Mason in no time ..

 

[AriesMar27]

There's always a but around somewhere in these kinds of deals. I don't think Petrie got on the phone with a burning desire to get Andres Nocioni at all costs. I think he found a taker for Miller and Salmons and had to accept that it wasn't going to be a perfect deal. VERY FEW TRADES are perfect, although arm-chair GMs like to spend hours trying to think of those that would be.

When the trade went down, we didn't have Casspi, we didn't have Mason and Donte Greene hadn't begun to show anything close to fulfillment of all that potential. So where is the part that makes it a bad trade at that point in time when the objective was to move Miller and Salmons?

true we didnt have casspi or mason, and greene was a rookie. if petrie didnt wake up wanting to trade for nocioni he shouldnt have done it. im sure he didnt wake up the morning of the webber trade thinking about how great it would be to have kenny thomas as our starting pf either. no one is expecting a perfect trade every time, the bibby trade was a good example of trading a vet and not being stuck with unnecessary players with long contracts.

whats the point of trading a vet that we dont want for a vet that we dont need with a longer contract? only to draft a player at the same position and resign a younger player at the same position to a 5 yr deal. now we have 3 players at the same position signed for at least 3-4 years...

trading for nocioni with the intention of trading him later is the dumbest idea i have ever heard of. he looks useful now but so did kenny thomas, i remember the threads where poster thought that he could be 6th man of the year or that he could play sf like shawn marion. he was a waste of space.... how long will nocioni be here? if he can only score 11 ppg at the age of 30 what happens when he is 33 and is coming off the bench?

 

[AriesMar27]

it sucks that i cant watch the game on league pass tonight.....