I am pretty sure I am in the minority here, but I'm for keeping the core together as opposed to blowing everything up and rebuilding. We have been terrible at rebuilding, look how bad we were from 2006-2020. If Zach would stop forcing passes under the basket leading to turnovers, passing on open shots, or dumping the ball off with 1 second left, that would go a long way right there. It's pretty much better decision-making which should be coachable / learnable. I get he might be stuck in his ways, but a strong coach should be able to make better use of the talent we've got (maybe Christie is the guy with more time, not sure).
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I'm not in any way, shape, or form advocating for the current ownership group, but a good amount of blame for our struggles during the time period that you have indicated can be attributed to our previous ownership group's desire to line their pockets up with money before lining ARCO Arena/Power Balance Pavilion/Sleep Train Arena with banners and trophies. I'm not sure the comparison is fair to either ownership group and, more importantly, the franchise as a whole, as, to me at least, you're trying to compare two completely different eras of Kings basketball.
What I'm basically trying to say here is that it's not fair to the franchise in general to say that we should never rebuild just based on the time period you have indicated when most of the later years were basically spent by the new ownership group trying to fix the crap that the old ownership group created once they pretty much stopped giving an f about fielding a competitive basketball team.
What I'm basically trying to say here is that it's not fair to the franchise in general to say that we should never rebuild just based on the time period you have indicated when most of the later years were basically spent by the new ownership group trying to fix the crap that the old ownership group created once they pretty much stopped giving an f about fielding a competitive basketball team.
Not for much longer, if any longer at all, to be perfectly honest with you. I've said this before, and I will say it again. I am all for the "Let's completely tear this stuff apart and start all over again" approach, because I honestly don't have ANY faith at all in Vivek's ability to be the kind of owner who allows his front office to bring in the necessary players to simply "plug in the missing piece". In order to do this the right way, and become successful long-term, a complete teardown of the current roster as we currently know it is going to be needed, in my honest (and, yes, unfortunate) opinion. The way I see it, unless we don't commit to a full-blown rebuild, we're looking at play-in at best, with an occasional first round exit against the #1 or #2 seed, for the foreseeable future.
Do I like it? Absolutely not.
Do I hate it? Absolutely yes.
It's just something that I've pretty much convinced myself that we will have to do if we want to ever be in the conversation about legitimate championship contenders in the National Basketball Association.
Also, and as I've previously mentioned, I don't mind giving this roster another full season, but if we're still having this conversation next year at this time, my preference would be to tear it all up.
Do I like it? Absolutely not.
Do I hate it? Absolutely yes.
It's just something that I've pretty much convinced myself that we will have to do if we want to ever be in the conversation about legitimate championship contenders in the National Basketball Association.
Also, and as I've previously mentioned, I don't mind giving this roster another full season, but if we're still having this conversation next year at this time, my preference would be to tear it all up.
Honestly, this is why I’m close to out on this franchise. I have no ties anymore to the Sacramento area. Haven’t lived there in almost 30 years and my parents who were still there have both passed on. I do feel it’s likely I will get sucked back in at some point, but I just can’t get excited about a middling team with no upside and no potential long term future to get excited about. And the bigger problem is that even if they give me some winning or some hope, there are only so many Charlie Brown level football pulls I can take with Vivek. There is always something incredibly dumb behind the scenes story that feels likely to be broken.
I’m from Alabama never been to Sacramento. Just been here since Jason Williams was a king. I get league pass every year and I don’t even watch other teams. To be honest I’m wondering if I did start watching another team would I become a fan or has 25 years turned me against all other no matter what.
Because, in some instances, a rebuild COULD actually lead to long-term success much sooner than a reload, especially if you're trying to reload like Vivek has been trying to do since he got here, by "plugging" in pieces here and there in hopes of it working. NOW, with all of that being said, I have not said that I trust Vivek in a rebuild, because he hasn't really shown me enough during a reload in order for me to trust him in a rebuild. However, I am willing to give the guy 2-3 more years if he commits to a full-blown rebuild before officially asking for his head.
Do I trust that Vivek has the smarts to rebuild this franchise back to respectability and to being a legitimate contender like we once had 20+ years ago? Not at all. But, if the guy commits to a rebuild, rather than his usual reload, I'm willing to give him a chance.
Do I trust that Vivek has the smarts to rebuild this franchise back to respectability and to being a legitimate contender like we once had 20+ years ago? Not at all. But, if the guy commits to a rebuild, rather than his usual reload, I'm willing to give him a chance.
My rule this year has been to turn the games off if the Kings get down by 20 points. I have not been to a game either. My hearts been broken too many times.
Last night was no different. But after reading here the Young Fellas got it going in the 3rd quarter I watched just the 3rd quarter this afternoon.
Folks OKC’s lead was 6 points at one point. The Refs proceeded to make some calls I did not agree with in the 4th. So I turned it off.
But 6 points!!!
Last night was no different. But after reading here the Young Fellas got it going in the 3rd quarter I watched just the 3rd quarter this afternoon.
Folks OKC’s lead was 6 points at one point. The Refs proceeded to make some calls I did not agree with in the 4th. So I turned it off.
But 6 points!!!
Paired with acquisitions via free agency and trades, 2-3 years with smart drafting (regardless of draft position) should provide plenty of time to show that things are AT LEAST heading in the right direction. Completing the actual rebuild may take a little longer, but that's also why I wouldn't mind giving Vivek 3 years MAX. If, during that 3-year period, the team is at least showing signs of heading in the right direction, then we ride the ship. If, during that 3-year period, the dude shows the same amount of ineptitude as he's shown during the reload, then I'll be asking for his head.
Overall I find this team to be very dull and uninteresting, so my thing is to tape the game and not watch in realtime. I check the score on my phone while I watch more interesting things. If the game seems to have something of interest like Murray or Carter having a good game I'll watch those parts afterwards. Until I see a path forward that can give a glimmer of a hope of a championship down the line I'll probably continue with this routine.
Then we have gone through 2 rebuilds the past 16 years.
#1 8 years
Year/record/drafted position/Rookie
2009/10 25-57 #4 Evans
2010/11 24-58 #5 Cuz
2011/12 22-44 #7 traded drafted Jimmer. could of had Klay or Leonard. BAD Draft, Maloofed
2012/13 28-54 #5 TRobb passed on Lillard BAD DRAFT, was JT leaving insurance. Maloofed
Start Vivik era, Let Petrie go, Hired Malone, Hired D'Alessandro
2013/14 28-54 #7 McLemore passed on McCollem and Giannis after Petrie recommended on his way out.
2014/15 29-53 #8 Stauskus passed on LaVine
Fired Malone, Hired Karl during season, Fired D'Alessandro, Hired Vlade
2015/16 33-49 #6 WCS passed on Booker
Fired Karl, Hired Joerger
2016/17 32-50 #8 Traded for 2 later picks, took Papa and Skal.
traded Cousins
end rebuild period.
#2 8 years
2017/18 27-55 #5 Drafted Fox
2018/19 39-43 #2 Drafted Bagley over Luka, Highest win total since missing the playoffs.
End of Joerger start Walton
2019/20 31-41 No 1st RD pick
Fired Vlade, Hired McNair
2020/21 31-41 #12 Haliburton
2021/22 30-52 #9 Davion, traded Hali for Sabonis
End Walton start Brown era
2022/23 48-34 #4 Keegan
2023/24 46-36 #24 Traded for seconds weak draft
2024/25 ??-?? #13 Carter
Traded Fox
Both times the rebuild was derailed early by poor decisions.
For the past 3 years we've been in the best position in 20 years. How would trading everyone and starting over be any different?
#1 8 years
Year/record/drafted position/Rookie
2009/10 25-57 #4 Evans
2010/11 24-58 #5 Cuz
2011/12 22-44 #7 traded drafted Jimmer. could of had Klay or Leonard. BAD Draft, Maloofed
2012/13 28-54 #5 TRobb passed on Lillard BAD DRAFT, was JT leaving insurance. Maloofed
Start Vivik era, Let Petrie go, Hired Malone, Hired D'Alessandro
2013/14 28-54 #7 McLemore passed on McCollem and Giannis after Petrie recommended on his way out.
2014/15 29-53 #8 Stauskus passed on LaVine
Fired Malone, Hired Karl during season, Fired D'Alessandro, Hired Vlade
2015/16 33-49 #6 WCS passed on Booker
Fired Karl, Hired Joerger
2016/17 32-50 #8 Traded for 2 later picks, took Papa and Skal.
traded Cousins
end rebuild period.
#2 8 years
2017/18 27-55 #5 Drafted Fox
2018/19 39-43 #2 Drafted Bagley over Luka, Highest win total since missing the playoffs.
End of Joerger start Walton
2019/20 31-41 No 1st RD pick
Fired Vlade, Hired McNair
2020/21 31-41 #12 Haliburton
2021/22 30-52 #9 Davion, traded Hali for Sabonis
End Walton start Brown era
2022/23 48-34 #4 Keegan
2023/24 46-36 #24 Traded for seconds weak draft
2024/25 ??-?? #13 Carter
Traded Fox
Both times the rebuild was derailed early by poor decisions.
For the past 3 years we've been in the best position in 20 years. How would trading everyone and starting over be any different?
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