PurpleHaze
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Yah, maann.
[Game] Kings vs. Clippers, 12/22/2021 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern
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Groovygreg
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Watching the body language of Tyrese on the bench, you can just tell that he HATES to lose and that he expects nothing but the best from himself. That’s a guy I want on my team.
SLAB
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SacTownKid
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
right, no one's calling for him to turn into Eric Bledsoe physically or anything but him getting to a weight where he won't just get immediately bowled over on defense would be nice. It's not like his game is based on his ability to get around guys with his blinding speed anyways.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
poor guy ended up on the wrong team then.
To be fair, if he gets too upset about losing, he'll get Boogie-ed and get called a 'poor sport'.
After three meetings now I'm not impressed with this year's Clippers team. We beat ourselves in the fourth quarter. Guys are backpedaling on defense when they should be holding position. Barnes needs to take open looks when he has them. Buddy gets on a hot streak and wants every shot but after a couple misses we can't just let him shoot us out of the game. Especially not when we aren't getting stops. You get a stop, fine take your heat check but if you're taking the ball out of the net you need to run the offense and keep the score close. We've seen all this before. I feel bad for Tyrese. He looked really upset at the end of the game and I don't blame him. It must have felt like he was playing 1 on 5 out there.
Fox did that several times last year. I share some of your concerns about Fox's game, but *that* he can do - and has done. Hella fun to watch too.
kb02
All-Star
So one game against a young team that plays no defense makes him an offensive beast, who is able to rip opposing team’s defensive hearts out?
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Well, he did hire a personal chef but don't know any details. Sushi chef from Mikuni might not do the trick
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
They're middling but with Kawhi, yeah, they'd be contending for sure this year with the Lakers being garbage.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
There are more, but you can do the leg work.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
There were at minimum two hot steaks off the top of my head last season where Fox was simply unbelievable. Just able to get to the rim at will, blinding speed, the opponents knew it was coming and couldn’t stop it. THAT player is a legit megastar. Two weeks every season doesn’t cut it though … sadly haven’t seen that guy at all this one.
kb02
All-Star
He had a few games last year, but the data shows he’s below average as a clutch player. Beyond the stats, even when he converted in clutch situation, I never felt comfortable with his decision making.
kb02
All-Star
See above.
Considering what happened the last time this guy was significantly injured -- (he disappeared on the Spurs for the entire season, didn't report even after the team's medical staff cleared him and his teammates begged him to, and then demanded a trade when Coach Pop started to get salty about it in his media seasons) -- I wouldn't expect him back any time soon.
Groovygreg
Starter
poor guy ended up on the wrong team then.
Right?
Hopefully, he can have a hand in turning this sorry team around.
I think he’s capable of leading a resurgence - if the FO gives him some talent to work with.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
My favorite part was when his handlers hid him in a hotel broom closet to avoid the Spurs medical staff.
Groovygreg
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Fox's ability to simply destroy an entire team's defensive game plan isn't really up for debate at this point. You can argue pretty much every single thing about him at this point but he's one of maybe 20 or so guys in the league who is capable of just annihilating teams though sheer athletic talent.
It's the question of whether a team can truly contend with him as their first option that seems to be driving this whole discussion but as far as I'm aware absolutely no one out here, not even his staunchest defender, is arguing that so the question then becomes whether you trade him and a bunch of the pieces around him to do a full reset, do a soft reset by sitting him for the season or something like the T-Wolves did with KAT the year they tanked and got Ant-Man, or try going for it now and move future assets and miscellaneous pieces to get that top option to pair with your second/third options in Fox and Haliburton.
If we're trying to win now by trading Fox, it has to be a first option. Period. But I don't see any of those guys available at the moment so that's why i'm saying we should hold on to him UNLESS we're aiming for a rebuild.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
"Care about winning but don't care too much!"
Hmm. Perhaps we should trade Fox, tank this season, and then all get super hype about an 18 year old who just hung 39 points against a fellow top 5 prospect in this year's NCAA tournament eh?
Groovygreg
Starter
No.
Exhibit self-control and channel your disappointment in a productive way by working on improving your game.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Boogie was literally the best offensive big in the game before Alvin Gentry overplayed him until his legs exploded but sure.
Groovygreg
Starter
VERY well said.
Groovygreg
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
And we have to see what Fox looks like without Walton. Last year was an anomaly where Walton shifted HIS gameplan whereas this year and the year prior to last year were eerily similar in the way he used Fox as a pseudo off guard.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Sure but only for the first couple years and then after that we'll try to trade him for a guy who doesn't even want to play basketball right now.
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