One day, we will all hold hands, turn toward the past singing "kum-ba-ya", and look back at yesterday as The Day Desmond Mason Brought Us All Together.
Then we will turn back around and recommence burning each other in effigy.
Kings sign Desmond Mason (merged)
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One day, we will all hold hands, turn toward the past singing "kum-ba-ya", and look back at yesterday as The Day Desmond Mason Brought Us All Together.
Then we will turn back around and recommence burning each other in effigy.
... what is... the day that Kenny Thomas gets resigned 3 years for MLE to provide frontcourt depth?
kennadog
Dog On It!
Optimist.
jcassio
Starter
But here's two scenarios where it begins to make sense
I had the same WTF response when I first read about the Desmond Mason signing. But here's two scenarios where it begins to make sense:
1) If they intend to trade Nocioni or Garcia (without necessarily getting another wing in return); and
2) If Westphal plans on playing small-ball with Nocioni at power forward.
I agree that Greene and Casspi need to get minutes this year for their development and for the Kings long-term development, but I think having veterans for depth is smart until/unless it translates to an insecure coach using mediocre vets and not giving the rookies any minutes to develop. (Sound familiar?) So now we'll see if Westphal is the development-oriented coach that he thinks he is.
I had the same WTF response when I first read about the Desmond Mason signing. But here's two scenarios where it begins to make sense:
1) If they intend to trade Nocioni or Garcia (without necessarily getting another wing in return); and
2) If Westphal plans on playing small-ball with Nocioni at power forward.
I agree that Greene and Casspi need to get minutes this year for their development and for the Kings long-term development, but I think having veterans for depth is smart until/unless it translates to an insecure coach using mediocre vets and not giving the rookies any minutes to develop. (Sound familiar?) So now we'll see if Westphal is the development-oriented coach that he thinks he is.
Okay, thank goodness for baseball.
(Is that worse, or better? I'm going with worse. At least it's not hockey.)
King Baller
All-Star
Unless a quality back up center is added to the squad the Kings starting PF becomes the back up center. So from what I have seen the best move when its time for the second unit to play is going to be to go small send either Hawes or JT to the bench. Move Noc to PF. So the second unit will be one of the starting bigs (Hawes or JT), Noc at PF, pick a 3 (Probably Cisco), Cisco or DM at the 2 and Tyreke at the 1 (Evans plays 40 minutes a night so he is on both the first and second units).
JT, Noc, Cisco, DM and Tyreke is about the best get after it defensive second unit the Kings can put on the floor. If Brockman shows a NBA game he maybe gets on this unit. I don't see Sean May as a hard nosed defensive guy.
If the Kings are going to run they must get defensive stops and rebounds. The 5 I have mentioned above can do it.
KB
Everything's better than football.
Showtime
Starter
Baseball? Oh good grief...
C Diddy
Starter
I'm going to assume you are talking about football (soccer) and not American Football.
If you are talking about American Football, your powers of perception of what's popular in America are waning.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Perhaps we can dig up ANTHONY Mason for some veteran leadership and defense while we're at it.
NoBonus
Starter
Here is my prospective; an NBA outsider:
1. GP tends to only want guys who can pass, dribble, and shoot. Of the crop of available backup centers I doubt any of them met this standard. I am sure they reviewed the bigs available, but none of them is likely skilled enough to run and gun or be an impactful defensive stopper.
2. The Kings need a positive veteran presence, they already have project/potential guys.
3. The Kings perimeter defense was terrible last year; slow bigs cannot help much there. So why not get another wing? The wings the Kings have clearly were not doing it last year. If they blow up the wing position, so what? Cannot get much worse.
4. Vets stealing PT from rookies is a funny thing. Fans hate it, but fans will overlook it if the team is getting wins; fans hate losing more.
5. The FA crop was not great this year; especially for bargain guys. Would the Kings have preferred a big? Sure. But who? DM is likely the best player/value willing to play in Sac right now.
1. GP tends to only want guys who can pass, dribble, and shoot. Of the crop of available backup centers I doubt any of them met this standard. I am sure they reviewed the bigs available, but none of them is likely skilled enough to run and gun or be an impactful defensive stopper.
2. The Kings need a positive veteran presence, they already have project/potential guys.
3. The Kings perimeter defense was terrible last year; slow bigs cannot help much there. So why not get another wing? The wings the Kings have clearly were not doing it last year. If they blow up the wing position, so what? Cannot get much worse.
4. Vets stealing PT from rookies is a funny thing. Fans hate it, but fans will overlook it if the team is getting wins; fans hate losing more.
5. The FA crop was not great this year; especially for bargain guys. Would the Kings have preferred a big? Sure. But who? DM is likely the best player/value willing to play in Sac right now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Thing is no way Desmond Mason at this point in his career can take minutes form any of the perpetrators of said bad defense. If he could, he would have signed with a team with more than 17 wins, and would have signed for guaranteed money. The only guys he can really steal minutes from are the kids, of whom onty Donte had even the smallest thing to do with the defense last year.
Not for the 1-3 wins you might see by playing a Desmond Mason over the prospects. Rules have not changed -- if our prospects do not play and improve to lead us out of this mess, we NEVER get better. We can be awful forever signing washed up vets every year.
If we were not already overstocked at the position, then no big problem. But when you already have something approaching the full 96 SG/SFminutes covered by three vets (Kevin 36+, Noc 25-32, Cisco 20-28), adding a 4th vet can easily complete the rotation and lock the kids entirely out. And for what? 15 minutes a night of a 31 year old journeyman on aminimum contract? Where does that get you? Its not even "win now". Its just a waste.
As an aside, a few years ago I liked our attempt to get a younger Desmond Mason for KT -- we were still semi-competitive, and he was still a semi-productive guy in his prime only a year or two off his career year. But times change, as do needs. We got worse, so did he, and we're trying to rebuild here wiht youth, not squeeze an extra game or two out of what is almost surely another lottery year.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
You're exactly right. We've had these situations before where we were expecting the next shoe to drop.....and it never did.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I'll be totally honest, when I first saw the headline on Realgm I thought we added him to the coaching staff or convinced him to come out of retirement!
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I can't add much to this signing. It doesn't make a lot of sense unless there's another deal in the works. I won't loose any sleep over it. The money amounts to little, so the risk is null. Just don't see the point, but hey, is something to talk about..
Ok, I'm going to put the snarliest devil's advocate face on and come up with something. Petrie is doing this because he figures he's got nothing to lose. If Mason is the younger healthy player of previous years, then he signs him and now he has somebody that is going to valuable trade bait (maybe for another big) for a playoff contender. If Mason can't return to old form, then he gets cut by January and we're no worse off.
That actually makes sense.
Sorry guys. But I just can't hold on my comments anymore.
I think it's more of Petrie not exerting his utmost effort to improve this team. He just signs whoever is easy to sign, then let the apologists of the boards ( who thinks Petrie is a genius ) take care of making brilliant reasons/excuses for his dumb moves. I agree with you though that Petrie has nothing to lose. It will all be the Maloofs' loss.
NoBonus
Starter
Yes it does... sort of like Sean May...
LPKingsFan
All-Star
May's different, though. He addresses a position of need (backup big man) and, if he pans out, is still young enough to be part of the future. Mason does neither.
I think maybe that is because some of us fans are probably too naive not to know where Petrie is trying to gear the ship and Petrie is a genius like some believe he is.You're exactly right. We've had these situations before where we were expecting the next shoe to drop.....and it never did.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Not totally accurate since at least some of his salary will still count against the cap. If he stays it's 1.18 million, that's 1.18 million less that Petrie can offer in pure cap savings. A huge move that could have been made at the deadline involving pure cap space and potential tax savings are looking a lot less possible these days.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
The scary thing is the Kings have a history of playing vets over young guys. If Desmond Mason is here past that January deadline, you have to assume he'll be getting some minutes ( we wouldnt throw away that money if he wouldnt get some time ). THAT is frustrating. Like Bricklayer said, IF Mason is a better option that Greene or Casspi ( deffinetly not a sure thing ) what happens then? 1 more win? that does nothing for us.
The more I think about this move, the more I say wow, this is so what the Kings do. Right up there alley. Whats worse is that Amick said this was a Westphal move, he wanted him because he had him when he coached the Sonics. Give me a break. Im sick of history, im sick of looking out for players your comortable with .. we need to do this thing right and Im getting tired of these 'detours' we keep taking. I dont care about Nocioni's 'toughness'. The guy has a long contract and he's old. Its that simple. Veteran leadership is so overrated. Im still waiting for that rebuild..
The more I think about this move, the more I say wow, this is so what the Kings do. Right up there alley. Whats worse is that Amick said this was a Westphal move, he wanted him because he had him when he coached the Sonics. Give me a break. Im sick of history, im sick of looking out for players your comortable with .. we need to do this thing right and Im getting tired of these 'detours' we keep taking. I dont care about Nocioni's 'toughness'. The guy has a long contract and he's old. Its that simple. Veteran leadership is so overrated. Im still waiting for that rebuild..
Dime Dropper
All-Star
A bizarre move. Not very surprising, though. GP always finds a way to make a pointless signing each off-season. Again, you would hope this is part of a bigger move, but at some point that thinking becomes futile. It's just a head scratcher.
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AriesMar27
Guest
Sorry guys. But I just can't hold on my comments anymore.
I think it's more of Petrie not exerting his utmost effort to improve this team. He just signs whoever is easy to sign, then let the apologists of the boards ( who thinks Petrie is a genius ) take care of making brilliant reasons/excuses for his dumb moves. I agree with you though that Petrie has nothing to lose. It will all be the Maloofs' loss.
thats what i was thinking...
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I completely agree. Plus, our young guys won't mature as players until they get consistent time on the court. Thats part of rebuilding, throwing the young guys out there and letting them learn from there mistakes. Not playing Donte and Omri will put us in this same position next year, continuing to wait for both of them to develop.
est.1999
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LOL what is it that you dislike about football?
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