Kings free agency, part 3

Darth Divac said:
I thought we didn't talk about STR here?
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I think there may have been some civil wars back in the days that precede me, but there's no Ministry Of Information "STR does not exist" campaign around here.

I for one am a member of both sites, and while I read KF.com more religiously I often check in at STR. There's a different feel between the two sites, but it's not like mentioning STR is verboten here.
 
Ziller has written some positive things about the Kings since he moved on from the Kings fans site for which he used to write. He did write one really negative piece about a month ago, which read as if PDA had written 80% of it. So he's mostly on our side, but not completely.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I think there may have been some civil wars back in the days that precede me, but there's no Ministry Of Information "STR does not exist" campaign around here.

I for one am a member of both sites, and while I read KF.com more religiously I often check in at STR. There's a different feel between the two sites, but it's not like mentioning STR is verboten here.
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Same here. member of both. Cant get enough kings!
 
Kingsguy881 said:
a few months ago would have been before the GKarl signing. If I am not mistaken, Karl is the type of coach to give his pg (Lawson, Payton, Cassell) free reign with the offense. Its a perfect storm and one I am sure Vlade has used to sell Karl on his vision...kinda the exact opposite if Carlisle and to a lesser extent Doc, an ex pg himself who has learned with CP3 to really just let go of that position and focus on the rest. Which for Doc, didn't work with team chemistry apparently. But I attribute that more to Chris Paul being a dick
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I don't really agree with everything you said but had to like your post just cuz of the bolded
 
Chubbs said:
Silver can ask really nicely, but I don't think he can stop anyone from backing out.

The whole system puts teams at enormous risk and favors the players. Hedo Turkoglu backed out of a deal with the blazers to go to Toronto a few years back.
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Who's to say that teams can't back out of verbal agreements the same way? I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas back out of the Matthews agreement if Jordan goes back to the Clippers
 
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Peter_Gibbons said:
Yup.

Starting 5 (Cousins, Gay, Belinelli, McLemore, Rondo)
Bench (Kofos, WCS, Casspi, Collison)

The starting line up can change against different match ups, but the point is, our team will actually be 8-9 deep. Swap any of those 4 bench players in and there wouldn't be much of a drop off. From the recent tweets by Boogie, it looks like they will be able to work it out with Karl. Unless Karl just turns loco when they finally have their meeting. But really, they both need and want to win badly. Let's do this!
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Belinelli already is a sub par defender against SGs. You're putting him at even more of a disadvantage defensively by playing him at SF. Meanwhile, he's not nearly quick enough to make up any kind of ground going against SFs on the offensive side. Belinelli should never be playing SF unless the opposing team has an incompetent, offensive SF or the other team is playing a SG at SF.

I think you have to start out with Koufos starting next to Cousins. Cauley-Stein is still a rookie, Casspi is not good enough to start in this league, & Belinelli would be out of position and out-matched defensively. One of Koufos' strength's is his post defense. Post defense is most useful against the opposing teams' starters since starters tend to be more skilled and more effective operating on the block.

If you start Cousins and Koufos together, what you lose in speed/quickness, you gain in size, length, strength, shotblocking, defensive rotations, post defense, & rebounding. The Grizzlies have a lot of success with a Gasol/Randolph pairing. I think Koufos/Cousins will do just fine.
 
twslam07 said:
Belinelli already is a sub par defender against SGs. You're putting him at even more of a disadvantage defensively by playing him at SF. Meanwhile, he's not nearly quick enough to make up any kind of ground going against SFs on the offensive side. Belinelli should never be playing SF unless the opposing team has an incompetent, offensive SF or the other team is playing a SG at SF.

I think you have to start out with Koufos starting next to Cousins. Cauley-Stein is still a rookie, Casspi is not good enough to start in this league, & Belinelli would be out of position and out-matched defensively. One of Koufos' strength's is his post defense. Post defense is most useful against the opposing teams' starters since starters tend to be more skilled and more effective operating on the block.

If you start Cousins and Koufos together, what you lose in speed/quickness, you gain in size, length, strength, shotblocking, defensive rotations, post defense, & rebounding. The Grizzlies have a lot of success with a Gasol/Randolph pairing. I think Koufos/Cousins will do just fine.
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I think you are reading into it too much by not reading. As I said, the line ups can change and I just typed up a random one. The point is, we actually have a much deeper team this year. There is no point to argue about who starts when it's really all up to Karl and even he'll have to see how everyone works in training camp and preseason first.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
I think you are reading into it too much by not reading. As I said, the line ups can change and I just typed up a random one. The point is, we actually have a much deeper team this year. There is no point to argue about who starts when it's really all up to Karl and even he'll have to see how everyone works in training camp and preseason first.
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Why do we discuss anything on this board then?
 
twslam07 said:
Why do we discuss anything on this board then?
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You are missing the point. I stated very clearly that MY point was that we are deep this year. You bringing up your opinion as to why my random lineup won't work is a moot point because I stated the line ups can change. I'm sure there will be a time and thread for debating the starting lineup in the future.
 
I think the ultimate goal is to start WCS and Cousins because WCS will actually do better guarding 4's than 5's especially early in his career. His length and lateral quickness should allow him to stay in front of the stretch 4's. I probably see Gay starting at the 4 to start though with Rondo Ben or Bellinelli and Casspi actually.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
You are missing the point. I stated very clearly that MY point was that we are deep this year. You bringing up your opinion as to why my random lineup won't work is a moot point because I stated the line ups can change. I'm sure there will be a time and thread for debating the starting lineup in the future.
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You must have some sort of reasoning for putting Belinelli in the starting lineup at SF. That's the point I'm challenging. No reason to tell me I can't argue against that.

Sure you can say the lineups will change, but I'm more interested to know why you would even recommend that in the first place as the first unit.
 
twslam07 said:
You must have some sort of reasoning for putting Belinelli in the starting lineup at SF. That's the point I'm challenging. No reason to tell me I can't argue against that.

Sure you can say the lineups will change, but I'm more interested to know why you would even recommend that in the first place as the first unit.
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You were arguing about a lot more than just the SF. Anyway, you are reading into it way too much. The lineup was random and as I said originally, you can swap in any of those 4 other guys into the lineup and there won't be a big drop off. You can have so many effective line ups because we are deep, that's the point.

That is just one of probably 10 possible lineups we can have. Through out the year, it can be (WCS, Cuz, Gay, Ben, Rondo), (Koufos, Cuz, Gay, Belinelli, Collison), (Cousins, Gay, Belinelli, Collison, Rondo), the list goes on and on. You are arguing the Koufos should start as if there is only 1 correct starting line up when in reality, the lineups can always change and starting doesn't mean you will play they most minutes. The only ones that will start for sure are Cousins and Gay. Some people will say neither Rondo or Collison can defend SGs, but they will be played together in the backcourt at some point for sure. You are getting hang up on the label.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
You were arguing about a lot more than just the SF. Anyway, you are reading into it way too much. The lineup was random and as I said originally, you can swap in any of those 4 other guys into the lineup and there won't be a big drop off. You can have so many effective line ups because we are deep, that's the point.

That is just one of probably 10 possible lineups we can have. Through out the year, it can be (WCS, Cuz, Gay, Ben, Rondo), (Koufos, Cuz, Gay, Belinelli, Collison), (Cousins, Gay, Belinelli, Collison, Rondo), the list goes on and on. You are arguing the Koufos should start as if there is only 1 correct starting line up when in reality, the lineups can always change and starting doesn't mean you will play they most minutes. The only ones that will start for sure are Cousins and Gay. Some people will say neither Rondo or Collison can defend SGs, but they will be played together in the backcourt at some point for sure. You are getting hang up on the label.
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No, not if you really think about it. You had Belinelli as the starting SF. I suggested why that would be a poor idea and why opting for another player would be better. Simple as that.

It's not necessarily about guessing the right starting lineup (or in other words, the lineup Karl chooses). It's about debating what starting lineup I think should start. That's sort of the point of a forum...
 
Preferred starting lineup:
C: Koufos
PF: Cousins
SF: Rudy
SG: Marco/Ben (really depends on fit and if Ben is reliable from 3, with Rondo out there simply cannot be missing shots)
PG: Rondo

Bench mob:
C: ?
PF: WCS (Smith if he joins)
SF: Casspi
SG: Ben/Marco
PG: Collison

I don't think WCS is ready to start at this point, thus Koufos starting, though I think WCS will get about 20-25 minutes a game so I see them splitting time. When WCS comes on, I expect Cousins to switch to C. I don't really expect Rudy to be the starting 4, though he will certainly see playing time there. We are in need of a back-up center/big man as well.
 
Sac.Kings said:
Preferred starting lineup:
C: Koufos
PF: Cousins
SF: Rudy
SG: Marco/Ben (really depends on fit and if Ben is reliable from 3, with Rondo out there simply cannot be missing shots)
PG: Rondo

Bench mob:
C: ?
PF: WCS (Smith if he joins)
SF: Casspi
SG: Ben/Marco
PG: Collison

I don't think WCS is ready to start at this point, thus Koufos starting, though I think WCS will get about 20-25 minutes a game so I see them splitting time. When WCS comes on, I expect Cousins to switch to C. I don't really expect Rudy to be the starting 4, though he will certainly see playing time there. We are in need of a back-up center/big man as well.
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If all the verbal agreements hold up and WCS is signed the Kings will have 13 players under contract though I think Stockton will be waived, bringing that number to 12. That means the Kings will need to sign 2 or 3 more players. I'd imagine that'd be one player with the remaining capspace and then one or two more on minimum contracts.

There's still the possibility of Josh Smith but honestly I think the Kings would be better off signing some role players that fit better. Ideally at SF, PF and deep bench C.

My short wish list looks like this:

Dorell Wright
Luis Scola
Luc Mbah a Moute

with potential minimum contract guys being
Cole Aldrich
Jeff Withey
James Jones
DeAndre Liggins
 
I'm starting to think the frontcourt depth could go like this

Moreland
Cousins
Koufos
WCS
Buhllar

I don't like the unproven guys but how much better would Aldrich, hollins type be?
 
twslam07 said:
No, not if you really think about it. You had Belinelli as the starting SF. I suggested why that would be a poor idea and why opting for another player would be better. Simple as that.

It's not necessarily about guessing the right starting lineup (or in other words, the lineup Karl chooses). It's about debating what starting lineup I think should start. That's sort of the point of a forum...
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You were told clearly that the point from my post was that the team is now deep and debating the starting lineup was not my point or interest. Yet you keep trying to make it into a debate of starting lineups to make your argument.

You keep telling me that Belinelli doesn't work at SF when I told you that the lineup was random and interchangeable. If I wanted to debate about starting lineups I can easily name reasons why Koufos wouldn't work as a starter against certain teams but that is not my interest right now and you don't want to accept that. As I said, there will be a time in the future for me. The point of a forum is for you to discuss topics with others who actually want to discuss those topics with you at the time. Maybe you mistook my post initially, but you should know by now.
 
Clippers players camping out at Jordan's house until he signs with them?

This is absolutely ridiculous. NBA can't allow this crap going forward. Moratorium now means nothing aside from giving agents more power to screw over teams. Well done, NBA.
 
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