Kings free agency, part 3

They wanted a PG whether or not they traded for Boogie, which is why the signed Lou Williams.
Touché- You got me there, though I don't see how Rondo would have worked for them, I don't see how Lou-Will works there either.

May I respectfully disagree. IF there is any merit to your arguments they shrink in the shadow of the accomplished signing of someone we want and we want for just one year. We got what we wanted so I smile with satisfaction. Please join me.
That's fine with me, I don't get why you would only want him for one year to quote kingsboi:

I mean Rondo didn't really have any leverage here let's be honest but it seems Rondo got what he wanted and in the process will use the Kings to boost his value for his next big pay day and probably last.
That's basicaly my point, but if Rondo will look good on the court I'll gladly join you.
 

pdxKingsFan

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Rondo had no leverage which explains why during one of the richest FA summers ever he got 10 million while guys not fit to carry his jock got long term deals for far more.

His "leverage" was that he took a short term deal at a discounted price. If any other team did this it would probably be looked at as a steal.
 
From the Grantland article The Hammer quoted earlier


I want to see the articles where everyone is applauding us, dammit, even if it is just 'for not barfing all over ourselves'. All I have seen is big piles of steaming poopoo mocking us.
Actually, no, maybe I don't. This kind of national disdain and dismissal may just be even more motivation for our merry band of misfits. In any case, it lessens the pressure and sets us up to be the surprise team of the year. It won't be boring, that is for sure.
Every year, we get excited for Kings basketball, but THIS year there is a special spark (granted, that spark could end up flaming out in an unprecedented blaze of glory as everything blows up, but at least these moves have prevented me from blowing everything up myself if we took the loser road and traded DeMarcus and went into eternal rebuilding mode. Nobody has bail money for that)
That grantland article is bogus. It ends with something along the lines of, " Divac insists that Cousins wont be traded, but the franchise hasnt behaved in predictable ways and other GM's expect that he will become available." What a cop out of a way to end that write up.
 
That grantland article is bogus. It ends with something along the lines of, " Divac insists that Cousins wont be traded, but the franchise hasnt behaved in predictable ways and other GM's expect that he will become available." What a cop out of a way to end that write up.
I don't even know what he has to gain with that.

I like Lowe as a righter in general, but it's almost like he has something that makes him go extra hard on us. he was one of the first to bring up the whole "4 on 5" thing last year.
 

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I don't even know what he has to gain with that.

I like Lowe as a righter in general, but it's almost like he has something that makes him go extra hard on us. he was one of the first to bring up the whole "4 on 5" thing last year.
To be fair, that particular topic got a lot of negative play around here, too.
 

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Hedo has shot .440 and .432 from 3 the past 2 seasons.
How is that only a nostalgia singing?
I have this vision that if he signed with us, he'd get lots of open 3-pt attempts, and sink a high % of them to keep Arco rocking.
I think you may be suffering from a bit of nostalgic myopia. Hedo is not the player he once was. Bringing him back at this point would most likely end up being a disappointment for us...and him.
 
Did anyone watch him play masterfully against us last year?
I believe he was the starting PF (?) and drilled quite a few threes, totally under control and with plenty of game left.
I don;t know what his reputation is, or what he did against other teams, but in the game against us late last year, he was the kind of player the Kings could really use.
 

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Hedo has shot .440 and .432 from 3 the past 2 seasons.
How is that only a nostalgia singing?
While that's true, Hedo is 36, only played in 100 of 162 games the last two years and was only good for about 10 mpg.

I wouldn't mind him as the 15th man and an emergency forward on a minimum contract but if Katl is really going to play Gay at PF a lot then the Kings need a dependable backup SF who can play big minutes if Casspi misses games.
 
While that's true, Hedo is 36, only played in 100 of 162 games the last two years and was only good for about 10 mpg.

I wouldn't mind him as the 15th man and an emergency forward on a minimum contract but if Katl is really going to play Gay at PF a lot then the Kings need a dependable backup SF who can play big minutes if Casspi misses games.
We have enough vets. Better to put a younger guy there and let him develop. A la Gerald Wallace.
 
BACK to the topic at hand:

From SI EXTRA:

NBA re Agency: 5 Worst Contracts of 2015

And, of course, the Kings are mentioned.

Derrick Williams gets the nod with his new contract with the Knicks. :p


I could see maybe Philly taking a gamble like that, but what a terrible contract for them. I believe he even has a player option, so if some minor miracle comes he can opt out later. They take all the risk.
 
That's fine with me, I don't get why you would only want him for one year to quote kingsboi:

That's basicaly my point, but if Rondo will look good on the court I'll gladly join you.
Dude, we get it -
you think Rondo's a washed-up cancer and could have been signed for less, for longer term.

Most of us don't agree with you.

Either way, it's a gamble, and none of us knows which Rondo will show up - the All-Star-level PG who makes a deep-playoff team tick, or the morale-killing cancer that stops a team from making the playoffs.

But it's really not a coin-flip. If you really look at the circumstances, there is a higher-than-50-50% chance that Rondo returns to being a dominant player. He is absurdly smart, and has personality issues that will make him play badly to make a point.
Sound familiar?
Cousins and he seem like peas in a pod to me. Their demonized reputations around the league will pretty much force them to get along to prove the world wrong. And Rudy seems to get along with both of them very well, personality-wise and game.
Yeah, there's the chance everything could blow up and go horrible, but the chance of this working out seems VERY likely to me, when looking at their games and personalities. Rondo driving to the hoop, the defense having to react, leaving Boogie with less attention to dominate around the glass/putbacks, alley-oops, etc.

You seem to be already pre-determining the outcome of this acquisition, and damning it before it has a chance to play out.
Do you really think there is as little chance of the Rondo signing to work out as you sound?
I would think you would be required to admit the chance it might work.

What I'm wondering is - if it works out, are you going to come here and admit you were absurdly pre-judgmental in your snap judgment and cynical determination to believe a 29-year old 4-time All-Star had no game left?
 

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I just posted a link to a tweet on a story about Rajon Rondo in the thread about Rondo. I highly encourage all to read it so that one gets familiar with how this guy ticks. Great insight from Kevin Garnett. Explains why Rondo is how he is..
 
I for one dont actually think the Rondo signing is a gamble. Collison proved to be more than capable of playing pg for us last season in the role with which we needed it to be played. Being a one year contract he is fairly easy to trade as an expiring if need be. I say this assuming the worst case scenario plays out. Any better than that and this is a good signing.
 

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I for one dont actually think the Rondo signing is a gamble. Collison proved to be more than capable of playing pg for us last season in the role with which we needed it to be played. Being a one year contract he is fairly easy to trade as an expiring if need be. I say this assuming the worst case scenario plays out. Any better than that and this is a good signing.
I tend to agree, it's low risk/high reward. Wes Mathews was the gamble and the perfect example of a "Mavs hit a homerun" story that would have been "Kings are crazy" if he had come to Sac.
 

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Dude, we get it -
you think Rondo's a washed-up cancer and could have been signed for less, for longer term.

Most of us don't agree with you.
I'm going to disagree a bit here. There's been a sudden shift among some regarding Rondo. A few months ago most wanted absolutely nothing to do with him.

And I get some are trying to be positive now that we've got him but I find it kind of ridiculous Amit is getting so much attention for his opinion on Rondo when it would have fit right in with many here only three months ago.

I personally worry about his attitude. That quite a risk with Karl. Karl isn't Doc where he has a good history of dealing with some of the more challenging players. He butted heads with players in Boston but they were true and tried vets. We don't have that leadership here. He butted heads in Dallas too and we saw how that turned out. As much as Cuz has matured, I don't think he has control of the locker room like a KG or Dirk do. We'll see how that goes though. I also see a dilemma when he gives up the rock and plays through Rudy/Cuz with either of WCS/Koufas out there. Spacing is going to be a challenge at times.
 
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I just posted a link to a tweet on a story about Rajon Rondo in the thread about Rondo. I highly encourage all to read it so that one gets familiar with how this guy ticks. Great insight from Kevin Garnett. Explains why Rondo is how he is..
I already know what article you linked cuz I read it yesterday and tried to link it in my post. Well written piece on ESPN if I am not mistaken. Good job!
 
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I'm going to disagree a bit here. There's been a sudden shift among some regarding Rondo. A few months ago most wanted absolutely nothing to do with him.

And I get some are trying to be positive now that we've got him but I find it kind of ridiculous Amit is getting so much attention for his opinion on Rondo when it would have fit right in with many here only three months ago.

I personally worry about his attitude. That quite a risk with Karl. Karl isn't Doc where he has a good history of dealing with some of the more challenging players. He butted heads with players in Boston but they were true and tried vets. We don't have that leadership here. He butted heads in Dallas too and we saw how that turned out. As much as Cuz has matured, I don't think he has control of the locker room like a KG or Dirk do. We'll see how that goes though. I also see a dilemma when he gives up the rock and plays through Rudy/Cuz with either of WCS/Koufas out there. Spacing is going to be a challenge at times.
a few months ago would have been before the GKarl signing. If I am not mistaken, Karl is the type of coach to give his pg (Lawson, Payton, Cassell) free reign with the offense. Its a perfect storm and one I am sure Vlade has used to sell Karl on his vision...kinda the exact opposite if Carlisle and to a lesser extent Doc, an ex pg himself who has learned with CP3 to really just let go of that position and focus on the rest. Which for Doc, didn't work with team chemistry apparently. But I attribute that more to Chris Paul being a dick
 

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a few months ago would have been before the GKarl signing. If I am not mistaken, Karl is the type of coach to give his pg (Lawson, Payton, Cassell) free reign with the offense. Its a perfect storm and one I am sure Vlade has used to sell Karl on his vision...kinda the exact opposite if Carlisle and to a lesser extent Doc, an ex pg himself who has learned with CP3 to really just let go of that position and focus on the rest. Which for Doc, didn't work with team chemistry apparently. But I attribute that more to Chris Paul being a dick
It was in April.
 
I don't even know what he has to gain with that.

I like Lowe as a righter in general, but it's almost like he has something that makes him go extra hard on us. he was one of the first to bring up the whole "4 on 5" thing last year.
Lowe's recent article was in response to him getting hit up by Kings fans on Twitter. For better or worse, Kings can really get after it on Twitter. Most people will dig in when they're attacked, just like we dug in when the media turned against the Kings. Unfortunately for us, the national media has a bigger audience to speak to.

So yeah, he will throw a little extra dig in there against the Kings when he gets a chance after hearing all the negativity towards him from our fan base.

I'll say at least he responds and explains himself, even if we don't agree with him. Woj will only report the negative stuff on the Kings and then disappear. Did Woj even break one signing for the Kings? Or even coment on one?
 
I'm going to disagree a bit here. There's been a sudden shift among some regarding Rondo. A few months ago most wanted absolutely nothing to do with him.

And I get some are trying to be positive now that we've got him but I find it kind of ridiculous Amit is getting so much attention for his opinion on Rondo when it would have fit right in with many here only three months ago.

I personally worry about his attitude. That quite a risk with Karl. Karl isn't Doc where he has a good history of dealing with some of the more challenging players. He butted heads with players in Boston but they were true and tried vets. We don't have that leadership here. He butted heads in Dallas too and we saw how that turned out. As much as Cuz has matured, I don't think he has control of the locker room like a KG or Dirk do. We'll see how that goes though. I also see a dilemma when he gives up the rock and plays through Rudy/Cuz with either of WCS/Koufas out there. Spacing is going to be a challenge at times.
There is a simple locker room solution.
Sign Divac as a 5th big and problem solved :)
Heard he is willing to take a deep discount.