[Game] Kings at Warriors, 2/3/2022, 10pm ET/7pm PT

[King Baller]

Just checking on this game thread. Still love the Kings. But I can barely watch the games any more.

I'm still waiting for a renaissance out of this dark age of being a Kings Fan. Monte might do it with a trade or two and a couple more solid drafts.

Anyhow--- GO KINGS BEAT THE ______!!!!!

 

[mrlaze]

If you think fans here are going to give Monte "a couple more drafts" you havent been around enough.

Current sentiment:
Fire owner
Fire FO
Fire TV crew/announcers
Trade all players
Trade all picks

 

[kb02]

If you think fans here are going to give Monte "a couple more drafts" you havent been around enough.

Current sentiment:
Fire owner
Fire FO
Fire TV crew/announcers
Trade all players
Trade all picks

Yea, if he doesn't pull off a game changing move, he's gone. Season ticket sales are going to plummet for next year. And he doesn't necessarily need to make a win-now move. Tank this year, get a top pick, and I think season tix sales will maintain. Keep the Vlade core and they'll be begging people to attend.

 

[mrlaze]

I forgot:
Fire (there rest of the) coaching staff and trainers.

This year was supposed to be the culture change year. Bringing back the same coach was probably the worst thing they could have done if that was the goal. It was doomed from there IMO. Trying to make Fox and off ball guard upset everyone. Hali differs him(taking away from Hali game), Fox still dosent like it(and his game has suffered). If that's what you were going to do why ask Fox bulk up?

Reminds me of my work where everyone does whatever, with little to no communication, and then act surprised when jobs don't come together.

 

[chief bromden]

While catching up via highlights to watch the second half live (who knows why, but at least Davion looked inspired), I watched one of Steph hitting a 3 in the 1st quarter with no Kings around him except Richaun Holmes running past him to make sure he stayed with Looney jogging to the basket because that's obviously the bigger threat... lmao, Kangz

 

[Livinthedream]

Best case in that scenario is James Harden. They made a finals, Harden was a great bench piece for them, and here the Thunder sit. It's amazing how quickly you can waste that rookie contract. That's why Monte can't afford to sit in the middle much longer. Commit one way or the other. Maybe not necessarily this year with those 3, but it would be wise to attempt to create some flexibility or start heading that direction if there is no "all in" deal at the deadline AROUND them. Then you curtail the issue if you do keep all 3 and overpay someone to be a bench player. Once that happens the Kings are back to where they are now. No cap, no real flexibility and reliant on win now rookies and trades. The Kings have this bad habit of starting lesser paid players and benching higher paid/value ones then being stuck with them. Monte can't have another one of those, "Well, I tried here's some middling crap" trade seasons.

Yes. OKC is a good example and those guys didn't even play the same position. All of them proved to be better versions of themselves with minutes and the ball in their hands.

I'm sure someone will find an exception that proves the rule, but good teams don't have players playing backup minutes who have an argument that they should be playing more minutes than the actual starter at the same position. That's poor team building. It's ok to draft the bpa, but then you need to use that bpa to get something you need if the team is not going to be able to put him in the best position to succeed.

Having talent is good. Having a situation where the talent can't blossom because of a log jam at the position is bad. This team can't afford to be getting 70% of what a player is capable of. The Kings need to maximize every asset.

 

[SacTownKid]

So what happens when we trade one of them and suddenly we're back to playing bench guards like Corey Joseph 20 disastrous minutes every night? I was kindof liking the idea that we didn't have the worst bench in the league for a change. You keep insisting that one of them will end up being a bench player but why? If all three end up getting the same 30-34 minutes every night, which of them has been benched? The OKC problem was that ownership was too cheap to re-sign their stars. They wanted to win with Durant and Westbrook and a revolving door of affordable rookies and journeymen instead of a big 3.

You still lose but gained value for the future in some way? Because being a bench player matters and unless you are literal champ then paying one a major deal to stay makes no sense. Again, HISTORY. OKC is your guide. Unless the Kings are literally at that level and someone comes overpaying you're eventually betting against yourself.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes. OKC is a good example and those guys didn't even play the same position. All of them proved to be better versions of themselves with minutes and the ball in their hands.

I'm sure someone will find an exception that proves the rule, but good teams don't have players playing backup minutes who have an argument that they should be playing more minutes than the actual starter at the same position. That's poor team building. It's ok to draft the bpa, but then you need to use that bpa to get something you need if the team is not going to be able to put him in the best position to succeed.

Having talent is good. Having a situation where the talent can't blossom because of a log jam at the position is bad. This team can't afford to be getting 70% of what a player is capable of. The Kings need to maximize every asset.

And they were a legit contender. If that doesn't stick together than how the F does anyone think 3 PG's will on a losing team?

 

[SacTownKid]

This is the cold, hard truth:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1489104428892368897

Have been saying for a while now that Fox needs to watch a ton of CP film. Yet he bulks up and doubles down on scoring.

No, the cold hard truth is the Kings are 2-9 without the dude this year and w/o Fox are scoring in the bottom 3 of the entire league.

 

[hrdboild]

No, the cold hard truth is the Kings are 2-9 without the dude this year and w/o Fox are scoring in the bottom 3 of the entire league.

It's too late. THE NARRATIVE has already been decided and the data found/manufactured which "proves it". There's no point even trying to discuss alternatives anymore. Welcome to the 21st century.

 

[miltonap]

No, the cold hard truth is the Kings are 2-9 without the dude this year and w/o Fox are scoring in the bottom 3 of the entire league.

Fox does drive up the pace though, anyone know the offensive/defensive rating during this time without fox or is there some good metric to measure the efficiency of the offense/defense ?

Because I mean Fox was also playing during huge blowouts we had - Toronto/Memphis/Cavs.

I guess what I'm saying is we sucked with him too.

 

[SLAB]

No, the cold hard truth is the Kings are 2-9 without the dude this year and w/o Fox are scoring in the bottom 3 of the entire league.

The cold hard truth is we suck with him AND we suck without him.

 

[mac]

The cold hard truth is we suck with him AND we suck without him.

Yes

 

[King Baller]

Ouch! Man things are worse than I thought........

 

[SacTownKid]

Fox does drive up the pace though, anyone know the offensive/defensive rating during this time without fox or is there some good metric to measure the efficiency of the offense/defense ?

Because I mean Fox was also playing during huge blowouts we had - Toronto/Memphis/Cavs.

I guess what I'm saying is we sucked with him too.

That's true, but the argument always eventually spins to we suck because of them. Yes, in some ways they do. He's not a good shooter, he's been less than this year, and even though role has a lot to do with it at some point true superstars say "F it, get the F out the way or get run over" to their own teammates. That isn't this dude. Never was this dude. Probably will never be this dude. However, nobody else on this team is that dude either. Especially Haliburton. He's a glue guy, don't mess with that, he's really, really, really good at it and it fun as heck to watch.

 

[SacTownKid]

The cold hard truth is we suck with him AND we suck without him.

Lose one arm or two? There's a difference. And realistically, I don't think this team is this bad without him if functioning under better conditions. And yes, sucking worse can be a good thing. IF they rebuild. Don't be trading Fox for other win now pieces unless they bring you way up to snuff with the modern game. Anything else is a big time gamble IMO. Just rebuild.