[Game] Kings at Warriors, 2/3/2022, 10pm ET/7pm PT

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Tetsujin

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Meant in the most complimentary way possible, Kuminga is playing the hell out of the Warriors' Jordan Bell role. Play defense and sprint towards the hoop whenever the Warriors have the ball. That's pretty much all you have to do with Steph and Klay.
 
I wanted to draft a wing. But now that we have all 3, rotate the 3 and get rid of buddy. But that’s beside the point. I just want to know why when the situations are the same, the outcry is different. Ty or fox have a bad game, it’s cuz they can’t play together. Ty or davion have a bad game, they are the future. It’s not like we are on a win streak when they start or anything. Maybe, just maybe, the issue isn’t fox/ty/davion.
Sample size matters sir. People look to be optimistic until shown otherwise for an extended period of time. Being a kings fan and patience not being a quality of said fans doesn't help.

Fox and ty having maybe 5 good games together the past 2 seasons will sour you. A fox led team not reaching a 500 record will also sour you. For now davion is looking like a better outside shooter than fox which in the modern nba is a necessity. Also davion being a really good on ball defender doesn't help fox's case either. Add in fox's contract and his regression as well as needing a wing or a 4, fox is the perfect candidate value wise to use in a trade to aquire said piece and fix the logjam at guard. I just dont see fox becoming a threat from 3. Personally thats my reasoning. It's not fox hate its a numbers game.

If in your opinion the problem isn't fox hali and davion but the other guys, why wouldnt you look to trade one to balance out the lineup. You have 3 guys that should start. Sending one to the bench doesn't seem productive.
 
Sample size matters sir. People look to be optimistic until shown otherwise for an extended period of time. Being a kings fan and patience not being a quality of said fans doesn't help.

Fox and ty having maybe 5 good games together the past 2 seasons will sour you. A fox led team not reaching a 500 record will also sour you. For now davion is looking like a better outside shooter than fox which in the modern nba is a necessity. Also davion being a really good on ball defender doesn't help fox's case either. Add in fox's contract and his regression as well as needing a wing or a 4, fox is the perfect candidate value wise to use in a trade to aquire said piece and fix the logjam at guard. I just dont see fox becoming a threat from 3. Personally thats my reasoning. It's not fox hate its a numbers game.

If in your opinion the problem isn't fox hali and davion but the other guys, why wouldnt you look to trade one to balance out the lineup
. You have 3 guys that should start. Sending one to the bench doesn't seem productive.
Or at least play all 3 together consistently. You know, kind of like Monte said.
 

hrdboild

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Sample size matters sir. People look to be optimistic until shown otherwise for an extended period of time. Being a kings fan and patience not being a quality of said fans doesn't help.

Fox and ty having maybe 5 good games together the past 2 seasons will sour you. A fox led team not reaching a 500 record will also sour you. For now davion is looking like a better outside shooter than fox which in the modern nba is a necessity. Also davion being a really good on ball defender doesn't help fox's case either. Add in fox's contract and his regression as well as needing a wing or a 4, fox is the perfect candidate value wise to use in a trade to aquire said piece and fix the logjam at guard. I just dont see fox becoming a threat from 3. Personally thats my reasoning. It's not fox hate its a numbers game.

If in your opinion the problem isn't fox hali and davion but the other guys, why wouldnt you look to trade one to balance out the lineup. You have 3 guys that should start. Sending one to the bench doesn't seem productive.
I've been hearing this since draft day and I still don't understand it. We need more than 2 guards obviously unless the starters are playing 48 minutes per game. Why can't we shorten the rotation and divide those 96 guard minutes between 3 players? Does it matter which of them comes off the bench and which starts if all three are getting their 32 minutes every night? Having three guards who deserve starter minutes isn't a problem -- it's the lack of depth on the wing and the inconsistent frontcourt production which is a problem.
 
I've been hearing this since draft day and I still don't understand it. We need more than 2 guards obviously unless the starters are playing 48 minutes per game. Why can't we shorten the rotation and divide those 96 guard minutes between 3 players? Does it matter which of them comes off the bench and which starts if all three are getting their 32 minutes every night? Having three guards who deserve starter minutes isn't a problem -- it's the lack of depth on the wing and the inconsistent frontcourt production which is a problem.
It will be if they all show potential. First starting job with the money to go with it and they are gone. Some of us said, hey, what they're doing with Buddy/Bogdan isn't going to end well, get ahead of it, trade Bogdan. Well, that's why.
 

hrdboild

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It will be if they all show potential. First starting job with the money to go with it and they are gone. Some of us said, hey, what they're doing with Buddy/Bogdan isn't going to end well, get ahead of it, trade Bogdan. Well, that's why.
I would understand that point of view if Davion weren't a rookie. Fox is already signed and we have match rights on Hali in 2+ years and Mitchell in 3+ years. I guess there's a point at which you can't afford anyone else if you've invested 70% of your salary cap on 3 guards but we're a long way away from that actually happening. Seems like a dumb reason to not draft a player who would obviously help your rotation. I just don't obsess over starters in the same way. The starting 5 is less important than the 8 player playoff rotation or the 9-10 player regular season rotation.
 
I've been hearing this since draft day and I still don't understand it. We need more than 2 guards obviously unless the starters are playing 48 minutes per game. Why can't we shorten the rotation and divide those 96 guard minutes between 3 players? Does it matter which of them comes off the bench and which starts if all three are getting their 32 minutes every night? Having three guards who deserve starter minutes isn't a problem -- it's the lack of depth on the wing and the inconsistent frontcourt production which is a problem.
Multiple ball handlers is never a problem. It's only a problem when some of them can't shoot.
 
Sample size matters sir. People look to be optimistic until shown otherwise for an extended period of time. Being a kings fan and patience not being a quality of said fans doesn't help.

Fox and ty having maybe 5 good games together the past 2 seasons will sour you. A fox led team not reaching a 500 record will also sour you. For now davion is looking like a better outside shooter than fox which in the modern nba is a necessity. Also davion being a really good on ball defender doesn't help fox's case either. Add in fox's contract and his regression as well as needing a wing or a 4, fox is the perfect candidate value wise to use in a trade to aquire said piece and fix the logjam at guard. I just dont see fox becoming a threat from 3. Personally thats my reasoning. It's not fox hate its a numbers game.

If in your opinion the problem isn't fox hali and davion but the other guys, why wouldnt you look to trade one to balance out the lineup. You have 3 guys that should start. Sending one to the bench doesn't seem productive.
Personally, I'd look into the Fox-New Orleans trade for a boatload of picks.

But everyone's tired of blaming the best players with manufactured narratives when the shiny new thing comes around. It happened to Boogie, it's happening to Fox, it will happen to Hali probably too and possibly Davion if he reaches that level.

Also twelve games ago Davion was shooting 20% from 3 and is more inconsistent than Fox.
 
I would understand that point of view if Davion weren't a rookie. Fox is already signed and we have match rights on Hali in 2+ years and Mitchell in 3+ years. I guess there's a point at which you can't afford anyone else if you've invested 70% of your salary cap on 3 guards but we're a long way away from that actually happening. Seems like a dumb reason to not draft a player who would obviously help your rotation. I just don't obsess over starters in the same way. The starting 5 is less important than the 8 player playoff rotation or the 9-10 player regular season rotation.
Best case in that scenario is James Harden. They made a finals, Harden was a great bench piece for them, and here the Thunder sit. It's amazing how quickly you can waste that rookie contract. That's why Monte can't afford to sit in the middle much longer. Commit one way or the other. Maybe not necessarily this year with those 3, but it would be wise to attempt to create some flexibility or start heading that direction if there is no "all in" deal at the deadline AROUND them. Then you curtail the issue if you do keep all 3 and overpay someone to be a bench player. Once that happens the Kings are back to where they are now. No cap, no real flexibility and reliant on win now rookies and trades. The Kings have this bad habit of starting lesser paid players and benching higher paid/value ones then being stuck with them. Monte can't have another one of those, "Well, I tried here's some middling crap" trade seasons.
 

hrdboild

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Best case in that scenario is James Harden. They made a finals, Harden was a great bench piece for them, and here the Thunder sit. It's amazing how quickly you can waste that rookie contract. That's why Monte can't afford to sit in the middle much longer. Commit one way or the other. Maybe not necessarily this year with those 3, but it would be wise to attempt to create some flexibility or start heading that direction if there is no "all in" deal at the deadline AROUND them. Then you curtail the issue if you do keep all 3 and overpay someone to be a bench player. Once that happens the Kings are back to where they are now. No cap, no real flexibility and reliant on win now rookies and trades. The Kings have this bad habit of starting lesser paid players and benching higher paid/value ones then being stuck with them. Monte can't have another one of those, "Well, I tried here's some middling crap" trade seasons.
So what happens when we trade one of them and suddenly we're back to playing bench guards like Corey Joseph 20 disastrous minutes every night? I was kindof liking the idea that we didn't have the worst bench in the league for a change. You keep insisting that one of them will end up being a bench player but why? If all three end up getting the same 30-34 minutes every night, which of them has been benched? The OKC problem was that ownership was too cheap to re-sign their stars. They wanted to win with Durant and Westbrook and a revolving door of affordable rookies and journeymen instead of a big 3.
 
So what happens when we trade one of them and suddenly we're back to playing bench guards like Corey Joseph 20 disastrous minutes every night? I was kindof liking the idea that we didn't have the worst bench in the league for a change. You keep insisting that one of them will end up being a bench player but why? If all three end up getting the same 30-34 minutes every night, which of them has been benched? The OKC problem was that ownership was too cheap to re-sign their stars. They wanted to win with Durant and Westbrook and a revolving door of affordable rookies and journeymen instead of a big 3.
One thing I know for sure is that Davion needs to start and that matters. The reason being is that he needs to check the other team's top PG in order to disrupt the flow of the opposition.
 
Dude acting like he wanted to go to the Kings when he grew up a Lakers fan.
And acting like he can just turn on some mythical “great game” switch once he sees “KINGS” or “SAC” on the opponents uniforms.

My follow up question would be, why aren’t you able to flip that switch every time against every team specifically the other 9 that also passed on you in 2011? Cleveland passed on you TWICE dude.

It always amuses when these players continue to hold grudges against teams well after those in charge back when the decisions were made are long gone. In the KINGS case, not even ownership is the same.

Someone should update Klay on current events. Plus, things turned out alright where he was drafted, no? SMH.
 
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