[Game] 56/82: Warriors @ Kings 21 FEB 2025, 7pm PT/10pm ET
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Right on point. "Unacceptable". Undersized geriatric "Warriors"? (more like war veterans) had how many offensive rebounds in the first q? Even if GSW had only one offensive rebound in the first 12 minutes - that's 1 too many. Remember when DC went with JV and Domas against small Dallas cause the main reason was to limit opponents offense to one shot? It worked then. Offense is just a mess right now. Does GSW have a big that can stop Domas alone in the paint? Nope. Immediate double or whatever help comes. Yet, Domas keep polishing three point line without any bleeping navigation.
Ahhhhhh, whatever. It's up to head coach or interim head coach to control his team and navigate it to the best result. There is no shame in losing in sports. As long as you do your best. Sad thing is that in NBA now coaches can't do their best. DC before ASB had to explain DDR and get his permission to sit him on the bench at the end of the game because the situation required that. So what, coaches nowadays have to negotiate with some of their players about what they should on the court???
Just to finish - if starters didn't show up - next game start another 5 guys. JV, Lyles, LaRavia, Ellis and Fultz - good luck starters beating them.
Ahhhhhh, whatever. It's up to head coach or interim head coach to control his team and navigate it to the best result. There is no shame in losing in sports. As long as you do your best. Sad thing is that in NBA now coaches can't do their best. DC before ASB had to explain DDR and get his permission to sit him on the bench at the end of the game because the situation required that. So what, coaches nowadays have to negotiate with some of their players about what they should on the court???
Just to finish - if starters didn't show up - next game start another 5 guys. JV, Lyles, LaRavia, Ellis and Fultz - good luck starters beating them.
There appears to be a long term development plan there. Same with Isaac Jones. All in all Jones has been no worse than Lyles yet he's not getting time either. The Kings are going all in on trying to push and using vets is what desperate teams tend to do. Fultz is a why not, devil you know, mid level ceiling you can trust retread that fits. If teams keep trying to pull that same rabbit out of that shallow hat on it's way to mediocrity and let potential die on the vine? Well, then you're the Sacramento Kings. What's new.
It is an unfortunate situation with Christie. Does he just make everyone happy and lose his job at the end of the year, or does he ruffle feathers and lose his job at the end of the year?
I think there are enough hungry players on this roster to help Christie with the latter. If he's the guy some of us believe he is, he'll work on the latter and we'll clean house in the off-season.
I think there are enough hungry players on this roster to help Christie with the latter. If he's the guy some of us believe he is, he'll work on the latter and we'll clean house in the off-season.
You have to look at the numbers since Christie took over. So lets say the last 15 games even though LaVine obviously doesn't have as many games, nonetheless.
Right now Keon with Monk and the starters is
Offense Defense. Net
118.2 119.6 -1.3
However, Keon and LaVine with the starters is
Offense Defense. Net
115.4 106.5 +8.9
Now, this might largely be because teams are starting to push the skinny guard combo of Monk and Keon down into the painted area and mid range consistently and then the help breaks down from there. Keon makes up for what he lacks in strength with great hands and effort, Monk very often does not. This is where you really see the difference between players like Fultz and Carter who have strength and length and play facing their man in the classic "sitting" position and rotate at a 180 degree angle facing the ball handler. Keon typically guards with one foot posted back behind him and at one angle for leverage so he can combat his man if they start to drive through him. The problem there is a players defensive "strike zone" if you will is basically the distance between the outward shoulder and the length of their back arm when outstretched. Half their wingspan essentially which leads a player open to giving up passing and driving angles to the rim. If a player can consistently face up their man and continuously change up their angle, they get every bit out of their wingspan and can use it to inhibit passing and iso driving. Fultz did some of last night although he's not all that great laterally in terms of speed when compared to someone like Devin Carter. Fultz is big and solid though and both can defend with their chest which you want out of at least one on ball defender. We'll see what happens but I'm not sure you can survive having two super skinny players at PG/SG at the same time. I guess it depends how teams attack it. Fox has legit strength and is more of a wiry type but now that he's gone teams are taking advantage of the Monk/Keon combo. I'd like to see the Kings finally start looking at the 5 mans and doing what they tell them.
Right now Keon with Monk and the starters is
Offense Defense. Net
118.2 119.6 -1.3
However, Keon and LaVine with the starters is
Offense Defense. Net
115.4 106.5 +8.9
Now, this might largely be because teams are starting to push the skinny guard combo of Monk and Keon down into the painted area and mid range consistently and then the help breaks down from there. Keon makes up for what he lacks in strength with great hands and effort, Monk very often does not. This is where you really see the difference between players like Fultz and Carter who have strength and length and play facing their man in the classic "sitting" position and rotate at a 180 degree angle facing the ball handler. Keon typically guards with one foot posted back behind him and at one angle for leverage so he can combat his man if they start to drive through him. The problem there is a players defensive "strike zone" if you will is basically the distance between the outward shoulder and the length of their back arm when outstretched. Half their wingspan essentially which leads a player open to giving up passing and driving angles to the rim. If a player can consistently face up their man and continuously change up their angle, they get every bit out of their wingspan and can use it to inhibit passing and iso driving. Fultz did some of last night although he's not all that great laterally in terms of speed when compared to someone like Devin Carter. Fultz is big and solid though and both can defend with their chest which you want out of at least one on ball defender. We'll see what happens but I'm not sure you can survive having two super skinny players at PG/SG at the same time. I guess it depends how teams attack it. Fox has legit strength and is more of a wiry type but now that he's gone teams are taking advantage of the Monk/Keon combo. I'd like to see the Kings finally start looking at the 5 mans and doing what they tell them.
Yeah, this.
My guess is Fox probably told us this summer there was nothing to worry about, he was just going to go for all nba, and would resign either way. But really, he was orchestrating this move the whole time and once it became 100% clear that all nba was off the table, he rug-pulled us.
Is what it is. Like i said at the time of the trade, 5.5/10 seems like a fair eval. Didn't get near the value we should have, but didn't walk with nothing either
My guess is Fox probably told us this summer there was nothing to worry about, he was just going to go for all nba, and would resign either way. But really, he was orchestrating this move the whole time and once it became 100% clear that all nba was off the table, he rug-pulled us.
Is what it is. Like i said at the time of the trade, 5.5/10 seems like a fair eval. Didn't get near the value we should have, but didn't walk with nothing either
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You don’t need leverage to get one good pick in a trade for a top 35 player. If they don’t wanna trade any hawks pick then you get this year's pick from them top 5 protected. Why would you want next years pick when it’s 100% gonna be worse you’re telling me you can’t get that pick at minimum. They wanted Lavine from the start and sacrificed assets for it that’s clear as day but but aye atleast we got the 11th seed for the next half decade
I think it was said that his knee was messed up most of last season and he might have been recovering. Look, no doubt, the guy is a walking injury list. The more I'm looking at this, I think the signing of Fultz was to try and see if the Kings could perhaps find a temporary replacement for Fox on the interior. Fultz isn't high on most teams list because of the injuries and he's not a noted shooter but if you look at his stats at the rim he's almost identical to Fox most seasons. Not quite as good but almost and with an even higher percentage of his shots being of near the rim.
Here's the truth, the answer has to be Carter at some point and now the Kings might actually really be riding on it. Haters take note, it's the only conclusion. Now he has to start really showing those PG skills because with Fox a combo G was more of a need and maybe more natural for Carter but the pnr play seen at Providence in his last season has to transfer over. Right now the only thing he does look really good at is the draw and kick which is supposedly what the Kings are looking for so... Even with the limited minutes he's played this season he's already 3rd in assist percentage on the team w/o Fox and in the list of players playing over 100 minutes of game time. Even above a supposed true PG in McLaughlin. His assist percentage is as a matter of fact right there with Lonzo this season at around 24%. Carter is more of a connective passer ATM but that might be just fine considering Domas' abilities.
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I thought we would crush the Dubs small ball lineup, instead, they manhandled us. Utter dominance., embarrassing.
They addressed their weakness by adding the right pieces, most notably Jimmy Butler before the deadline. We tried, but failed, the main focus should have been upgrading the starting unit.
Monte gotta go and Vivek, it's time to hand over the team to someone who can handle it better.
LaVine is an odd man out, even if he improves his production, period. The next is Deebo, it's his way or the Kings' style of way, we gotta choose one of them for good, they cannot co-exist on the court. No more scorers, they cannot make shots once they don the Kings jersey, anyway.
They addressed their weakness by adding the right pieces, most notably Jimmy Butler before the deadline. We tried, but failed, the main focus should have been upgrading the starting unit.
Monte gotta go and Vivek, it's time to hand over the team to someone who can handle it better.
LaVine is an odd man out, even if he improves his production, period. The next is Deebo, it's his way or the Kings' style of way, we gotta choose one of them for good, they cannot co-exist on the court. No more scorers, they cannot make shots once they don the Kings jersey, anyway.
Lets see. The advantage of a player like Carter isn't that rookies don't rookie, it's that hopefully their incline is a lot steeper since they typically don't have to physically develop in any drastic sense. 19-20 year olds in the NBA barely learned how to shave and some are even peach fuzzers so you usually have to wait a few years for there to be hair where there was no hair before, lol. At 22-23, if he's not ascending by next season then it's probably a flatter curve. Then he's probably a rotation level bencher at best.
Right now if you looked at Carters per minute productivity in limited game time and this was a crypto graph, the predictions are showing that the productivity might match up just the way you'd expect with time. That doesn't guarantee even if it does he's a starter in the league, helping you win, or even in the league in a few years but the areas where he's producing in a raw sense look about right. That's a pretty darn good sign. The defensive metrics in the 6 spaced areas of opponent shooting out to 29 feet show major potential and impact already. In fact he's leading in most of them amongst qualified players including Keon and Keegan. The areas where players can develop (handling, shooting) he has shown promise, the areas you can't or usually don't (elite athletic ability, upper range defensive capability, hustle, physicality) he has as well. No, this isn't someone that should be struggling to find an identity even by next season, he either gets it or he doesn't, but the opportunity has to come otherwise you're just wasting another lottery pick. Yeah, summer is going to be really important and the way the Kings have developed Keon is another reason to be hopeful.
Right now if you looked at Carters per minute productivity in limited game time and this was a crypto graph, the predictions are showing that the productivity might match up just the way you'd expect with time. That doesn't guarantee even if it does he's a starter in the league, helping you win, or even in the league in a few years but the areas where he's producing in a raw sense look about right. That's a pretty darn good sign. The defensive metrics in the 6 spaced areas of opponent shooting out to 29 feet show major potential and impact already. In fact he's leading in most of them amongst qualified players including Keon and Keegan. The areas where players can develop (handling, shooting) he has shown promise, the areas you can't or usually don't (elite athletic ability, upper range defensive capability, hustle, physicality) he has as well. No, this isn't someone that should be struggling to find an identity even by next season, he either gets it or he doesn't, but the opportunity has to come otherwise you're just wasting another lottery pick. Yeah, summer is going to be really important and the way the Kings have developed Keon is another reason to be hopeful.
