Kings active in trade talks?
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True but a team like Bucks or Jazz can't wait an extra year or two.
I mean I guess they could get top 5 draft picks for those two years and have 3 potential all stars whenParker comes back but then there's that whole team chemistry thing and adjusting to nba level so it wouldn't be until 2020 that they actually make playoffs assuming no busts
Idk not worth it to me
To be honest, I don't see him going top 5 if he goes on his missionary escapade
I mean I guess they could get top 5 draft picks for those two years and have 3 potential all stars whenParker comes back but then there's that whole team chemistry thing and adjusting to nba level so it wouldn't be until 2020 that they actually make playoffs assuming no busts
Idk not worth it to me
To be honest, I don't see him going top 5 if he goes on his missionary escapade
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Shanu Livingston imo could be a guy we look at next season (pretty sure he's a FA) if we don't draft a PG, he's shown to be a excellent defender and has high IQ with massive size and he's got a lot of his athletic ability back after that gross injury. Him starting with IT backing up could be pretty sweet.
Well, in theory he's very good fit for this team starving for guys willing to take a step back, and just set up others. Lack of outside shot is a small concern, and it's kinda strange he can't hit anything from outside as he's a career .801 FT shooter. Livingston hasn't missed any games so far, and definitely worth a try if his body continues to hold up.
It would be nice but I doubt OKC would do it. If they had a bad contract we could take as well maybe. Maybe Thomas and Thornton for lamb and Jackson plus somebody they want to shed.
Now i don't know if McLemore and Thomas could get it done but if it did I would have to have an Andre miller type in there while Reggie learns
Now i don't know if McLemore and Thomas could get it done but if it did I would have to have an Andre miller type in there while Reggie learns
The difference between you and me, is that you sometimes talk in absolutes. I try very hard not to. One thing I never do, at least not anymore because I've learned my lesson, is to pass judgement on young players. I'll tell you when I don't like a player, and why, but I also say that I could be wrong, and I have been wrong. Its one thing to give your opinion based on what you've seen so far, but its quite another to say that a player will not be this or that. Fact is, you don't know and neither do I. Now I've never said that Parker is going to be a sure fire HOF player. I have said that some scouts think he might be one, and that I agree with that assessment.
Now back to Parker. I've seen every game he's played that's been televised, and I think there are a few things going on that should be noted. But first, lets be a little realistic about his shot. Every player goes through a few slumps now and then. When a player shoots the ball extremely well for 10 or 12 games, and then goes into a slump for 2 or 3 games, why do you or any other nay sayer automaticly focus on the 2 or 3 games instead of the 10 or 12. When Chris Webber went through a mini-slump, I remember a game where he went something like 4 for 22, does that mean he suddenly became a bad shooter, or forgot how to shoot? Parker has been a very good shooter all through highschool and the beginning of his college career. So there's no reason to believe that his good shooting until his recent little slump is an illusion.
Also, its obvious that just about every team he faces now is planning their defense around him. He's getting a lot more defensive attention than he did earlier this season. Their making him work harder for his shot, and that's a good thing. He's going to have to adjust his game. What's noteworthy is that Rodney Hood has benefited from it. More attention to Parker has added up to less attention to Hood, who has suddenly come back to life offensively because he's getting better shots. I also don't think it helps Parker to have to play center and PF. He's a natural SF, and he's stuck playing out of position because the only true man Duke has, hopefully the last of the Plumlee's, just isn't much of a threat.
Now I'll admit that when I watch a player play, I tend to look for what he can do and not what he can't do. The reason being, is that I can always find things a player can't do. College basketball is littered with players that have multiple negatives. Whats hard to find is players that excel in anything. Players that are above average in some part of the game, whether its on the offensive side or defensive side of the ball. Much easier on the offensive side by the way because most young player grow up wanting to score. I also try to remind myself that I'm watching for the most part, players just out of highschool, and to watch them from that perspective, and not the perspective of NBA players. For me, its hard to separate those two things at times. What you see now, isn't what you should see 4 years from now, and you have to remember that. By you, I'm not speaking about you personally. With Parker, I feel safe in predicting that at worse, he's going to be a very good NBA player. At best, he'll be an all star, and perhaps, if he can remain injury free for the most part, a HOF player. But I could say that last part about a lot of young players loaded with talent coming into the league. You never know which one will really reach that level. And if so, sustain it.
Now back to Parker. I've seen every game he's played that's been televised, and I think there are a few things going on that should be noted. But first, lets be a little realistic about his shot. Every player goes through a few slumps now and then. When a player shoots the ball extremely well for 10 or 12 games, and then goes into a slump for 2 or 3 games, why do you or any other nay sayer automaticly focus on the 2 or 3 games instead of the 10 or 12. When Chris Webber went through a mini-slump, I remember a game where he went something like 4 for 22, does that mean he suddenly became a bad shooter, or forgot how to shoot? Parker has been a very good shooter all through highschool and the beginning of his college career. So there's no reason to believe that his good shooting until his recent little slump is an illusion.
Also, its obvious that just about every team he faces now is planning their defense around him. He's getting a lot more defensive attention than he did earlier this season. Their making him work harder for his shot, and that's a good thing. He's going to have to adjust his game. What's noteworthy is that Rodney Hood has benefited from it. More attention to Parker has added up to less attention to Hood, who has suddenly come back to life offensively because he's getting better shots. I also don't think it helps Parker to have to play center and PF. He's a natural SF, and he's stuck playing out of position because the only true man Duke has, hopefully the last of the Plumlee's, just isn't much of a threat.
Now I'll admit that when I watch a player play, I tend to look for what he can do and not what he can't do. The reason being, is that I can always find things a player can't do. College basketball is littered with players that have multiple negatives. Whats hard to find is players that excel in anything. Players that are above average in some part of the game, whether its on the offensive side or defensive side of the ball. Much easier on the offensive side by the way because most young player grow up wanting to score. I also try to remind myself that I'm watching for the most part, players just out of highschool, and to watch them from that perspective, and not the perspective of NBA players. For me, its hard to separate those two things at times. What you see now, isn't what you should see 4 years from now, and you have to remember that. By you, I'm not speaking about you personally. With Parker, I feel safe in predicting that at worse, he's going to be a very good NBA player. At best, he'll be an all star, and perhaps, if he can remain injury free for the most part, a HOF player. But I could say that last part about a lot of young players loaded with talent coming into the league. You never know which one will really reach that level. And if so, sustain it.
Lamb is shooting 45.0% overall and 38% from the three. He was a good shooter in college and he's still a good shooter, not to mention he's a very good defender. Lamb's problem is he needs to add strength. He has good size and length, but he's way to thin. This is only his second year in the league. I'd love to have him to develop. Jackson is in a similar position as Lamb. Still a young player that hasn't really gotten many minutes up till this year. Considering his experience, I think he's doing a credible job. I mean you can't compare him to Westbrook! The truth is, is that he's an inexperienced PG, and I have no doubt that the Thunder would love to have a more experienced PG out there.
I also think that Duke ran out of Plumblees a year too soon for Parker. And Clemson is one of those teams that may not be very talented, but they always look like pro version college team with at least meat and potato guys, for which Parker is not, nor should he be a match. My 'not HOF' comment was about him being a cross between Melo and Pierce and I agree that holds some truth, but let's not underestimated future HOFers: recently saw a game Heat@Knicks, and Melo was playing Bron really tough as he always does and Pierce was a go-to scorer for a championship team. And playing Parker as PF/C with physical struggles against tough players goes the other way as well: Duke has probably best outside shooting among top prospects team (if Wiggins, Embiid and Selden want to bust the zone, they have to do it themselves), so Parker with his skills and quite a bit of mismatches should be able to go to war against not very quick front-line guys, and he just doesn't, now that there's some adjustments and his shooting cooled off. Skills are still there though, just how impactful he is, that's the question.
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I understand that perfectly and as usual will follow. My point is that a trade has to take into account what is coming up in the draft. It is extremely likely that a defensive big will be found in the draft and any trade that discusses getting a big man should be moot. Why trade for one when one can be had for considerably less money in the draft? PGs is a completely different issue.
I presume that spoils the fun so we can continue to post trade after trade that ignores the reality of the draft.
I presume that spoils the fun so we can continue to post trade after trade that ignores the reality of the draft.
You mean like we've done for years? 
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
You mean like we've done for years?
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
I seem to recall a pretty big focus on the draft here since the Hawes draft - which means every lottery year since...oh man it's been so long! Anyway, combine another lottery year with a very high-talent draft, and you'll get that focus. I have a feeling that if Gay sticks around next year this will be our last lottery for a while.
It doesn't do much good to focus on the draft when you're bound to pick 29th or 30th.
I seem to recall a pretty big focus on the draft here since the Hawes draft - which means every lottery year since...oh man it's been so long! Anyway, combine another lottery year with a very high-talent draft, and you'll get that focus. I have a feeling that if Gay sticks around next year this will be our last lottery for a while.
I seem to recall a pretty big focus on the draft here since the Hawes draft - which means every lottery year since...oh man it's been so long! Anyway, combine another lottery year with a very high-talent draft, and you'll get that focus. I have a feeling that if Gay sticks around next year this will be our last lottery for a while.
I'd love to pick 29th or 30th.
I'll wait to see the movie before I believe the trailer. No doubt there is a lot of talent in this years draft, but (1) I will always take the sure thing over the risk if I can, and (2) the proof of this being a draft that will shake up the NBA will be next season. If I were to believe some posters and even professional sports writers then I would expect that the teams with the WORST records this season should become playoff teams in the next few seasons with the spoils of this league changing draft.
it's not just about the draft itself, truth be told; it's as much about the decline of the previous generations. the league will change dramatically in the next few seasons, if only through osmosis. the last of the old guard are slowly falling by the wayside. kobe bryant is kicking and screaming against the mileage to no avail. tim duncan and manu ginobili are nearing retirement, as is dirk nowitzki. steve nash is done. kevin garnett and paul pierce are done. etc...
then there's another group of established veterans, many of whom have disappointed at the present stage of their careers. amare stoudemire is barely a shadow of his former self. there are serious questions about whether or not carmelo anthony is a winner. deron williams can't stay on the court long enough to rediscover the magic. neither can his teammate brook lopez. andrew bynum is an embarrassing case study in failing to meet expectations. etc...
for teams with premiere young talents, the time to rocket up the standings is either right now, or it's right around the corner. the eastern conference playoff race is a joke. any of the east's worst teams should be able to take advantage of their various youth movements in the coming seasons and cement themselves near the top, behind indiana and miami (provided miami is able to lock up lebron james once again). and the western conference playoff race is wide open, with few teams able to truly distinguish themselves from the pack. we're seeing the young talent in phoenix take advantage of that fact...
while there are legitimate questions about just how high the ceiling actually is for the 2014 draft class, there's no denying that it is a very deep and talented pool of players. some of them will inevitably make a large dent in the nba landscape because there won't be very much standing in their way. in my opinion, it's a good time to have a high draft pick, to rebuild a losing team, and to reshape the future of the league. wherever the kings end up picking, they're likely to come away with a player who can make a difference...
then there's another group of established veterans, many of whom have disappointed at the present stage of their careers. amare stoudemire is barely a shadow of his former self. there are serious questions about whether or not carmelo anthony is a winner. deron williams can't stay on the court long enough to rediscover the magic. neither can his teammate brook lopez. andrew bynum is an embarrassing case study in failing to meet expectations. etc...
for teams with premiere young talents, the time to rocket up the standings is either right now, or it's right around the corner. the eastern conference playoff race is a joke. any of the east's worst teams should be able to take advantage of their various youth movements in the coming seasons and cement themselves near the top, behind indiana and miami (provided miami is able to lock up lebron james once again). and the western conference playoff race is wide open, with few teams able to truly distinguish themselves from the pack. we're seeing the young talent in phoenix take advantage of that fact...
while there are legitimate questions about just how high the ceiling actually is for the 2014 draft class, there's no denying that it is a very deep and talented pool of players. some of them will inevitably make a large dent in the nba landscape because there won't be very much standing in their way. in my opinion, it's a good time to have a high draft pick, to rebuild a losing team, and to reshape the future of the league. wherever the kings end up picking, they're likely to come away with a player who can make a difference...
You mean like we've done for years?
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
In all honesty, I don't think we used to focus on the draft to anything close to the extent to which we do now. Of course, back then we weren't depending on the draft to make us better...and we weren't always focused on the lottery because we weren't in it. Ah, the good old days.
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