Kings active in trade talks?
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Dion waiters is not garbage. When i watch him play the skills are undeniable. The talent is there. He needs coaching, better shot selection and needs to play less selfish. But man.... that talent is simply there..... some of the plays he makes.. prolly no more than a dozen players in the nba could. If things click in his head, star in the making. A bigger stronger version of monta ellis. Ellis has really turned things around with dirk and carlisle checking him.
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Yeah, seriously. Brandon Knight just got back though and Sanders has been injured most of the season, so they're not as bad as their record indicates. I'd be shocked if they reacted by selling off Sanders, but we can hope anyway. 
And he was massively underperforming when he was healthy. I wouldn't go there. At 12 million for 4 years starting NEXT season? Pass.
I would love to get Evan Turner on this team. I'm not sure if they're willing to get John Salmons or Marcus Thornton, but if they want to suck then both of them would be good. And maybe (who knows) they're willing to give them a chance and see if they need a change in scenery....We can also give Patterson & Outlaw if they're interested. Patterson's contract expires at the end of this year and Outlaw might come of use to them the following year (trade wise). And they don't have to take a big contract back, like they would if they would trade for either John or Marcus.
Sacramento Kings to continue trading
http://kingjamesgospel.com/2013/11/28/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings/
http://kingjamesgospel.com/2013/11/28/nba-trade-rumors-sacramento-kings/
I don't think IT is going anywhere either. He's one of the few players on this team who positively impact the game. Other than Cousins, who does? I also agree that it would be hard to get equal value for him, and unlike others, I don't think he's going to command that high of a contract at the end of the year because of his size. A team might overpay Tyreke Evans at $11 mill/year, but probably not IT. All that said, this new organization has a scant track record and is therefore difficult to predict. We'll have to wait and see.
This is actually the fear would I have for him . But I agree, what he brings would be hard to trade. Intangibles like heart, being fan favorite, changing pace/energy, being a great locker room guy, being clutch and leading comebacks don't tend to appear on the stat sheet even though they are important for the culture of a franchise. He's also young himself and fits age wise with the core.
. But I agree, what he brings would be hard to trade. Intangibles like heart, being fan favorite, changing pace/energy, being a great locker room guy, being clutch and leading comebacks don't tend to appear on the stat sheet even though they are important for the culture of a franchise. He's also young himself and fits age wise with the core.
This is actually the fear would I have for him . But I agree, what he brings would be hard to trade. Intangibles like heart, being fan favorite, changing pace/energy, being a great locker room guy, being clutch and leading comebacks don't tend to appear on the stat sheet even though they are important for the culture of a franchise. He's also young himself and fits age wise with the core.
. But I agree, what he brings would be hard to trade. Intangibles like heart, being fan favorite, changing pace/energy, being a great locker room guy, being clutch and leading comebacks don't tend to appear on the stat sheet even though they are important for the culture of a franchise. He's also young himself and fits age wise with the core.
Sanders is a headcase and had trouble finding his role under a new coach, but flat out passing on the guy because of what happened this season is premature. dude is one of the very best defenders in the league and this is not a case of a guy hurting his team by roaming and just looking for shots to block either. he's a terror in p'n'r coverages and in helpside defence, rebounds at an elite level and improving as an offensive player. if the Bucks are willing to trade the guy for anything other than our three top assets -and I'd at least stop and think if they were asking for Ben-, then I'm taking that trade (and buying tech foul insurance).
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While Sanders would be a unreal pick up at the price imo we are better off looking for cheaper alternatives such as Amir Johnson, Taj Gibson, Udoh (I still think he's got potential) players in this mould to pair with Cousins, while they might not be as good as Larry they can still do a solid job. I've slowly got to the point where I had enough of JT as the starting PF.
By far the most entertaining as well, from a pure fit and entertainment point of view I don't know if there is anyone else I would rather pair with Cuz that would be insanity with wonderful basketball all wrapped into one.
Larry after being ejected lol, got to love characters in basketball
Larry after being ejected lol, got to love characters in basketball
I don't think they signed just to immediately trade him for such stars as salmons and Thornton. I'm assuming they'd want quite a bit, mclemore plus IT plus expiring salmons? Maybe?
I'm biased. Sanders left a big whole in my fantasy roster by being terrible in the games he played and then a fight in a club? C'mon Larry.
I know when right he's one of the best shot blockers in the league. He'd have made 100% more sense to sign over Landry. Even at 12 million. Of course any player over 6'10 would make more sense than landry.
I'm biased. Sanders left a big whole in my fantasy roster by being terrible in the games he played and then a fight in a club? C'mon Larry.
I know when right he's one of the best shot blockers in the league. He'd have made 100% more sense to sign over Landry. Even at 12 million. Of course any player over 6'10 would make more sense than landry.
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As far as I know it's strictly speculation.
After helping Dallas win their championship Barea ended up getting a 4-year deal for around 19 million dollars, Crawford is making about 5.5m a year after being known as probably the best bench scorer in the league, and Nate is making a touch over 2m a year after carrying the scoring for Chicago in the play-offs last year.
IT is putting up great numbers and at the moment we struggle if he is off his game so the question is whether he can maintain his production and if he can what he and his agent think it's worth.
I would think the FO would value him somewhere between Robinson and Barea and probably not quite as high as Crawford right now.
I guess we'll see if he ends up being a trading chip because if we don't end up trading him then you would think that the Kings would have had conversations with him already to get a ball-park idea and that we'd be planning on keeping him unless he gets a completely out-of-the-ballpark offer from somewhere else.
After helping Dallas win their championship Barea ended up getting a 4-year deal for around 19 million dollars, Crawford is making about 5.5m a year after being known as probably the best bench scorer in the league, and Nate is making a touch over 2m a year after carrying the scoring for Chicago in the play-offs last year.
IT is putting up great numbers and at the moment we struggle if he is off his game so the question is whether he can maintain his production and if he can what he and his agent think it's worth.
I would think the FO would value him somewhere between Robinson and Barea and probably not quite as high as Crawford right now.
I guess we'll see if he ends up being a trading chip because if we don't end up trading him then you would think that the Kings would have had conversations with him already to get a ball-park idea and that we'd be planning on keeping him unless he gets a completely out-of-the-ballpark offer from somewhere else.
lol. I get an enormous kick out of this Larry Sanders superstar stuff that has sprung up around the net.
Larry Sanders has half a season of good basketball under his belt, and off of it they signed him to a stupid contract. At which point he fell on his face and them went and hurt himself in a barroom brawl. right now he's a guy averaging 2.7pts 3.7reb on a $12mil contract. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have a hard time moving for anything right now until he gets back and proves he's not a flash in the pan contract year warrior. You gamble and are wrong on a $12mil contract, you trash your team's future. Make the Biedrins signing look like nothing.
I don't see them moving him just months after dropping the big contract on him as their latest great hope, but if they were going to, I guarantee nobody over these is delusional enough to be demanding a superstar in return. For a team with no backcourt, an IT/Ben combo would be quite the haul in return.
Larry Sanders has half a season of good basketball under his belt, and off of it they signed him to a stupid contract. At which point he fell on his face and them went and hurt himself in a barroom brawl. right now he's a guy averaging 2.7pts 3.7reb on a $12mil contract. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have a hard time moving for anything right now until he gets back and proves he's not a flash in the pan contract year warrior. You gamble and are wrong on a $12mil contract, you trash your team's future. Make the Biedrins signing look like nothing.
I don't see them moving him just months after dropping the big contract on him as their latest great hope, but if they were going to, I guarantee nobody over these is delusional enough to be demanding a superstar in return. For a team with no backcourt, an IT/Ben combo would be quite the haul in return.
I think some are massively overvaluing sanders right now.
He may turn it around, but right now he's got biedrins and Marcus Thornton stink all over him. Get a contract based off a half season, then stop playing. It happens quite a bit. It's too early to say that's what is happening, but he was really really bad in the games he did play this year. Top 20 player? Nah. He's still potential not a real proven product.
If IT wants more than 2-3 million, I wouldn't sign him. What he does doesn't have much value. And we already are committed to Landry.
He may turn it around, but right now he's got biedrins and Marcus Thornton stink all over him. Get a contract based off a half season, then stop playing. It happens quite a bit. It's too early to say that's what is happening, but he was really really bad in the games he did play this year. Top 20 player? Nah. He's still potential not a real proven product.
If IT wants more than 2-3 million, I wouldn't sign him. What he does doesn't have much value. And we already are committed to Landry.
What do you think he's worth? I mean, I'm really confused at why anyone would see IT as anything more than what he is, which is a 2-3 million per year, maybe 3-4 type player. Right between Robsinson (who is old, so i get the 2 million) and barea, and well below crawford.
Anything more, it'd be insanity. We don't need another MT making 8 million.
When I say he doesn't have much value, I mean monetarily. Well, and in real life. He's a decent off off the bench scorer who is too undersized to ever dream about being a starter. That doesn't make you big bucks. Nor should it. We can't afford it, and neither can anyone else. It's just the reality of the NBA.
Mentioning IT/McLemore in regards to Sanders was really just to point out, it'll take A LOT to pry him loose. Not sure we even have enough.
Anything more, it'd be insanity. We don't need another MT making 8 million.
When I say he doesn't have much value, I mean monetarily. Well, and in real life. He's a decent off off the bench scorer who is too undersized to ever dream about being a starter. That doesn't make you big bucks. Nor should it. We can't afford it, and neither can anyone else. It's just the reality of the NBA.
Mentioning IT/McLemore in regards to Sanders was really just to point out, it'll take A LOT to pry him loose. Not sure we even have enough.
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Spot on.
And IT's value for us currently is somewhat inflated since we don't have a decent offensive option outside of Cuz. MLM hopefully down the road but he hasn't arrived yet. Have a legit 2nd option, then MLM and 2-3 consistent spot up shooters, IT's value wouldn't be what it is now. We need him to score out of pure necessity, hence the inflated value. As we add to this roster and gain more balance, his value likely does fall between 2-3M as his role diminishes.
We also need a PG. Vasquez doesn't cut it. Get a legit, top 10-12 PG and that cuts into IT's role even more. On top of that, we have Landry's 6.7M, MT's 8.7M and Chuck's 6M contracts next year, almost 21M in salary alone tied up in those three bench players. We need to start investing more in our starting lineup and getting some real talent, not add yet anther 5M+ contract on the bench and have a minimum of 26M tied up in just four bench players while our starting lineup bleeds talent.
And IT's value for us currently is somewhat inflated since we don't have a decent offensive option outside of Cuz. MLM hopefully down the road but he hasn't arrived yet. Have a legit 2nd option, then MLM and 2-3 consistent spot up shooters, IT's value wouldn't be what it is now. We need him to score out of pure necessity, hence the inflated value. As we add to this roster and gain more balance, his value likely does fall between 2-3M as his role diminishes.
We also need a PG. Vasquez doesn't cut it. Get a legit, top 10-12 PG and that cuts into IT's role even more. On top of that, we have Landry's 6.7M, MT's 8.7M and Chuck's 6M contracts next year, almost 21M in salary alone tied up in those three bench players. We need to start investing more in our starting lineup and getting some real talent, not add yet anther 5M+ contract on the bench and have a minimum of 26M tied up in just four bench players while our starting lineup bleeds talent.
Definitely buy low, buy low. 12 million won't break the bank and it would be much better spent on him rather than a combo of pick your favorite two of Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, or Chuck Hayes. The one intriguing thing about Sanders to me is that he has some talent to go with his shotblocking abilities. He can handle the ball a little bit and has a pretty solid mid range jumper. I'm not so sure how much the new group running the show values a defensive big, so far what they've done has been the exact opposite of getting better defensively via personnel.
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