Donte.

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With donte playing so well at PF do you think we really need to get a new bigman right now? i meen the new big would just take those minutes from him.. dontes growing as a player pretty fast... and getting another big might disrupt that. I think we should keep giving Donte minutes at the 4 to develop him. And try and draft a defensive bigman..
Right now its looking like donte should be out on the court as much as possible.
 
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Um...one word: yes. Donte might play like this against the Knicks and run and gun Suns with Grant Hill guarding him, but how does he fair at the 4 against bigger and more talented guys like Bosh, Jefferson, Camby, Nowitski, K-Mart, and Jeff Green...he gets pushed around alot...he's still too small/skinny to be an everyday PF in the league.
 
Right now its looking like donte should be out on the court as much as possible.

I agree with this part. That's about it. Small-ballin' suits his strengths. The everyday wear and tear of the PF position would get to him, and we would lose his perimeter range. He's a better mismatch at the SF position.
 
If you are planning on playing Donte at PF full time, then you better make sure that your C is Dwight Howard!

Donte is a SF who can play some minutes at 4 and 2 but primarily he is a 3. We still need some major frontcourt help because I don't think you would star Donte at PF against teams like Utah for example.
 
With donte playing so well at PF do you think we really need to get a new bigman? i meen the new big would just take those minutes from him.. dontes growing as a player pretty fast... and getting another big might disrupt that. I think we should keep giving Donte minutes at the 4 to develop him. And try and draft a defensive bigman..
Right now its looking like donte should be out on the court as much as possible.


He definitely needs to be out there, albeit maybe as a really tremendous 3-positions 6th man. I want to see him getng 25+ min every night, 30+ if he is playing well. The PF stuff...remember that tongiht he was basically playing against a SF. He wasn't actually a PF, and neither is Wilson Chandler or Jared Jeffries or Gallinari. Just small ball stuff.
 
He does well against up tempo teams that don't rely on an interior presence in a half court set.
 
hes inconsistent.. hell drop 31, come back and drop 4... then drop 26... we need consistency

The thing is.. we dont need consistency right now as much as we need development. were not going anywhere this year except the lottery.. We are going right back to the place where we got evans and im pretty sure everyone agrees that is a wonderful place.

What WE NEED right now is Donte getting all the minutes possible. another big would knock donte out of the rotation up front and he would have to share minutes with our logjam of swingmen again.

And when garcia is back even more minutes will be eaten up at the 2 and 3.
 
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News Flash: Kings have 17 wins.

One player playing well does not change the fact that we are desperately lacking in the big man department.
 
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Um...one word: yes. Donte might play like this against the Knicks and run and gun Suns with Grant Hill guarding him, but how does he fair at the 4 against bigger and more talented guys like Bosh, Jefferson, Camby, Nowitski, K-Mart, and Jeff Green...he gets pushed around alot...he's still too small/skinny to be an everyday PF in the league.

Hes no worse defensively then JT and Hawes down low soo i dont see how being pushed around matters.. because every one of our bigs except brockness gets pushed around.

Yah he will prolly get abused down low alot but he will gain pretty valuable defensive experience playing alot of minutes at PF.. And I thinkt that could value this team alot in the end.
 
I agree with this part. That's about it. Small-ballin' suits his strengths. The everyday wear and tear of the PF position would get to him, and we would lose his perimeter range. He's a better mismatch at the SF position.

yah but think of this as the chance to hone his mismatching potential at the 4. He could learn alot of valuable lessons at the 4 this year.. And even if he dosent end up playing pf in the longrun, we would b pretty confident playing him there knowing hes got experience at that position.
 
Hes no worse defensively then JT and Hawes down low

thats not setting the bar very high...


Look theres no if's and's or but's about it.... GREENES A SF !!!

yes with special small ball matchups he can play PF.... but not day in and day out...

we not only need another 1 or 2 big's we DESPERATELY NEED ANOTHER 1 OR 2 BIGS
 
Im not sure how much position matters with Greene. He just needs minutes.

He can play PF against certain teams, SF .. even SG if we want to go big. The NBA is changing. With so may teams running out small ball lineups as long as Greene is on the floor somewhere he can be effective. Fortunetly I think Westphal gets it with him at this point. Hes playing Greene in all sorts of spots, and thats exactly how he should be used. I just hope his minutes stay consistent.
 
jerry made a good point that when we have the combination of Evans, Martin, and Greene on the court it can be hard for teams to guard us.

with Kevin being a knock-down shooter(IMO) and defenses having to guard the perimeter, with Greene being a walking mismatch and also streching the defense with his deep shooting, and Tyreke basically being unguardable 1-on-1.

keep in mind jerry is a homer and we were playing the knicks
 
keep in mind jerry is a homer and we were playing the knicks
And those are the key here!

This is the same guy that has been bragging how Kenny Thomas is going to give bigger PFs trouble because of his quickness. Turns out the only time Kenny's quickness was useful for him was when there was a racing players to the waving towel!
 
Donte needs to play at the 3. He is a 3. He is a potential mismatch at the 3, and he is playing out of position at the 4. Blatently obvious that he needs as many minutes as possible, but I'd prefer it that they are minutes at his natural position.

What needs to happen, is that Petrie has to get rid of Noc. And Martin (this is more about freeing up time for Garcia at the 2, which will in turn give more minutes to Donte and Omri at the 3).

We have a lot of talent, its going to be a logjam. Out with the old in with the new. Donte is a beast. Omri is SOLID. Its looking like this team is set at the 3 for years to come.
 
We seem to have a "flavor" of the month problem with our players. I have noticed it happening quite often, the only consistent player seems to be Tyreke Evans. So Donte is our "flavor" for right now. Just as an example Beno did it a month or so ago, then Omri and a few others, so not really surprised its his turn now.
 
We already have a starter-quality small forward: his name is Donte Greene.
I disagree. Greene is coming along much better than I thought but with all his flash he still needs his basketball head screwed on a bit tighter. His regular foolish mistakes keeps him out of the quality starter class IMO. Frankly, I didn't think he'd come this far and he has and that's great and it pleases me (to eat crow regarding Greene).
 
I disagree. Greene is coming along much better than I thought but with all his flash he still needs his basketball head screwed on a bit tighter. His regular foolish mistakes keeps him out of the quality starter class IMO. Frankly, I didn't think he'd come this far and he has and that's great and it pleases me (to eat crow regarding Greene).
If you do not think that Greene is a starting-quality small forward, then you may have an unrealistic concept of what a starting-quality small forward is. Most starting small forwards are not the stars of their teams; most starting small forwards are either spot-up shooters (like Galinari and Richardson), or defensive specialists (like Prince and Battier). Barely a third of the starting small forwards in the league are averaging even fifteen points a game, and only five are averaging twenty or better. In fact, most starting small forwards in the league appear to be averaging between eight and twelve points, so he appears to be in good company offensively. Defensively, we see this kid improving on a daily basis, and he's certainly on par with the average 3. His rebounding isn't quite up to snuff, but I'll allow that from a second-year player who not only hasn't yet been given a clear role on the team, but hasn't even been given a clear position.

The LeBron James', Carmelo Anthonys and Kevin Durants of the world are few and far between, but just because Greene is not on their level does not mean he's not a starter. This seems like the same line of faulty reasoning that causes people to think that, because Jason Thompson isn't as good as Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer, that he's not good enough to start. I'd be willing to bet that there are as many as five playoff teams that would, right now, trade us their starting small forward straight up (and, in a couple of cases, maybe even throw in a draft pick) for Greene.
 
With this being Dantes first year getting quality consistent minutes I see alot of promise in him as our starting 3. He's a great defender and has a nice offensive game if he can put it all together, I see him being a less prolific, more athletic Dirk Nowitzki especially if he can get that top of the key elbow jumper down.
 
Donte's a 3, but I really really want him to be a starting 2. He's a pretty poor rebounder, but he can develop a good post-up game. With Reke at the 1, I just want him at the 2 long term. I also prefer Casspi at the 3.
 
If you do not think that Greene is a starting-quality small forward, then you may have an unrealistic concept of what a starting-quality small forward is. Most starting small forwards are not the stars of their teams; most starting small forwards are either spot-up shooters (like Galinari and Richardson), or defensive specialists (like Prince and Battier). Barely a third of the starting small forwards in the league are averaging even fifteen points a game, and only five are averaging twenty or better. In fact, most starting small forwards in the league appear to be averaging between eight and twelve points, so he appears to be in good company offensively. Defensively, we see this kid improving on a daily basis, and he's certainly on par with the average 3. His rebounding isn't quite up to snuff, but I'll allow that from a second-year player who not only hasn't yet been given a clear role on the team, but hasn't even been given a clear position.

The LeBron James', Carmelo Anthonys and Kevin Durants of the world are few and far between, but just because Greene is not on their level does not mean he's not a starter. This seems like the same line of faulty reasoning that causes people to think that, because Jason Thompson isn't as good as Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer, that he's not good enough to start. I'd be willing to bet that there are as many as five playoff teams that would, right now, trade us their starting small forward straight up (and, in a couple of cases, maybe even throw in a draft pick) for Greene.
I can't argue with your appraisal of his offensive and defensive performance. He is those things. Where I see a problem is with his basketball sense, his oncourt 'with it ness'. Maybe it's just immaturity - I hope so - but I can still see how he drives his coaches crazy. But I think he is slowly getting better (not with his O or D but his basketball judgement).
 
Funny thing with Donte I notice alot when he is benched I have no idea why. There have been plenty of times where he has started pick up a quick foul or two and isn't heard from the rest of the game. Now if its the fouls that keep him on the bench then thats fine, but Ive really never see him show ineptness on the court. Although last night there was that silly play to end the 2nd q, the turnover on the inbounds. Regardless I see Dante as the type of guy that needs the mins to get used to the NBA, he's got all the physical tools.

Anybody have any examples of any times he's showed a lack of a bball iq?
 
Donte's a 3, but I really really want him to be a starting 2. He's a pretty poor rebounder, but he can develop a good post-up game. With Reke at the 1, I just want him at the 2 long term. I also prefer Casspi at the 3.

I agree

PG - Evans
SG - Green
SF - Casspi

That back court has mismatch written all over it
 
Oh yeah haha last season he definately did not look like he was ever gonna get the grasp of professional basketball, which makes the thought of guys like reke, Donte and Omri having a offseason to get better and practice together gonna be great to hear about.
 
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