Current Team Discussion and Possible Trades
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Middleton out 7 months with a hamstring injury.......hey Bucks any interest in Gay?
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KingMilz
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Can't they just slide Giannis or Parker there?
biltalent
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I agree that the Bucks don't necessarily need Gay and I don't see a deal that makes sense for us because either Monroe or Henson would have to be involved. So unless a third team is involved I don't see Rudy moving just yet.
But don't the Bucks play Middleton at SG a lot of the time? Maybe Mclemore for MCW/Tyler Ennis?
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KingMilz
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The Bucks got Rashad Vaughan who @SG they have massive hopes for he struggled as a rookie (was brutal at times) but the kid has a stroke and could be a very decent player I think they would rather develop him than develop Ben.
There are 3 way possibilities and I think losing Middleton could hasten up the process of trading Monroe since he's legit got no space to operate since the core guys the Bucks are building around are CURRENTLY not shooters in Parker/Giannis/Maker. This is all off course speculation on my part but I'm trying to figure out what teams can use Monroe and atm it's mainly maybe Portland/NOP/Dallas/Memphis (to replace aging Z-Bo)
Side Note: I have never heard someone being out 6 months+ from a hamstring I know guys in Australian Football who tore it completely off the bone and were back in 3-4months.
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KingsFanGER
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I don't think Portland is interested in Monroe. They seem to like the low maintenance, defensive center to get along with their ball dominant, shot happy perimeter guys. Plumlee gives them great playmaking and everything else they need from the center position. Ezeli is a great backup when healthy. Why try to fit in a low post scorer, who isn't great at running the floor and isn't the best rim protector? Lillard and McCollum aren't particularly good defenders. You need guys to cover their mistakes.
From the teams you mentioned the Pelicans make the most sense. Given AD's footspeed a frontcourt of him and Monroe looks pretty scary on paper. And if Ad goes down they have someone to keep the offense afloat down low. But this means, that the Pelicans don't opt for playing AD at center and trying to play a smallish, running style with Hill/Gee/Cunningham/Jones at PF. With all those combo forwards on the roster and with the best players outside of AD at the guard positions, I expect a lot of 3 guard lineups with AD at center. Still Monroe is a huge upgrade over any of their pretty crappy big guys. But if Gentry likes to run (
), than he will be in a backup role, meaning the Pelicans will only offer very little value for him.The Monroe situation is kinda sad. Such a rock solid player, but most teams simply go in a completely different direction and have no need for him.
The league is trending away towards the Monroe/Okafor types of players. I wouldn't mind Monroe here at all. Would be a troubling fit on defense alongside Cousins, but the offensive value would certainly be there. I'm imagining a lot of good high-low post action from Cuz to Monroe.I don't think Portland is interested in Monroe. They seem to like the low maintenance, defensive center to get along with their ball dominant, shot happy perimeter guys. Plumlee gives them great playmaking and everything else they need from the center position. Ezeli is a great backup when healthy. Why try to fit in a low post scorer, who isn't great at running the floor and isn't the best rim protector? Lillard and McCollum aren't particularly good defenders. You need guys to cover their mistakes.
From the teams you mentioned the Pelicans make the most sense. Given AD's footspeed a frontcourt of him and Monroe looks pretty scary on paper. And if Ad goes down they have someone to keep the offense afloat down low. But this means, that the Pelicans don't opt for playing AD at center and trying to play a smallish, running style with Hill/Gee/Cunningham/Jones at PF. With all those combo forwards on the roster and with the best players outside of AD at the guard positions, I expect a lot of 3 guard lineups with AD at center. Still Monroe is a huge upgrade over any of their pretty crappy big guys. But if Gentry likes to run (
The Monroe situation is kinda sad. Such a rock solid player, but most teams simply go in a completely different direction and have no need for him.
We would play at a slower pace and surround both guys with good shooters. I'd do Gay straight up for Monroe. That offensive pairing reminds me of Gasol-Zbo a little bit.
KingsFanGER
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The league is trending towards Monroe and Okafor? In this case I missed something.
Tall, agile bigs with floor spacing ability (Towns, Porzingis) - Ok I could see the reasoning behind that. But Monroe and Okafor?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
There is a slight interest there in the MCW possibility, just because we've made noises of looking for a Doug Christie, and there are none at SG. But what if you found a long armed 6'6" PG with defense potential instead, moved him to SG, and taught him how to shoot?
KingsFanGER
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That's what teams have tried for a few years now - teach him how to shoot.
But even with his struggles from the perimeter I think a lineup of
DC
MCW
Gay/Barnes/Casspi
Casspi/Barnes/Gay/Skal
DMC
has enough spacing to work with.
MCW for Ben is pretty good value in a trade, if MCW has recovered from his hip injury.
Simon CW
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Let's get crazy, and see if this injury for the Bucks could our opportunity. Rudy + Ben + Kosta <> MCW + Monroe + 2nd round or O'Brien
Lawson
Afflalo
Barnes
Monroe / WCS
Boogie
Temple (DC)
MCW
Cassai
Tolliver
WCS / Monroe
Spacing might be a bit tight for the starting five, but the presence down low might be enough ton win a lot of games. WCS and Monroe can be switch according to the match-ups. If the opposite gave a stretch 4, then Willy stars and Monroe will bully the opposite bench.
I will be sad to lose Benny but I like MCW a lot (mainly because he has almost the same initials than me, and more seriously because I still believe in him. His size and his vision are a good tools to play basketball with. He doesn't have a shoot but provides ball mouvement, passing, and can with on defense on all type of perimeter profiles. In a sixth men role, I'm sure he will thrill. He might also, in the process, become a good small forward, a bit like Jalen Rose evolved from being a tall point guard to a versatile small forward.
Lawson
Afflalo
Barnes
Monroe / WCS
Boogie
Temple (DC)
MCW
Cassai
Tolliver
WCS / Monroe
Spacing might be a bit tight for the starting five, but the presence down low might be enough ton win a lot of games. WCS and Monroe can be switch according to the match-ups. If the opposite gave a stretch 4, then Willy stars and Monroe will bully the opposite bench.
I will be sad to lose Benny but I like MCW a lot (mainly because he has almost the same initials than me, and more seriously because I still believe in him. His size and his vision are a good tools to play basketball with. He doesn't have a shoot but provides ball mouvement, passing, and can with on defense on all type of perimeter profiles. In a sixth men role, I'm sure he will thrill. He might also, in the process, become a good small forward, a bit like Jalen Rose evolved from being a tall point guard to a versatile small forward.
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Well, what MCW showed, he clearly can't do, is shoot off the dribble. But people with handles repeatedly showed, that they can acquire set shot with enough repeatition. Think of late career Jason Kidd, Mavs' Harris ona lesser scale.
Now you would have to convince MCW, that's how his future in the league looks like, and that's a totally different problem.
P.S. Monroe otoh has no role here.
Now you would have to convince MCW, that's how his future in the league looks like, and that's a totally different problem.
P.S. Monroe otoh has no role here.
Haha, sorry I meant the exact opposite. The league is trending away from bigs like Monroe and Okafor.The league is trending towards Monroe and Okafor? In this case I missed something.
Tall, agile bigs with floor spacing ability (Towns, Porzingis) - Ok I could see the reasoning behind that. But Monroe and Okafor?
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KingMilz
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Bucks got Beasley for Tyler Ennis (who I would not have minded to try develop) so I doubt they want Rudy.
Simon CW
Prospect
Well, with this Koufos (semi)-news, what about a trade with the Cavs.
Koufos + Gay + Mc Lemore <> Shumpert + Love. The Cavs might need a true wing more than a stretch power forward along James (who plays more and more like a playmaking 4), but I don't know why they would mess their chemistry since they just won the ring.
Koufos + Gay + Mc Lemore <> Shumpert + Love. The Cavs might need a true wing more than a stretch power forward along James (who plays more and more like a playmaking 4), but I don't know why they would mess their chemistry since they just won the ring.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
What news?
twslam07
All-Star
Just a report that they are believed to be looking at deals involving Koufos
http://hoopshype.com/player/kosta-koufos/
twslam07
All-Star
There's no way Cleveland is doing that from a talent/value perspective let alone a chemistry perspective.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
It's that teaching him how to shoot thing that bothers me. His shooting has been his problem from the start. Not saying it's not possible, but it's not as if others haven't been trying to do just that since he's been in the league. He's a little better shooter than Marcus Smart, I'll give you that.
Just seems ridiculous that they're even considering trading Kosta. What are we going to do with the free money? Free agents aren't going to come around here and Koufos is one of the better free agents we've signed in quite a while. So we're going to trade him while not having much depth at the backup C spot and then we're going to turn around and hope we can sign someone of Koufos' talent next year when we have money. We know we aren't going to sign any big names so you basically have to hope that you tread water once you trade him.
I don't know about you guys but I never watched a Kings game and thought "We would have won that game if not for f****** Kosta Koufos".
I don't know about you guys but I never watched a Kings game and thought "We would have won that game if not for f****** Kosta Koufos".
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well thing is: Doug Christie was a lousy shooter. Till the end of his career he sucked. Ditto JKidd. I think lousy shooters largely remain lousy shooters. BUT, what I mean by "shoot" for our purposes is the same thing Doug did or Kidd did: develop a set 3pt shot. And that does seem to be possible with enough practice (another reason they have to do something with the 3pt shot -- the most powerful weapon in the game is available to basically any scrub, big man, or middle aged high school teacher who practices it enough). You develop a feet set three point shot and you can play SG and provide space in a roleplayer way. Don't actually care if he can ever shoot off the dribble. If we're looking for Doug Pt. II, we aren't looking for a scorer there anyway. Just a guy who can provide space, and then bring the rest of the Christie skill package -- creative passer, long armed defense, ability to bring it up).
bajaden
Hall of Famer
From that perspective, I tend to agree with you. Still a bit skeptical, but he wouldn't be a huge risk money wise, and he has a lot of Doug's skills. A good passer, but not really a PG. A good defender who knows how to play team defense. I guess my question to him would be, are yo willing to buy in, and give up this idea of being an NBA PG.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
A conversation that Doug Christie could have with him. That came out of Pepperdine thinking he was going to be a point guard in the NBA, events and that his skill-set translated into a much different career course. Nothing persuades more than the voice of experience.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Kings/Celtics/Pelicans trade proposal
Kings outgoing:
Koufos (Boston
Gay (New Orleans)
Kings incoming:
Terry Rozier
Jerebko
T. Evans
Why for New Orleans. Their backcourt is decent right now even without the currently injured Evans. Gay and Davis could potentially play really well together with their combined skill and ability to play above the rim.
Why for Boston. They need a shot blocking presence around the paint and Koufos would fit that bill nicely. Sure they give up some talent but what they would net in return especially in terms of NEED I would think it would be worth it for them.
Why for Sac. Koufos while a good Center overall just doesn't compliment Cousins on the court he's essentially his backup. If Joeger can find a way to stagger the mins at the 5 & 4 we could be a better balanced team.
Jerebko would retain us some of our depth in the front court and Rozier (who I like as a prospect) could really pan out for us long term. IF and I mean IF we're in the hunt down the stretch Tyreke could return to action and help shore up the guards and bingo were back in business.
Kings outgoing:
Koufos (Boston
Gay (New Orleans)
Kings incoming:
Terry Rozier
Jerebko
T. Evans
Why for New Orleans. Their backcourt is decent right now even without the currently injured Evans. Gay and Davis could potentially play really well together with their combined skill and ability to play above the rim.
Why for Boston. They need a shot blocking presence around the paint and Koufos would fit that bill nicely. Sure they give up some talent but what they would net in return especially in terms of NEED I would think it would be worth it for them.
Why for Sac. Koufos while a good Center overall just doesn't compliment Cousins on the court he's essentially his backup. If Joeger can find a way to stagger the mins at the 5 & 4 we could be a better balanced team.
Jerebko would retain us some of our depth in the front court and Rozier (who I like as a prospect) could really pan out for us long term. IF and I mean IF we're in the hunt down the stretch Tyreke could return to action and help shore up the guards and bingo were back in business.
- Collison / Lawson / Farmar
- Afflalo / Mclemore / Temple / Richardson (d league)
- Casspi / Barnes
- WCS / Tolliver / Jerebko / Skal
- Dmc / Papa
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Hoovtrain
All-Star
I'm confused....who do the Kings get? I don't see them reflected (other than Jerebko)
upinsmoke
All-Star
Rozier, jerbko and T. Evans.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Thanks. i think it was the new kings lineup not reflecting the players that threw me
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Apparently Rozier is having a terrific camp for them, so getting him included might be a problem.
CelticsFan
Bench
Rozier is going to be a big part of the Celtics going forward. I don't see them giving him up, probably not even for Rudy straight up. He's a two way PG and will surprise the casual NBA fan this season.
King Baller
All-Star
I have not seen Rozier play extensively but I am going to hazard a guess that saying his value is equal to Rudy Gay seems a bit much. Can you convince me he is worth Rudy?
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