Current Team Discussion and Possible Trades

[Bricklayer]

Here is an interesting article I found from the Nuggets POV in regards to a trade for Cousins.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2016/8/...-denver-nuggets-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins

An interesting article...by a random Nuggets poster/blogger?

I would almost appreciate all the time he put into that, if it weren't just a random Nuggets fantasy post like one of our posters working out how Rudy Gay can net us Jimmy Butler.

 

[Bricklayer]

Saw this yesterday from McDonough

"Suns GM Ryan McDonough has already hinted that Dudley will open the year as the team's starting power forward, although it wouldn't be surprising to see either Marquese Chriss or Dragan Bender eventually supplant him at the four-spot, particularly if Phoenix is not competitive towards the end of the year. Even as a starter, it's unlikely Dudley will play much more than 25 minutes a night"

I'm not sure what you think you are proving there, other than the Suns are going to be pathetic.

We could announce Ben is going to be starting at PF this year, after all he played it in high school. Doesn't change the facts on the ground about his NBA position.

 

[206Fan]

Saw this yesterday from McDonough

"Suns GM Ryan McDonough has already hinted that Dudley will open the year as the team's starting power forward, although it wouldn't be surprising to see either Marquese Chriss or Dragan Bender eventually supplant him at the four-spot, particularly if Phoenix is not competitive towards the end of the year. Even as a starter, it's unlikely Dudley will play much more than 25 minutes a night"

Playing Dudley at PF is like playing Matt Barnes at PF.

Dudley is going to get crapted on vs actual PFs. I imagine that the Suns won't be very good if Dudley starts at PF for more than 10 games.

 

[ockingsfan]

I have a feeling that NBA teams are holding off on announcing any agreed to trades, until after the Olympics.

After all, the Olympics are a huge showcase for the NBA and they don't want to overshadow that with any big trades

 

[CelticsFan]

I'm not sure what you think you are proving there, other than the Suns are going to be pathetic.

Sounds like you may know more about

We could announce Ben is going to be starting at PF this year, after all he played it in high school. Doesn't change the facts on the ground about his NBA position.

I'm not sure what you think you are proving there, other than the Suns are going to be pathetic.

We could announce Ben is going to be starting at PF this year, after all he played it in high school. Doesn't change the facts on the ground about his NBA position.

Just letting you know the Suns are playing Dudley at PF for some reason you didn't want to believe that.

FYI funny you think the Suns will be pathetic....Suns and Sac will be flip flopping in the standings all season.

 

[dude12]

Just letting you know the Suns are playing Dudley at PF for some reason you didn't want to believe that.

FYI funny you think the Suns will be pathetic....Suns and Sac will be flip flopping in the standings all season.

He made it perfectly clear that even if Dudley is the listed at PF, he really isn't a PF. Then you get a dig in at the Kings on your last statement and your name is Celtics Fan. You don't fool me.

 

[CelticsFan]

He made it perfectly clear that even if Dudley is the listed at PF, he really isn't a PF. Then you get a dig in at the Kings on your last statement and your name is Celtics Fan. You don't fool me.

Will you feel better if I change my screen name to #1Kingsfan

Brick asked me what my point was so I stated the facts. Anyone who questions this team gets crap on. Temple has played more SF then PG in the NBA but because Kings haven't got a PG yet this summer he considered by most here the backup PG. I state a fact that Dudley is the starting PF for the Suns in the NBA and I get bullied.

 

[LPKingsFan]

This "debate" is ridiculous.

I believe the initial issue was whether the Suns would be interested in some proposed trade for a PF. CelticsFan and others pointed out that the Suns plan to play Dudley at PF.

Much opprobrium ensued.

Meanwhile, CelticsFan again points out that, straight from the Suns' mouth, they plan to play Dudley at PF.

Whether it's a good idea or not, I don't know. It would seem, however, one's arguments against the position would be better directed to the Suns.

TDOS in all its glory.

 

[beb0p]

I'm not sure what you think you are proving there, other than the Suns are going to be pathetic.

We could announce Ben is going to be starting at PF this year, after all he played it in high school. Doesn't change the facts on the ground about his NBA position.

Dudley played well as a PF for the Wizards last season. He's undersized but he can guard the big guys. He is basically a modern day stretch 4. I wish the Kings would have signed him instead of Tolliver, actually there are quite a few guys I wish the Kings would have signed over Tolliver.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5be4cc-ae74-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html

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[KingMilz]

Dudley played well as a PF for the Wizards last season. He's undersized but he can guard the big guys. He is basically a modern day stretch 4. I wish the Kings would have signed him instead of Tolliver, actually there are quite a few guys I wish the Kings would have signed over Tolliver.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5be4cc-ae74-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html

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It's a Carl Landry type signing just not as bad length wise

 

[beb0p]

It's a Carl Landry type signing just not as bad length wise

That's not good, Landry was a bad signing!
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[ParniValjak]

Will you feel better if I change my screen name to #1Kingsfan

Brick asked me what my point was so I stated the facts. Anyone who questions this team gets poopoo on. Temple has played more SF then PG in the NBA but because Kings haven't got a PG yet this summer he considered by most here the backup PG. I state a fact that Dudley is the starting PF for the Suns in the NBA and I get bullied.

I just love how you get your knickers in a knot. Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG. Given how useless your link was let me counter it by just as a useless link as the one you provided so that you don't feel left out!

Kennedy: What role did they describe to you? How do they envision you fitting in?

Temple: “First and foremost, Coach Joerger just told me how much he likes my versatility and how important that is in today’s NBA since [teams want] guys that can guard multiple positions. I feel like I can guard one through three, for sure, and I can even guard some fours with the way the league is these days. That’s valuable. He also said he enjoyed what I was able to do in terms of improving on the offensive end this year. It probably helped that I had 20 points against Memphis [and Coach Joerger] and 23 points against Sacramento this past year (laughs). They want me to play the one, two and three. They like my leadership abilities. He said, ‘I’ve seen you play and from what I’m hearing, you’re a great locker room guy too – one of the best in the league.’ Obviously the culture here is something that needs to be put back on the right track. You see the guys that we’ve signed: Arron Afflalo, good veteran guy; Matt Barnes, good veteran guy; Anthony Tolliver, good veteran guy. We’re guys who are going to try to come in here and help. We all approach the game a certain way and hopefully we can teach that to the young guys. They were adamant that they envision me being an integral part of the team and that was obviously great to hear, especially with my background. Being valued as a guy who can produce and will be relied on every night is something that I’ve been waiting for a long time.”

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/

 

[The_Jamal]

Playing Dudley at PF is like playing Matt Barnes at PF.

Dudley is going to get poopooted on vs actual PFs. I imagine that the Suns won't be very good if Dudley starts at PF for more than 10 games.

huh?Dudley played PF all last year for the Wizards. I mean, he was in the bottom 5 of starting PFs, but it's not like opposing PFs were dropping 30 on him every game.

He's absolutely a stretch 4 in today's NBA. Too slow to guard on the perimeter anymore.

 

[CelticsFan]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/[/quote]

I just love how you get your knickers in a knot. Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG. Given how useless your link was let me counter it by just as a useless link as the one you provided so that you don't feel left out!



http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/

Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?

"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"

You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.

 

[206Fan]

huh?Dudley played PF all last year for the Wizards. I mean, he was in the bottom 5 of starting PFs, but it's not like opposing PFs were dropping 30 on him every game.

He's absolutely a stretch 4 in today's NBA. Too slow to guard on the perimeter anymore.

He mainly started because of injuries and lack of depth. From the few games I recall watching, I clearly remember the Wiz playing super tiny ball lineup with Wall-Temple-Oubre-Dudley-Gortat?? Other teams would have to match their tiny lineup.

There's a big reason why they made that trade for Markieff.

 

[206Fan]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/

How is Dudley a PF? I know it's positionless basketball, but Dudley is not a PF. He has never played "PF" beyond last year. He's always been considered as a SG/SF.

Hell, he only averaged 3.5rpg last year. That's pathetic as hell for a PF. Dudley is 6'7 225lbs. He's not a PF.................

You could use the argument that he can be brought in to stretch the floor, but that doesn't make him a PF. The Kings played Rondo, DC, McLemore before in a lineup. Would you say McLemore is a SF? No.

I know it's postionless basketball, but calling Dudley a PF when he's really not blows my mind. He can't rebound. He can't defend big PFs. He can't score from the post. He's undersized. How in the world does that make him a PF?

Draymond is undersized but he CAN rebound. He CAN defend big PFs. He CAN go against AD. He CAN score from the post.

Dudley can't do any of those things... all he did was play PF and did a pretty crapty job at it. Just because he played at PF, doesn't mean he IS a PF.

 

[dude12]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/

Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?

"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"

You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.[/quote]


Where the heck did you get Smart playing PF at times? That didn't happen.

 

[CelticsFan]

Where the heck did you get Smart playing PF at times? That didn't happen.

A couple I remember off the top of my head

Game 4 last year. Celtics had no answer for Milsap he was dominate. Put Smart on him the last 9 mins of the game

Smart also played tough D match up against Porzingas

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...e-send-marcus-smart-against-knicks-porzingis/

 

[Hoovtrain]

A couple I remember off the top of my head

Game 4 last year. Celtics had no answer for Milsap he was dominate. Put Smart on him the last 9 mins of the game

Smart also played tough D match up against Porzingas

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...e-send-marcus-smart-against-knicks-porzingis/

Is Smart on the block? Would love to get him

 

[dude12]

A couple I remember off the top of my head

Game 4 last year. Celtics had no answer for Milsap he was dominate. Put Smart on him the last 9 mins of the game

Smart also played tough D match up against Porzingas

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...e-send-marcus-smart-against-knicks-porzingis/

Doesn't make him a PF....he's a guard in a 3 guard, 2 Forward lineup who is guarding their hot scorer. Positionless basketball where the lines get blurred.

 

[whoopdeedoo]

Wait, what? Guarding someone of a particular position is all it takes to make it your position too? This is a wonderful example of stimulating off season conversations isn't it.

From some of the replies here I am being lead to believe it isn't possible to play out of position or have mismatches anymore as wherever you end up in a game makes you automatically that position.

 

[ParniValjak]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/

Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?

"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"

You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.[/quote]
Yes he actually has. Point is that Dudley is as much of a PF as Temple is a PG but you seem to push this bullcrap about Dudley and then dismiss it about Temple.

Point is just because a player is played at a certain position it doesn't necessarily mean that is their position. Tyreke was played at SF out of stupidity but he is not one. Michael Malone played Rudy Gay at SG out of necessity at times but it doesn't make him one. Karl played Rudy at PF but he is not one.

So rather than get into a pissing contest about semantics as you seem to be, any team with Dudley as a full time PF is destined for lottery as is a team with Temple as a full time PG. For stretches it's OK but terrible as a primary solution in both cases.

 

[CelticsFan]

Fair enough we can agree to disagree.

 

[KingMilz]

PJ Tucker out 6-8 weeks with injury....they could use a SF with Warren coming off serious injury and now Tucker going down possible straight up deal or 3 way opened up.

 

[Bricklayer]

PJ Tucker out 6-8 weeks with injury....they could use a SF with Warren coming off serious injury and now Tucker going down possible straight up deal or 3 way opened up.

Psst, they already have a SF:

 

[biltalent]

PJ Tucker out 6-8 weeks with injury....they could use a SF with Warren coming off serious injury and now Tucker going down possible straight up deal or 3 way opened up.

Rudy to Chicago, McDermott + Gibson to the Suns, Knight to the Kings.

 

[twslam07]

PJ Tucker out 6-8 weeks with injury....they could use a SF with Warren coming off serious injury and now Tucker going down possible straight up deal or 3 way opened up.

Still not a fan of Knight. Advanced stats hate him, and I think we'd rather see if our low risk/high reward investment pays off (Lawson) before making that trade. If Lawson bounces back, we just created a log jam in our guard rotation (Collison, Lawson, Knight). You didn't say Knight specifically in your post, but most PHX trade proposals end in a Gay for Knight type swap. To be honest, I'm not even sure Knight is an upgrade over Collison.

If we do end up making a trade involving Gay, I'd like to see Koufos included with a cheaper C, an expiring C, or no C coming back. We're not really going to get a prominent scorer in return for Gay so I think the best we could hope for is a young asset/pick. For instance, if we moved Gay & Koufos for Korver, Splitter, and a lottery protected 1st, I think that would be a pretty good return. You free up $8 more million next year to be spent on another position of need (considering we have the best C in the game with 2 other players on rookie deals who can play C), you add an elite shooter & good locker room presence who should make Cousins' job easier on offense (It'd be interesting offensively to see a Collison/Afflalo/Korver/Casspi/Cousins rotation or a Collison/Korver/Casspi/Tolliver/Cousins. That's a s*** ton of spacing for Cousins).

It's obviously risky considering the scoring production going out, but if Lawson is looking somewhat close to his old self, we may be able to get away with Collison, Lawson, Afflalo, & Casspi being the secondary scorers to Cousins.

 

[KingMilz]

Psst, they already have a SF:

Yeah I was thinking maybe they just say they go full development mode and give Chriss/Bender all the mins @ PF and move Dudley to SF

 

[Entity]

I'd be willing to give up Rudy and collison for Bledsoe. With Bledsoe we get a pg and #2.

 

[twslam07]

I'd be willing to give up Rudy and collison for Bledsoe. With Bledsoe we get a pg and #2.

The thing about trading for Bledsoe is that if the Suns are willing to trade him, you almost don't want him. Hang with me.... the Suns medical staff is the best in the business. If they're willing to give up on a guy with Bledsoe's potential, it makes you wonder how bad his health actually is. It's a conundrum really.