Current Team Discussion and Possible Trades
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Brick asked me what my point was so I stated the facts. Anyone who questions this team gets crap on. Temple has played more SF then PG in the NBA but because Kings haven't got a PG yet this summer he considered by most here the backup PG. I state a fact that Dudley is the starting PF for the Suns in the NBA and I get bullied.
Brick asked me what my point was so I stated the facts. Anyone who questions this team gets crap on. Temple has played more SF then PG in the NBA but because Kings haven't got a PG yet this summer he considered by most here the backup PG. I state a fact that Dudley is the starting PF for the Suns in the NBA and I get bullied.
This "debate" is ridiculous.
I believe the initial issue was whether the Suns would be interested in some proposed trade for a PF. CelticsFan and others pointed out that the Suns plan to play Dudley at PF.
Much opprobrium ensued.
Meanwhile, CelticsFan again points out that, straight from the Suns' mouth, they plan to play Dudley at PF.
Whether it's a good idea or not, I don't know. It would seem, however, one's arguments against the position would be better directed to the Suns.
TDOS in all its glory.
I believe the initial issue was whether the Suns would be interested in some proposed trade for a PF. CelticsFan and others pointed out that the Suns plan to play Dudley at PF.
Much opprobrium ensued.
Meanwhile, CelticsFan again points out that, straight from the Suns' mouth, they plan to play Dudley at PF.
Whether it's a good idea or not, I don't know. It would seem, however, one's arguments against the position would be better directed to the Suns.
TDOS in all its glory.
Dudley played well as a PF for the Wizards last season. He's undersized but he can guard the big guys. He is basically a modern day stretch 4. I wish the Kings would have signed him instead of Tolliver, actually there are quite a few guys I wish the Kings would have signed over Tolliver.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5be4cc-ae74-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...5be4cc-ae74-11e5-b711-1998289ffcea_story.html
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I just love how you get your knickers in a knot. Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG. Given how useless your link was let me counter it by just as a useless link as the one you provided so that you don't feel left out!
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/n...paid-off-free-agency-sacramento-kings-temple/[/quote]
Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?
"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"
You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.
Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?
"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"
You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.
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He mainly started because of injuries and lack of depth. From the few games I recall watching, I clearly remember the Wiz playing super tiny ball lineup with Wall-Temple-Oubre-Dudley-Gortat?? Other teams would have to match their tiny lineup.
There's a big reason why they made that trade for Markieff.
There's a big reason why they made that trade for Markieff.
How is Dudley a PF? I know it's positionless basketball, but Dudley is not a PF. He has never played "PF" beyond last year. He's always been considered as a SG/SF.
Hell, he only averaged 3.5rpg last year. That's pathetic as hell for a PF. Dudley is 6'7 225lbs. He's not a PF.................
You could use the argument that he can be brought in to stretch the floor, but that doesn't make him a PF. The Kings played Rondo, DC, McLemore before in a lineup. Would you say McLemore is a SF? No.
I know it's postionless basketball, but calling Dudley a PF when he's really not blows my mind. He can't rebound. He can't defend big PFs. He can't score from the post. He's undersized. How in the world does that make him a PF?
Draymond is undersized but he CAN rebound. He CAN defend big PFs. He CAN go against AD. He CAN score from the post.
Dudley can't do any of those things... all he did was play PF and did a pretty crapty job at it. Just because he played at PF, doesn't mean he IS a PF.
Hell, he only averaged 3.5rpg last year. That's pathetic as hell for a PF. Dudley is 6'7 225lbs. He's not a PF.................
You could use the argument that he can be brought in to stretch the floor, but that doesn't make him a PF. The Kings played Rondo, DC, McLemore before in a lineup. Would you say McLemore is a SF? No.
I know it's postionless basketball, but calling Dudley a PF when he's really not blows my mind. He can't rebound. He can't defend big PFs. He can't score from the post. He's undersized. How in the world does that make him a PF?
Draymond is undersized but he CAN rebound. He CAN defend big PFs. He CAN go against AD. He CAN score from the post.
Dudley can't do any of those things... all he did was play PF and did a pretty crapty job at it. Just because he played at PF, doesn't mean he IS a PF.
Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?
"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"
You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.[/quote]
Where the heck did you get Smart playing PF at times? That didn't happen.
A couple I remember off the top of my head
Game 4 last year. Celtics had no answer for Milsap he was dominate. Put Smart on him the last 9 mins of the game
Smart also played tough D match up against Porzingas
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...e-send-marcus-smart-against-knicks-porzingis/
Game 4 last year. Celtics had no answer for Milsap he was dominate. Put Smart on him the last 9 mins of the game
Smart also played tough D match up against Porzingas
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/01/...e-send-marcus-smart-against-knicks-porzingis/
Wait, what? Guarding someone of a particular position is all it takes to make it your position too? This is a wonderful example of stimulating off season conversations isn't it.
From some of the replies here I am being lead to believe it isn't possible to play out of position or have mismatches anymore as wherever you end up in a game makes you automatically that position.
From some of the replies here I am being lead to believe it isn't possible to play out of position or have mismatches anymore as wherever you end up in a game makes you automatically that position.
Sorry I'm not following what you're saying. Honest question for Carolija has Temple started any NBA game at PG? Has he played any real stretch of time in the NBA at PG?
"Dudley is as much of a a PF as Temple is a PG"
You understand PF is Dudley's primary position right? Marcus Smart played PF at times last year but he isn't a PF, no one on earth considers him that. The NBA (minus the forum) considers Dudley a PF.[/quote]
Yes he actually has. Point is that Dudley is as much of a PF as Temple is a PG but you seem to push this bullcrap about Dudley and then dismiss it about Temple.
Point is just because a player is played at a certain position it doesn't necessarily mean that is their position. Tyreke was played at SF out of stupidity but he is not one. Michael Malone played Rudy Gay at SG out of necessity at times but it doesn't make him one. Karl played Rudy at PF but he is not one.
So rather than get into a pissing contest about semantics as you seem to be, any team with Dudley as a full time PF is destined for lottery as is a team with Temple as a full time PG. For stretches it's OK but terrible as a primary solution in both cases.
Still not a fan of Knight. Advanced stats hate him, and I think we'd rather see if our low risk/high reward investment pays off (Lawson) before making that trade. If Lawson bounces back, we just created a log jam in our guard rotation (Collison, Lawson, Knight). You didn't say Knight specifically in your post, but most PHX trade proposals end in a Gay for Knight type swap. To be honest, I'm not even sure Knight is an upgrade over Collison.
If we do end up making a trade involving Gay, I'd like to see Koufos included with a cheaper C, an expiring C, or no C coming back. We're not really going to get a prominent scorer in return for Gay so I think the best we could hope for is a young asset/pick. For instance, if we moved Gay & Koufos for Korver, Splitter, and a lottery protected 1st, I think that would be a pretty good return. You free up $8 more million next year to be spent on another position of need (considering we have the best C in the game with 2 other players on rookie deals who can play C), you add an elite shooter & good locker room presence who should make Cousins' job easier on offense (It'd be interesting offensively to see a Collison/Afflalo/Korver/Casspi/Cousins rotation or a Collison/Korver/Casspi/Tolliver/Cousins. That's a s*** ton of spacing for Cousins).
It's obviously risky considering the scoring production going out, but if Lawson is looking somewhat close to his old self, we may be able to get away with Collison, Lawson, Afflalo, & Casspi being the secondary scorers to Cousins.
If we do end up making a trade involving Gay, I'd like to see Koufos included with a cheaper C, an expiring C, or no C coming back. We're not really going to get a prominent scorer in return for Gay so I think the best we could hope for is a young asset/pick. For instance, if we moved Gay & Koufos for Korver, Splitter, and a lottery protected 1st, I think that would be a pretty good return. You free up $8 more million next year to be spent on another position of need (considering we have the best C in the game with 2 other players on rookie deals who can play C), you add an elite shooter & good locker room presence who should make Cousins' job easier on offense (It'd be interesting offensively to see a Collison/Afflalo/Korver/Casspi/Cousins rotation or a Collison/Korver/Casspi/Tolliver/Cousins. That's a s*** ton of spacing for Cousins).
It's obviously risky considering the scoring production going out, but if Lawson is looking somewhat close to his old self, we may be able to get away with Collison, Lawson, Afflalo, & Casspi being the secondary scorers to Cousins.
The thing about trading for Bledsoe is that if the Suns are willing to trade him, you almost don't want him. Hang with me.... the Suns medical staff is the best in the business. If they're willing to give up on a guy with Bledsoe's potential, it makes you wonder how bad his health actually is. It's a conundrum really.
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