Current Team Discussion and Possible Trades

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Now that Russel Westbrook signed an extension in OKC and is off the trade market, we should hopefully see some long awaited trades happening soon. :cool:
Certainly hope so!

Westbrook is a big domino that needed to fall. I think Blake might be next one way or the other. This then allows the rest of the teams to go and do their thing. If there is going to be a Rudy Gay trade then, Westbrook resolution is a step towards that.

It seems stupid but teams tend to go into holding patterns until the big domino falls and then more action on smaller deals starts taking place.
 
I think Cameron Payne+filler for Rudy Gay would be a good trade for both sides. Gay gives OKC another legit scoring option next to Westbrook. He only has 1 year left, but the Thunder are making a serious playoff push. Kings on the other hand? I don't know, but I think Payne is an extremely valuable asset. He could become the next big thing if developed correctly. Really young with a lot of potential on a rookie deal.

I think it's pretty clear that Gay will walk. Knowing that he walks after this season, would you rather have a valuable 22yearold asset in Cameron Payne? or nothing?

That's essentially what will happen if the Kings decide not to trade him.
I would be happy to get Payne. Young, no injury history, should develop nicely. However, OKC is not loaded with backups for Westbrook and looking at their roster I'm not coming up with good filler parts of need.
 
I would be happy to get Payne. Young, no injury history, should develop nicely. However, OKC is not loaded with backups for Westbrook and looking at their roster I'm not coming up with good filler parts of need.
No injury history? Isn't he injured as we speak? Hasn't he got a foot issue? I swear I read something about ita couple of days ago.
 
I actually think that Westbrook signing the extension makes it easier to trade him. (How long is the moratorium for trading someone who just signed an extension? Is there one?). Teams can now trade for him knowing that he cannot simply walk away at the end of the season.
 
There is no trade scenario where we trade Gay and get back Payne unless we include Koufos and accept Kanter back. I cant see that happening from either side. They have no other contracts that match up at all.
 
I still really want Otto Porter. He might be somewhat available considering Oubre is waiting in the wings and Porter is going to be due for a big payday next year (Not sure the Wizards will want to spend ~$65 mil a year across Wall, Beal, & Porter)
 
I actually think that Westbrook signing the extension makes it easier to trade him. (How long is the moratorium for trading someone who just signed an extension? Is there one?). Teams can now trade for him knowing that he cannot simply walk away at the end of the season.
There is NO WAY OKC would trade Westbrook after he signed an extension.

Players and their Agents would NEVER sign in OKC again if they trade away a player like Westbrook, right after he commits to them. That would be just BAD BUSINESS. :eek:
 
There is no trade scenario where we trade Gay and get back Payne unless we include Koufos and accept Kanter back. I cant see that happening from either side. They have no other contracts that match up at all.
He can't be traded with another player until August 22, but adding Ilyasova to Payne gets you there. Now, does OKC say yes? I don't know. My guess would be no, as they need Ilyasova's shooting badly.
 
I guess i stuffed that no injury history with Payne up.
So many of these guys have questionable knees, feet, achilles....recon I was just being hopeful.
Still from what I see Westbroook has no other backup and with all our recent additions any OKC filler parts for Rudy seems redundant unless we swap players of the same position.
 
There is NO WAY OKC would trade Westbrook after he signed an extension.

Players and their Agents would NEVER sign in OKC again if they trade away a player like Westbrook, right after he commits to them. That would be just BAD BUSINESS. :eek:
My thought is that the negotiation was with both sides working out an eventual trade. Now OKC can actually get assets in a trade because he won't be an expiring in 6 months when he is eligible.
 
My thought is that the negotiation was with both sides working out an eventual trade. Now OKC can actually get assets in a trade because he won't be an expiring in 6 months when he is eligible.
That's not how it's looking. All of Westbrook's comments make it seem like he signed an extension to stay in OKC. I don't think there are any plans of moving him.
 
My thought is that the negotiation was with both sides working out an eventual trade. Now OKC can actually get assets in a trade because he won't be an expiring in 6 months when he is eligible.
OKC is going to try and build around Westbrook.

When you are fortunate enough to have a superstar player re-sign with you, you hold on for dear life.

Westbrook won't be going anywhere soon, possibly in the last year of the deal, but not now.
 
I think Westbrook signing a new deal make sense for two reasons:

1. If he wants to be the guy on a team, then there is no better opportunity than sticking with OKC because they are a well run team and they will build around him. This contract extension gives them time to make moves to build a strong supporting cast for him. Any additions will likely be players that Westbrook wants on his team, or at least they will fit the way they are likely to play with Westbrook as the main man. So by signing the extension it allows them to focus on outside free agents next year, rather than having to balance re-signing Westbrook, re-signing their other free agents, and attracting outside free agents.

2a. It gives Westbrook flexibility if things go wrong. In an ideal world they will manage to attract at least one big name player to come and join them next year. However, the Mavericks are a perfect example of a team that each year seems to go after big name free agents and get shunned. If that happens to OKC, which is possible, then by giving them a chance it doesn't really make Westbrook look bad if he decides to leave because he's at least given them a chance to build around him.

2b. It gives Westbrook flexibility if things go right. It is likely their plan will be to target the addition of at least one big name free agent next year. So let's say they manage to attract Blake Griffin (28 in 2017) or Gordon Hayward (27 in 2017); re-sign Steven Adams (24 in 2017), and perhaps one or both of Andre Roberson (26 in 2017) and Victor Oladipo (25 in 2017); and fill the rest of their roster with good supporting players. At this point they would be a strong contender in the 2017/18 season and beyond. Fast forward to 2018 when Westbrook is likely to opt out, it is likely he would re-sign with OKC because they would have a strong starting line up and rotation that would mostly be in their prime years together.

2c. It gives OKC flexibility to see what a Westbrook led OKC team can do. If they do well, Westbrook signs a new deal. If they have a lacklustre 2016/17 season and/or fail to attract outside free agents in 2017, then they have at least given it a shot and can trade Westbrook this time next year for whatever they can get.

For me, I think this deal makes sense for both parties and hopefully Westbrook stays in OKC for his entire career. I like one team players and hopefully he is one of them. Like I said above, this gives him the best chance to be the guy on a well run team. Sure Durant left, but I suspect that was more down to Durant than OKC (unless of course you argue they should have kept Durant and got rid of Westbrook, if that was a possibility to at all?). So overall it gives both parties time to see what happens, and the flexibility to go their separate ways if things go awry.
 
OKC will do the right thing in rebuilding around Westbrook. They already have a number of very good pieces around him so they are well on the way.
I think OKC will be a threat to win any game post Durant/Ibaka. Westbrook has to stay healthy and they need to develop more scorers but I am betting Presti, Donovan and crew are already making plans.

Westbrook and Oladipo is a pretty dynamic back court.
 
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It seems to me that Miroslav Raduljica game has come a long way in a short amount of time, he's abused some of the NBA's best defenders in the 3 games he's had against Australia/France/USA. If we were to trade KK in a packaged deal would not mind bringing him in for some Pekovic type ball as a back up for limited playing time. He said he wanted to play in the NBA and in July meet with the Kings and a few other teams who right now might be wishing they signed him.
 
It seems to me that Miroslav Raduljica game has come a long way in a short amount of time, he's abused some of the NBA's best defenders in the 3 games he's had against Australia/France/USA. If we were to trade KK in a packaged deal would not mind bringing him in for some Pekovic type ball as a back up for limited playing time. He said he wanted to play in the NBA and in July meet with the Kings and a few other teams who right now might be wishing they signed him.
Yeah I thought the same. He signed for two years with Milano this summer however. But maybe next year if he has a NBA out? He would make for a good mentor for Bogdanovic.
 
It seems to me that Miroslav Raduljica game has come a long way in a short amount of time, he's abused some of the NBA's best defenders in the 3 games he's had against Australia/France/USA. If we were to trade KK in a packaged deal would not mind bringing him in for some Pekovic type ball as a back up for limited playing time. He said he wanted to play in the NBA and in July meet with the Kings and a few other teams who right now might be wishing they signed him.
I think you just didn't pay much attention to Raduljica while has with the Bucks. His offense has never been a problem. He could always score a bit even against NBA bigs. His problem has always been and will continue to be defense at the NBA level.

He is getting paid a lot of money in Europe with Milano after playing lst season with Panathinaikos (Papagiannis' team) so it would take more than reasonable contract to get him to the NBA as well a pretty much guaranteed playing time which no team is likely to give him.
 

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Here is an interesting article I found from the Nuggets POV in regards to a trade for Cousins.

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2016/8/...-denver-nuggets-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins
So their final offer is Nurkic, a flipped Rubio, and Will Barton for both Cousins and Koufos? That's the kind of deal you think about at the deadline with zero years left on the contract and a sense that Cousins won't re-sign, not one that you even consider with two years left on the deal, a new coach, and the hope that Cousins may yet finally settle into the maturity that befits his talent. Oh, and a new arena you have to fill. Yep, that's not really close.
 
So their final offer is Nurkic, a flipped Rubio, and Will Barton for both Cousins and Koufos? That's the kind of deal you think about at the deadline with zero years left on the contract and a sense that Cousins won't re-sign, not one that you even consider with two years left on the deal, a new coach, and the hope that Cousins may yet finally settle into the maturity that befits his talent. Oh, and a new arena you have to fill. Yep, that's not really close.
I agree with you. It just goes to show you how fans of teams overate their players. Lets remember this when we talk possible trades on this fourm
 

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I agree with you. It just goes to show you how fans of teams overate their players. Lets remember this when we talk possible trades on this fourm
Yes, I think that in general most of us try to be reasonable about the value of our players. (Then we go and trade Marco Belinelli for the #22 pick and completely invalidate the rule. I mean, we would have traded Belinelli for a batch of week-old tuna salad!)
 
Yes, I think that in general most of us try to be reasonable about the value of our players. (Then we go and trade Marco Belinelli for the #22 pick and completely invalidate the rule. I mean, we would have traded Belinelli for a batch of week-old tuna salad!)
No you are wrong! I would not have traded Marco for anything less than...............




















FRESH TUNA SALAD:D:D:D
 
Even for a team like the Suns.

there is NO team where Jared Dudley is an option at PF, unless they are tanking. And Gibson is a very legit PF who has range on that jumper as well. I don't think hitting 1 3pt shot a game, for a team built without anybody who needs the inside space anyway, gets remotely close to being able to defend and board at your position.

That's before we get to the obvious idea that if they did this part of it would be further rebuilding by shedding Knight's long term money to get back Gibson's ender.
Saw this yesterday from McDonough

"Suns GM Ryan McDonough has already hinted that Dudley will open the year as the team's starting power forward, although it wouldn't be surprising to see either Marquese Chriss or Dragan Bender eventually supplant him at the four-spot, particularly if Phoenix is not competitive towards the end of the year. Even as a starter, it's unlikely Dudley will play much more than 25 minutes a night"
 
Saw this yesterday from McDonough

"Suns GM Ryan McDonough has already hinted that Dudley will open the year as the team's starting power forward, although it wouldn't be surprising to see either Marquese Chriss or Dragan Bender eventually supplant him at the four-spot, particularly if Phoenix is not competitive towards the end of the year. Even as a starter, it's unlikely Dudley will play much more than 25 minutes a night"
Well the nice thing about basketball is eventually they play the games. Then we will all see how well Dudley does as the Suns starting PF.
 
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