Cousins left off All Star Roster

Gilles said:
Memphis is on a tear, and Gasol looks like DPOY once again (he's the only guy, who stopped Cousins consistently this year), Hibbert is a major cog in top Indiana team, and Howard will get in on reputation. Just like Cousins is 13th man on 12-man All Star roster, he will be 4th center on All-NBA lists. It's still a possibility if Kings go on a tear, once Boogie returns: something like 20-14 to finish the season would help a lot.
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it really depends on what happens from here on out. if Cuz continues to tear it up, or even improve (which he traditionally tends to do), and the Kings start to win games in earnest, which also seems likely, based on their record with Gay and Cuz clicking, then he'll have a very good shot. he is largely acknowledged as the most productive centre in the league and apparently the biggest questions came as a result of the team's record. with him going out and the Kings imploding, a return, coupled with a drastic improvement in the team's performance would likely shut up some, if not most of the doubters.
 
DeMarcus Cousins vs. the All Star bigs this season (ignoring the SFs for these purposes):

vs. Hibbert (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 30min 31pts (12-21FG 7-7FT) 13reb 2ast 2stl 1blk 4TO
HIBB 28min 10pts (4-8FG 2-3FT) 4reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 1TO

vs. Milsap (1 win, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 29min 11pts (5-12FG 1-2FT) 6reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
MILS 34min 25pts (9-15FG 5-6FT) 11reb 4ast 4stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 35min 28pts (10-20FG 8-9FT) 7reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
MILS 29min 14pts (4-10FG 3-4FT) 8reb 4ast 1stl 1blk 3TO

vs. Noah
N/A

vs. Bosh (1 win, 1 draw, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 32min 27pts (11-15FG 5-8FT) 8reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
BOSH 25min 25pts (11-16FG 5-6FT) 8reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Game 2
DMC 41min 27pts (10-21FG 7-10FT) 17reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 5TO
BOSH 35min 18pts (8-15FG 2-2FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 3blk 4TO

vs. Aldridge (3 wins, 0 losses)
Game1
DMC 37min 35pts (13-25FG 9-10FT) 9reb 1ast 4stl 1blk 3TO
LMA 36min 20pts (10-20FG 0-0FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 31min 33pts (13-24FG 7-11FT) 12reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
LMA 35min 22pts (10-19FG 2-4FT) 14reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Game 3
DMC 43min 35pts (13-28FG 9-15FT) 13reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 2TO
LMA 39min 24pts (8-20FG 8-10FT) 8reb 5ast 0stl 1blk 4TO

vs. Howard (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 incomplete)
Game1
DMC 32min 21pts (7-14FG 7-7FT) 10reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
HOW 31min 13pts (4-7FG 5-13FT) 10reb 0ast 1stl 3blk 5TO
Game 2
DMC 33min 17pts (7-13FG 3-4FT) 16reb 2ast 4stl 1blk 4TO
HOW 45min 15pts (5-9FG 5-11FT) 8reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 3TO
Game 3
DMC injured plays only 9min

vs. Griffin (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 tie)
Game1
DMC 35min 24pts (9-19FG 6-9FT) 10reb 4ast 3stl 2blk 4TO
GRIF 41min 20pts (6-13FG 8-8FT) 17reb 7ast 0stl 2blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 38min 23pts (10-22FG 3-6FT) 19reb 7ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
GRIF 40min 16pts (3-10FG 9-13FT) 10reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 6TO
Game 3
DMC 41min 25pts (11-19FG 3-3FT) 9reb 6ast 0stl 3blk 3TO
GRIF 39min 21pts (7-15FG 7-10FT) 12reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 4TO

vs. Nowtizki (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 36min 32pts (10-17FG 12-14FT) 19reb 3ast 3stl 1blk 9TO
NOW 31min 18pts (7-15FG 3-3FT) 6reb 7ast 2stl 2blk 3TO

vs. Love (0 wins, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 34min 20pts (9-19FG 2-2FT) 11reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 5TO
LOVE 37min 27pts (9-16FG 5-6FT) 11reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 1TO

Total: 11 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws, 1 INC

Stats (leaving off the INC injury game)
Cousins 15gms 35.1min 25.9pts (.519 .761) 11.9reb 3.3ast 1.7stl 0.9blk 3.7TO
AllStars 15gms 35.0min 19.2pts (.495 .696) 9.4reb 3.1ast 0.9stl 1.1blk 2.9TO

In other words, Boogie Cousins laughs at your so-called "all stars".
 
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Bricklayer said:
DeMarcus Cousins vs. the All Star bigs this season (ignoring the SFs for these purposes):

vs. Hibbert (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 30min 31pts (12-21FG 7-7FT) 13reb 2ast 2stl 1blk 4TO
HIBB 28min 10pts (4-8FG 2-3FT) 4reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 1TO

vs. Milsap (1 win, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 29min 11pts (5-12FG 1-2FT) 6reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
MILS 34min 25pts (9-15FG 5-6FT) 11reb 4ast 4stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 35min 28pts (10-20FG 8-9FT) 7reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
MILS 29min 14pts (4-10FG 3-4FT) 8reb 4ast 1stl 1blk 3TO

vs. Noah
N/A

vs. Bosh (1 win, 1 draw, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 32min 27pts (11-15FG 5-8FT) 8reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
BOSH 25min 25pts (11-16FG 5-6FT) 8reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Game 2
DMC 41min 27pts (10-21FG 7-10FT) 17reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 5TO
BOSH 35min 18pts (8-15FG 2-2FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 3blk 4TO

vs. Aldridge (3 wins, 0 losses)
Game1
DMC 37min 35pts (13-25FG 9-10FT) 9reb 1ast 4stl 1blk 3TO
LMA 36min 20pts (10-20FG 0-0FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 31min 33pts (13-24FG 7-11FT) 12reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
LMA 35min 22pts (10-19FG 2-4FT) 14reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Game 3
DMC 43min 35pts (13-28FG 9-15FT) 13reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 2TO
LMA 39min 24pts (8-20FG 8-10FT) 8reb 5ast 0stl 1blk 4TO

vs. Howard (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 incomplete)
Game1
DMC 32min 21pts (7-14FG 7-7FT) 10reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
HOW 31min 13pts (4-7FG 5-13FT) 10reb 0ast 1stl 3blk 5TO
Game 2
DMC 33min 17pts (7-13FG 3-4FT) 16reb 2ast 4stl 1blk 4TO
HOW 45min 15pts (5-9FG 5-11FT) 8reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 3TO
Game 3
DMC injured plays only 9min

vs. Griffin (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 tie)
Game1
DMC 35min 24pts (9-19FG 6-9FT) 10reb 4ast 3stl 2blk 4TO
GRIF 41min 20pts (6-13FG 8-8FT) 17reb 7ast 0stl 2blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 38min 23pts (10-22FG 3-6FT) 19reb 7ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
GRIF 40min 16pts (3-10FG 9-13FT) 10reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 6TO
Game 3
DMC 41min 25pts (11-19FG 3-3FT) 9reb 6ast 0stl 3blk 3TO
GRIF 39min 21pts (7-15FG 7-10FT) 12reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 4TO

vs. Nowtizki (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 36min 32pts (10-17FG 12-14FT) 19reb 3ast 3stl 1blk 9TO
NOW 31min 18pts (7-15FG 3-3FT) 6reb 7ast 2stl 2blk 3TO

vs. Love (0 wins, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 34min 20pts (9-19FG 2-2FT) 11reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 5TO
LOVE 37min 27pts (9-16FG 5-6FT) 11reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 1TO

Total: 11 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws, 1 INC

Stats (leaving off the INC injury game)
Cousins 15gms 35.1min 25.9pts (.519 .761) 11.9reb 3.3ast 1.7stl 0.9blk 3.7TO
AllStars 15gms 35.0min 19.2pts (.495 .696) 9.4reb 3.1ast 0.9stl 1.1blk 2.9TO

In other words, Boogie Cousins laughs at your so-called "all stars".
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It's all about the turnovers, Brick.
 
Like i have said, biggest snub in recent history. Rather than looking at the team record which has so many dependencies, they should really look at the quality of the season that the player is having and their record without them.

Prior to the Rudy trade, Cousins had practically no one good enough to provide some genuine help. Carmelo, Love, Johnson....are all from teams with losing records
 
Bricklayer said:
Cousins > Davis this year. Don't believe the hype. I've watched both guys play. Davis is not a goto guy yet, and for all the fancy defensive numbers, he's not making them a good defensive team. That's not writing off his career. It is noting that right now he's not as forceful as his stats suggest. Blake's a bit that way too. Love is hard to figure, such big numbers, but such an odd game. Howard is just a drab limited offensive player. Aldridge is much closer to a goto guy, but he's a jumpshooter. Ditto Dirk. And then there's Cuz. I think the last 3 are the only true throw it to them and let them create goto guys of the bunch.
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There is no doubt in my mind after watching every Kings game this season that Cousins deserves to be in the All Star game. I have not seem that many Pelicans games. In the games I have seen Davis is very good, yet he does not dominate like Cousins does.

If it is any consolation younger players always seem to be awarded the All Star game the SEASON AFTER they break out to All Star level. No it is not fair, in fact it sucks. But it is what it is.

KB
 
sdballer said:
It's a simple excercise for me. Trade each of those guys teams with cuz. Would they be a winning team? If not and they wouldnt perform at a higher level, they aren't more deserving of an all star spot
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Bricklayer said:
DeMarcus Cousins vs. the All Star bigs this season (ignoring the SFs for these purposes):

vs. Hibbert (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 30min 31pts (12-21FG 7-7FT) 13reb 2ast 2stl 1blk 4TO
HIBB 28min 10pts (4-8FG 2-3FT) 4reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 1TO

vs. Milsap (1 win, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 29min 11pts (5-12FG 1-2FT) 6reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
MILS 34min 25pts (9-15FG 5-6FT) 11reb 4ast 4stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 35min 28pts (10-20FG 8-9FT) 7reb 6ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
MILS 29min 14pts (4-10FG 3-4FT) 8reb 4ast 1stl 1blk 3TO

vs. Noah
N/A

vs. Bosh (1 win, 1 draw, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 32min 27pts (11-15FG 5-8FT) 8reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 3TO
BOSH 25min 25pts (11-16FG 5-6FT) 8reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
Game 2
DMC 41min 27pts (10-21FG 7-10FT) 17reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 5TO
BOSH 35min 18pts (8-15FG 2-2FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 3blk 4TO

vs. Aldridge (3 wins, 0 losses)
Game1
DMC 37min 35pts (13-25FG 9-10FT) 9reb 1ast 4stl 1blk 3TO
LMA 36min 20pts (10-20FG 0-0FT) 7reb 1ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 31min 33pts (13-24FG 7-11FT) 12reb 0ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
LMA 35min 22pts (10-19FG 2-4FT) 14reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Game 3
DMC 43min 35pts (13-28FG 9-15FT) 13reb 2ast 1stl 2blk 2TO
LMA 39min 24pts (8-20FG 8-10FT) 8reb 5ast 0stl 1blk 4TO

vs. Howard (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 incomplete)
Game1
DMC 32min 21pts (7-14FG 7-7FT) 10reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
HOW 31min 13pts (4-7FG 5-13FT) 10reb 0ast 1stl 3blk 5TO
Game 2
DMC 33min 17pts (7-13FG 3-4FT) 16reb 2ast 4stl 1blk 4TO
HOW 45min 15pts (5-9FG 5-11FT) 8reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 3TO
Game 3
DMC injured plays only 9min

vs. Griffin (2 wins, 0 losses, 1 tie)
Game1
DMC 35min 24pts (9-19FG 6-9FT) 10reb 4ast 3stl 2blk 4TO
GRIF 41min 20pts (6-13FG 8-8FT) 17reb 7ast 0stl 2blk 2TO
Game 2
DMC 38min 23pts (10-22FG 3-6FT) 19reb 7ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
GRIF 40min 16pts (3-10FG 9-13FT) 10reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 6TO
Game 3
DMC 41min 25pts (11-19FG 3-3FT) 9reb 6ast 0stl 3blk 3TO
GRIF 39min 21pts (7-15FG 7-10FT) 12reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 4TO

vs. Nowtizki (1 win, 0 losses)
Game 1
DMC 36min 32pts (10-17FG 12-14FT) 19reb 3ast 3stl 1blk 9TO
NOW 31min 18pts (7-15FG 3-3FT) 6reb 7ast 2stl 2blk 3TO

vs. Love (0 wins, 1 loss)
Game 1
DMC 34min 20pts (9-19FG 2-2FT) 11reb 0ast 0stl 1blk 5TO
LOVE 37min 27pts (9-16FG 5-6FT) 11reb 5ast 1stl 0blk 1TO

Total: 11 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws, 1 INC

Stats (leaving off the INC injury game)
Cousins 15gms 35.1min 25.9pts (.519 .761) 11.9reb 3.3ast 1.7stl 0.9blk 3.7TO
AllStars 15gms 35.0min 19.2pts (.495 .696) 9.4reb 3.1ast 0.9stl 1.1blk 2.9TO

In other words, Boogie Cousins laughs at your so-called "all stars".
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Again, it comes down to wins. Boogie Cousins can laugh as much as he wants against all the other all star bigs but we're at 0.333 while they're all over .500. Obviously as a Kings fan I say that Cousins deserves to be an all star but at the same time I can't say that those guys don't. Yeah, it's not Cousins' fault that the rest of the Kings team can't do diddly squat, but it is what it is and many would argue that if Cousins were so good our team would be better.
 
Čarolija said:
Like i have said, biggest snub in recent history. Rather than looking at the team record which has so many dependencies, they should really look at the quality of the season that the player is having and their record without them.

Prior to the Rudy trade, Cousins had practically no one good enough to provide some genuine help. Carmelo, Love, Johnson....are all from teams with losing records
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Not Love. Nets are 10-2 in January having beaten OKC, GSW and Miami so many see them as kinda rising. And what do you mean no one good enough? Isaiah Thomas is a future HOFer
 
mac said:
Not Love. Nets are 10-2 in January having beaten OKC, GSW and Miami so many see them as kinda rising. And what do you mean no one good enough? Isaiah Thomas is a future HOFer
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I thought he was already in the HOF....opps! Wrong Isaiah Thomas.
 
Make no Mistake. Boogie was snubbed. First by the fans that vote for players who are injured or mere shells of their former prowess, second by the coaches selecting alternates by choosing favorites, and most likely third by the commissioner who favors marketing over reality by choosing Davis over Cousins. Team record has always been used as the BS excuse for major AS snubs.

Thats ok ! Cousins strikes me as a player who does not take insults well. He may very well go on a tear and just rip teams a new one for the rest of the season. All the better for the Kings.
 
Kingster said:
Cousins had too many demerits to work off from his past two years. Maybe next year.
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demerits? nonsense. the kings currently own the worst record in the western conference (on top of being one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league). according to scott howard-cooper (https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/429031498918809601), cousins' absence from the all-star game has a lot more to do with the team's lack of wins than any perceived bias against DMC's past mistakes...

obviously, record is not a terribly important measuring stick for, say, the eastern conference, because more than half the teams out east have losing records. but in the hyper-competitive west, a few guys are going to get unfairly snubbed. it sucks, but it's just another step that a young team must take on the road to legitimacy. 15-30 is simply unacceptable to this point in the season. it's time for PDA to bleed out the overabundance of offensive talent on the roster and replace a healthy portion of it with defensive talent so this kings team can begin earning both the wins and the recognition that comes with being a winning team...
 
The snub is understandable. The kings are last in west. It matters.

Now, that'd put us around 4th in the east, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
 
One more chip on the big guy's shoulder. Good I WANT him to see every big man on the list as a mortal enemy to be abused and humiliated at every meeting.
 
The All-Star game is a joke.

Winning shouldn't be the first thing you look at. It should be used as a tiebreaker if anything. People talk about how basketball is such a team game and that you need a good team to compete, but then when the All-Star game rolls around and there is a great player on a bad team, they wonder why that team isn't winning more and thus they think that player is fools gold. These hooligans contradict themselves constantly. It's an absolute joke. Dirk over Cousins? Really?...Really?
 
This year, Boogie has unquestionably been the best center in the NBA. Stats and head to head matchups show as much. And, at the very least, Boogie has been one of the top 3-4 overall big men (Power forwards included) in the league. When you're at that level, for even one year, you have to be a lock for the team. Just goes to show how flawed the system is, just like most things in life.

The only bigs that could reasonably be argued as having a better year than Cousins is LaMarcus Aldridge and Kevin Love. Howard and Dirk got selected over him simply because of their names, not because they've performed better. Griffin got voted in because of his exciting power dunks that the are the focus of every single Sportcenter show.
 
Bricklayer said:
Cousins > Davis this year. Don't believe the hype. I've watched both guys play. Davis is not a goto guy yet, and for all the fancy defensive numbers, he's not making them a good defensive team. That's not writing off his career. It is noting that right now he's not as forceful as his stats suggest. Blake's a bit that way too. Love is hard to figure, such big numbers, but such an odd game. Howard is just a drab limited offensive player. Aldridge is much closer to a goto guy, but he's a jumpshooter. Ditto Dirk. And then there's Cuz. I think the last 3 are the only true throw it to them and let them create goto guys of the bunch.
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I'm sorry, but I wouldn't agree with you. He's ranked #1 in defensive impact via nba. He averages 10.4rebs 3.3blks and 1.5stls. He only allows 44.5% fg at the rim compared to Cuz at 53.6.. even a more horrid stat would be Rudy Gay's at 60%.. Davis is not a go to guy, but he can score very efficiently. 20.4pts with .519% shooting at .762%ft shooting.

I've always been a guy who disliked Blake because I thought he was overrated.. but he's actually improved his game a lot this year. I'm not saying he's a top PF, but he's improved a lot in the low post plus he's improved his ft%..it means we can no longer hack him. There's just way too many good players in the West. It's all debatable.. but it's pretty ridiculous when you have Derozan and Joe Johnson in the allstar for the East..
 
0-7 without Cousins now, I guess the win % can only go up from 000. that's a positive right?
 
People (national TV analyzers) don't understand how bad we are without Cousins. A bad Kings team is pretty much terrible without Cousins (granted, we did miss Rudy gay as well but still 0-2 without Cousins only and it doesn't look like that record will improve against the Spurs).
 
Cousins is the best center in the world and can't make the all star team lol. He absolutely punked both Dwight Howard and Roy Hibbert this year. The level of stupidity on the part of fans and coaches is amazing. This goes to show that you can't stop stupid.
 
Chupacabra said:
Cousins is the best center in the world and can't make the all star team lol. He absolutely punked both Dwight Howard and Roy Hibbert this year. The level of stupidity on the part of fans and coaches is amazing. This goes to show that you can't stop stupid.
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Or just plain jealousy? :D
 
Disappointing to see Demarcus not selected for the All-Star game. The guy has been constant and has been dominating most bigs. What a joke. I guess at least he’ll be able to get some rest during the break.

So a guy like Kyrie Irving, who puts stats on a bad (and seems a little overrated to me - but I don’t watch the Cavs games) is selected to the ASG but Cousins isn’t….I guess next year.

I also wish these sports writers would actually sit and watch the teams play, get to know the player (weaknesses & strengths) and fully know what they’re talking about before they start dubbing other players better because of location or team (or even only looking at stats).
 
An above average player that rubs some people the wrong way, leading his team to a lot of losses. Sports are very political.
 
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