Bibby

[JJ22L]

you just don't seem to get it, do you? this is not about how many assists bibby gets. last time i checked, the kings were still one of the best passing teams in the league. bibby's problem, and the rest of the kings, is not how many assists they tally. the ball moves around enough. the problem is a poor balance of offense and defense, with too many players unsure of their roles. bibby averaging one or two more assists a game isn't going to make a shred of difference because the kings are losing by more than two buckets a game on average. the kings problems are not going to be solved with simple statements like "fire adelman" or "trade bibby." a ****load of things need to happen for the kings to even imagine creeping into a playoff picture, and i dont mean the 2006 playoffs, because that's already a lost cause.

Bingo- thats why i made my 5.0 apg in 2002 comment.

 

[BigWaxer]

Bibby is pretty close to his career averages. He is down about 1 assist a game but scoring is up 3 pts a game. His assist numbers being down are pretty self explanitory as you need people to hit shots when you get them the ball.

I feel there are much greater issues/problems with this team then Bibby's defense. Bibby is the least of my worries right now. Just IMO...

 

[BonziFan]

oh thanks for opening it because I have some input to put into it. Bibby is the main problem to our poor performance in this season. He does not do what a PG does including passing the ball and playing defense. He's should really be a SG. He knows how to score and when he can't score he lets your team down like he did tonight. Him and Peja are really similar because when they can't shoot they can't really do anything other then have a horrible night. Best move for this team is to get rid of Bibby, Peja, and Brad Miller.

Did you miss the fact that he had 31 assists in the last 3 games?

 

[Kings241]

Did you miss the fact that he had 31 assists in the last 3 games?

Sorry but If you depend your whole season on 3 games then thats pretty sad.

 

[OHSacFan]

oh thanks for opening it because I have some input to put into it. Bibby is the main problem to our poor performance in this season. He does not do what a PG does including passing the ball and playing defense. He's should really be a SG. He knows how to score and when he can't score he lets your team down like he did tonight. Him and Peja are really similar because when they can't shoot they can't really do anything other then have a horrible night. Best move for this team is to get rid of Bibby, Peja, and Brad Miller.

WOW.

 

[VF21]

Did you miss the fact that he had 31 assists in the last 3 games?

I now have Diet Pepsi with Lime all over my keyboard and my monitor. My nostrils are burning and I think I may have dislodged a tonsil. You might have at least given a warning...

My minions will be calling on you in the morning to discuss the terms of our duel.

 

[BonziFan]

Sorry but If you depend your whole season on 3 games then thats pretty sad.

No I am not, but he is finally doing what you say that he cannot do and you don't give him any credit. And this is not the only three games that he has had 10 plus assists. Believe me Bibby is not the problem. He needs better players around him.

 

[BonziFan]

I now have Diet Pepsi with Lime all over my keyboard and my monitor. My nostrils are burning and I think I may have dislodged a tonsil. You might have at least given a warning...

My minions will be calling on you in the morning to discuss the terms of our duel.

Thanks

 

[BigWaxer]

My money is on Green Sword squirrel

 

[Kings241]

No I am not, but he is finally doing what you say that he cannot do and you don't give him any credit. And this is not the only three games that he has had 10 plus assists. Believe me Bibby is not the problem. He needs better players around him.

Bibby is not the problem, but his poor defense on a consistent basis is a problem along with Brad's defense. No matter how many assists, points and all that fancy stuff you get, nothing can compare to defense and the effort on defense.

 

[piksi]

Believe me Bibby is not the problem. He needs better players around him.

So does Brad, and Pedja and Bonzi and SAR.

 

[Padrino]

So does Brad, and Pedja and Bonzi and SAR.

brilliant!!!

i'm gonna keep saying it: unbalanced team. seems like every starter needs "better players around him." the starting five are all quality ball players. three are former all stars. two have the potential to be all stars. but they all have the same skill sets and do not complement each other in the least. i'm hoping somebody out there agrees with me, cuz i'm tired of being the only one saying it.

 

[bball]

So does Brad, and Pedja and Bonzi and SAR.

two tumbs up

 

[BonziFan]

Bibby is not the problem, but his poor defense on a consistent basis is a problem along with Brad's defense. No matter how many assists, points and all that fancy stuff you get, nothing can compare to defense and the effort on defense.

I agree totally with you on this. They play some of the worst defense that I have ever seen. It is amazing that people fly by them with such ease. Lets not forget that the kings have had very good defensive teams while Bibby was here, so I think if he had some MAJOR help on that end his lack of defense would be disguised.

 

[BonziFan]

So does Brad, and Pedja and Bonzi and SAR.

But this still doesn't change the fact that you need an exceptional PG to start, and Bibby is that PG.

 

[VF21]

two tumbs up

Wow. The RARELY seen but highly touted two tumbs up!

WTG!!!!

 

[piksi]

But this still doesn't change the fact that you need an exceptional PG to start, and Bibby is that PG.

So is Nash, Paul, Davis, Billups, Parker, Terry, T.J ford and several others

 

[DirkAB]

Bibby is the least of this teams problems, actually if they get rid of Bibby this team is going to go from bad to worse. If Bibby gets hurt and misses some games this team will be much worse than they are right now, and it is hard to be that bad.

 

[BonziFan]

So is Nash, Paul, Davis, Billups, Parker, Terry, T.J ford and several others

Yes, I agree and look where those teams are headed. They have much better players around their PG.

 

[BonziFan]

Bibby is the least of this teams problems, actually if they get rid of Bibby this team is going to go from bad to worse. If Bibby gets hurt and misses some games this team will be much worse than they are right now, and it is hard to be that bad.

Thank You!

 

[piksi]

Bibby is the least of this teams problems, actually if they get rid of Bibby this team is going to go from bad to worse.

It doesn't get worse than this.

If you are going to miss PO - You might as well suck big time like the Cavs or the Spurs did

 

[piksi]

Yes, I agree and look where those teams are headed. They have much better players around their PG.

and better PGs too

 

[DirkAB]

So is Nash, Paul, Davis, Billups, Parker, Terry, T.J ford and several others

As of now Terry and Ford shouldn't be compared to Nash, Paul, Davis, Billups, and Parker because they are easily a class below them. Secondly what is your point? Do you think that any of those teams are looking to unload those point gaurds? Hell no they're not, so why would we trade an elite PG w/o having another one to replace him?

 

[BonziFan]

and better PGs too

You have got to be kidding me. Bibby is a top 5 PG in this league. He got us to WCF in 2002 whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[piksi]

As of now Terry and Ford shouldn't be compared to Nash, Paul, Davis, Billups, and Parker because they are easily a class below them. Secondly what is your point? Do you think that any of those teams are looking to unload those point gaurds? Hell no they're not, so why would we trade an elite PG w/o having another one to replace him?

All of those PGs and some others made Bibby look bad

We couldn't replace any of our players with equal value at the moment

 

[bcfy]

Wow Do i have to explain it all again. Folks you just don't seem to get it do you. Two games isn't gonna cut it and make up for half a season. Last time I checked he was averaging less then 5 assists per game. 4.8 assists per game is not enough from your PG. Please come back to me and post when Bibby averages 6 or 7 assists a game by the end of the season.

so what does that mean if Bibby average 6 or 7 assists per game? I can tell you it doesn't mean a lot, because he had done that before...he average 8.4 assists during 98-99, but his team couldn't win more than 25 games by the end of the season.
If you really love stats that much, I can tell you 20 ppg and 5.1 apg isn't that bad at all...name me some point guard in this league that have better stats, I doubt you can name more than 5...
Also, defense is a team work, you can't really just blame on Bibby....D.Christie was a good individual defensive player, but how good was the Kings' defense few years ago?

 

[bball]

You have got to be kidding me. Bibby is a top 5 PG in this league. He got us to WCF in 2002 whether you want to believe it or not.

2002?? where do you live? And Bibby top 5?? You really like him a lot or don't know this game.

 

[BonziFan]

All of those PGs and some others made Bibby look bad

We couldn't replace any of our players with equal value at the moment

Because he had no help behind him!

 

[piksi]

You have got to be kidding me. Bibby is a top 5 PG in this league. He got us to WCF in 2002 whether you want to believe it or not.

He is not even top 10 PGs

He did not get us to WCF. WCF was his best series but in a team with Webber to say something like that is phatetic.

Chris Webber has made Mike Bibby

 

[piksi]

Because he had no help behind him!

Whom is he helping defensively ?