Amick: Kings hoping to trade up or down

no 1 team has two later firsts and thats portland .. but they have 13 which is only 1 below us.. doesnt make much sense unless we do two different trades, at the same time this makes u wonder why we didnt buy a pick if where apparently looking for another..
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
no 1 team has two later firsts and thats portland .. but they have 13 which is only 1 below us.. doesnt make much sense unless we do two different trades, at the same time this makes u wonder why we didnt buy a pick if where apparently looking for another..
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Yeah, it would have to be Portland because they're the only team with two first round picks lower than ours. The #12 and our second rounders for #13 and #27? Not sure that would fly, so the only other possibilities would come in if another team acquired a late first rounder or we dealt Portland Garcia or Salmons as well.
 
I'm all for moving down! I don't think highly of any of the guys slated around #12. Two late first may actually net us two players who is each as good as the one taken at #12. But it'll be tough to pull it off getting two for one.

I'm on the fence about Randolph, but if he's picked, I can live with it. Hibbert, however, is a giant reach at #12 and I can guarantee that when you look back on this draft you won't rank Hibbert as the 12th best player.
 
Everything there makes sense -- trying to move up or down, Salmons as potential bait to do so, even Randolph as the potential guy just based on upside etc. -- except that there is no other single team we could trade with who could give us multiple picks. Well Portland now, I suppose. But since they are already at #13, do not see why they would do it just to get to #12.

It is possible the message is garbled a bit, and that we would be interested in using Salmons and our pick to move up. Or Salmons alone to get a second pick later.
 
Well I'm glad there is word of activity. I'm also glad if no trades are made we'll take Randolph if available, assuming this report is true. I definitely wouldn't mind trading down if we can get a pick in the 20's. I don't think Augustin is really worth trading up for though.
 
If we trade Cisco as any part of a trade I will throw a brick through my TV. Salmons will remain a bencher next year and I don't want his garbage.
 
I think every Kings fan could agree to that.

And I'm pretty sure Petrie would much rather trade Salmons then Garcia. But if it is Cisco who gets shipped out I wouldnt be surprised to see Ron go in a trade as well (assuming he doesnt opt out), that would clear up the starting 3 spot for Salmons.

Salmons, Garcia, and Ron are our three most tradeable pieces (maybe Miller as well). I wouldnt be surprised if we go into next season with only two of the the three on the roster.
 
Three teams have first round picks

Just for argument sake here are the 3 teams with 2 first round picks:


SEA has 4 and 24

MEM has 5 and 28

NJ has 10 and 21

PORT has 13 and 27 (thanks nbrans)

NJ and MEM have discussed, not with each other necessarily, trading up or down and each needs some help. SEA and MEM are in the west but MEM is no threat for quite awhile. SEA tho........

SECOND ROUND
Seattle has 4 picks: 32, 46, 50 and 56
Portland Has 3 picks: 33, 36, and 55
Wolves have 2 picks: 31 and 34
Kings (42,43), Jazz (44, 53) and Spurs (45, 57) each have 2 picks
 
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CruzDude said:
Just for argument sake here are the 3 teams with 2 first round picks:


SEA has 4 and 24

MEM has 5 and 28

NJ has 10 and 21

NJ and MEM have discussed, not with each other necessarily, trading up or down and each needs some help. SEA and MEM are in the west but MEM is no threat for quite awhile. SEA tho........
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All true, but if the idea was trading 12 for two picks, obviously we could not do it if one of the picks was better than 12. Maybe combine 12 and Salmons for one of those pairings?
 
Seattle become a big possible trade partner with 6 picks:
4, 24, 32, 46, 50 and 56

And Portland with 5 picks:
13, 27, 33, 36 and 55

Seattle is very young with 11 players with 4 or fewer years in the NBA. Can't see them wanting another 6 rookies, no way. Same for Portland. Only trouble is they are in the Kings back yard but at least not in same division (a +)

In Kings division are Clip, Suns, Warriors and Lakers. The Clips have needs similar to Kings (PG, PF) and with Brand, Livingston and Maggette as potential losses for them, could be agressive competitors.
 
I wonder if we can nab one of those second rounders in the low 30's. There's a lot of bigs with 'sleeper' written all over them that will be gone by the time we pick at 42 and 43
 
Oh god. This happens every year -- I get really excitied about the draft and then the day comes and I get really depressed because of who our GM is. I really hope Augustin is not available and I really hope we don't trade up to draft him. According to the article, the players we want most are "Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Danilo Gallinari, Joe Alexander"?! Those are exactly the guys I don't want. What is it with this team and it's affinity to guys who can't play defense? It's uncanny.
 
I'd be surprised to see us make any draft day trades. Its been awhile since any sort of exciting move has been made. The Bibby trade we knew was only a matter of time and we didnt get anything to get super excited about. Artest for Peja was fun i guess because of the media attention it drew, plus it allowed us to make a late season run. I would really like to see us trade #12 and salmons for the 4th or 5th pick. Hell ill even throw in a second rounder if that allowed us to make the trade. However if we dont make any moves like im expecting, ill be fine with Anthony Randolph. Im actually hoping for that pick to me made. I would also like to see a PG slip to us and then take a Jawai type player in the second round.
 
Well, considering we played Ron Artest at PF last year, Randolph could play PF for us even if his natural position is probably SF right now. If he can bulk up over the next couple of years without losing too much of his speed he could end up being a starting PF with a lot of developed perimeter skills like a poor man's Kevin Garnett.
 
There is no way we trade Cisco. Trade John and/or Ron but not our energy guy and the guy that is a team player and knows how to play with any role he's given. This isn't the direction that I want the team to go in.
 
A couple of thoughts on Portland. They're said to be interested in Augustin and also in Randoff. Its possible that with us picking right in front of them, we take the player they want and then trade that player to them for their pick and the 27th pick. Possibly throwing in Salmons in the deal as well.

If were truely into a youth movement, then I can't see the Kings trading Cisco, as he's part of it. Salmons, who I believe is 28 and will turn 29 soon, would certainly be attractive to a team with mostly young players.

Also, when was the last time that anyone knew who the Kings were leaning toward picking? I believe that any info coming out of the Kings organization in that regard is probably a smoke screen.
 
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HighFlyingMonkey said:
Here's a pretty extensive mix:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-CRtna5iDFc

You can see there is talent there. Just needs to be refined.
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Yeah, his ballhandling and ability to create for OTHERS (an almoist unknown trait amongst our current Kings) on the break is impressive for a man his size. And he's not afraid of the post or going inside at all. At least against college guys. But you do have to worry about that body a little, just in that there's no natural bulk potential there. Some guys you see them, maybe just because these guys are all such freaks of nature, where they have the big frame, big shoulders, and are jsut skeltally skinny. But Randolph has a fairly narrow frame, not particularly broad shoulders, and so ever getting enough strength to bang and hold his own against the full grown men populating the interior in the NBA is a real question.
 
Seeing the #20 and #27 get traded away is a little frustrating...I really hope Petrie can pull something off on draft day...something! It's been tough as a fan to see the past few summers treated as same ol' same ol' - draft pick/MLE/extension/late summer 'scrub' signing - when it was clear that rebuilding needed to start a while ago. Now's the time for action!

Unfortunately, I believe that the #12 is a risky/undesirable spot with potential busts like Randolph, Greene and roleplayers like Darrell Arthur...I see a lot more "safe bets" in the late teens/early 20s (excluding McGee, Jordan of course)...really wish we could add a pick in that range.

Hopefully, we can package our second rounders and a player or two for a second first round pick in the 18-25 range.
 
HighFlyingMonkey said:
Here's a pretty extensive mix:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-CRtna5iDFc

You can see there is talent there. Just needs to be refined.
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Yep, kid has bundles of talent. Of course, anyone can look good in a mix. But Randolph clearly has talent. For someone his size, he's extremely quick and fluid. He runs the floor like a guard, and a quick one at that. Some of the moves in their are very similar to that of Chris Bosh. Obviously, Bosh has a far bigger reportoire of moves, but his ceiling is as high as Bosh's.

I still think Randolph will be a big SF with the ability to play some PF, not the other way round. He has a very good handle for someone that big, and as mentioned, he's very quick. He may lose some of that quickness once he starts getting stronger, but he'll still be very quick. He also is a decent passer from what I can see.

This guy is a high risk, but if he pans out you could have a great player. With his size and mobility, he's going to be a nightmare matchup for whoevers guarding him if he fulfills his potential. One things certain, he absolutely has to put on 20-30 lbs of muscle. He's rail thin, and even in that mix you could see he had trouble finishing after contact. He needs to get stronger. Big potential here. Very happy if we got him at 12.
 
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