AK on the block??

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Smills91

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Eze says that Larry Miller may look into moving him because he is pissed off with his play and attitude of late. The Jazz are near or at the LTT. I wonder if the Kings could somehow swipe up Kirlenko with a combination of players, and exprings(which is what I think miller would really want) to land him.

And AK/Ron-Ron forward tandem would be one of the most unique talent sets the NBA has ever seen.
 
Smills91 said:
Eze says that Larry Miller may look into moving him because he is pissed off with his play and attitude of late. The Jazz are near or at the LTT. I wonder if the Kings could somehow swipe up Kirlenko with a combination of players, and exprings(which is what I think miller would really want) to land him.

And AK/Ron-Ron forward tandem would be one of the most unique talent sets the NBA has ever seen.
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Unique in that you'll have double the defense but also double the amount of stupid shots?

And with his ginormous contract? I'd pass on that one.
 
Here's an idea:

Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest
Corliss Williamson

Sacramento incoming:
Andre Kirilenko

Clippers outgoing:
Corey Maggette

Clippers incoming:
Ron Artest

Utah outgoing:
Andre Kirilenko

Utah incoming:
Corey Maggette
Corliss Wililamson

The Kings give up about $5 million in cap space going into the offseason, but if Bibby opts out there's still about $7-8 million to go after Mo Williams, and another trade for an expiring would do the trick.
 
nbrans said:
Here's an idea:

Sacramento outgoing:
Ron Artest
Corliss Williamson

Sacramento incoming:
Andre Kirilenko

Clippers outgoing:
Corey Maggette

Clippers incoming:
Ron Artest

Utah outgoing:
Andre Kirilenko

Utah incoming:
Corey Maggette
Corliss Wililamson

The Kings give up about $5 million in cap space going into the offseason, but if Bibby opts out there's still about $7-8 million to go after Mo Williams, and another trade for an expiring would do the trick.
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Clipper make out like bandits and that negates the whole idea of getting Kirilenko(to pair him WITH Artest).

I have no problems with either Artest/Kirilenko playing PF. Artest has the strength and Kirlenko has the length. I think it'd be interesting to see two of the best ballhawks out on the floor at the same time, on the same team.
 
While the idea of getting AK47 is intriguing, I just can't see Jerry Sloan being willing to take on Artest. That relationship would stay friendly for, oh, 30 seconds.
 
Actually, I have long loved the idea of pairing AK and Ron, and screw that neither is a PF. Neither is anybody we have, and AK is an amazingly disruptive defender.

This is one of the few moves for a current star that I WOULD be interested in because AK is still young, and the defensive potential of that team. Thing is its hard to se it really happeneing, and its hard to see what we could give up (that the Jazz would realistically take) that would leave us that much better off than we were before the trade.

In any case Miller is one of those owners who legitimately combines being an idiot AND an *******, so he's going to fly off and say stupid crap like this from tiime to time, and its rarely going to come to much.
 
The Clips were rumored to have interest in Bibby, so some combination involving Bibby to LAC, Magette to Utah and AK to the Kings is not remotely out of the question. Utah signed Magette to an offer sheet a few seasons back and I'm sure the interest would still be there. Pairing Ron with AK would be great IMO.
 
Diabeticwonder said:
The Clips were rumored to have interest in Bibby, so some combination involving Bibby to LAC, Magette to Utah and AK to the Kings is not remotely out of the question. Utah signed Magette to an offer sheet a few seasons back and I'm sure the interest would still be there. Pairing Ron with AK would be great IMO.
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That's the thing though, now. Ron is...unstable. Its so easy to see him either blowing up or just leaving at the end of the next year. Bibby is a good player, might even be an ender. And of course we have no remotely competent backups to take his place. Vaguely confuing here just in that the pairing Ron+AK thing looked like a lot of fun 6 months aga, but now...would it last? Would we get better? Is Ron interested in lasting? Are we? We're just such a mess its hard to figure the value of trades like these unless we get slam dunks talentwise, which I would think obviously we're not going to get. So...then you have two SFs, no big board mashing center to cover for that, no PG, one of the SFs is a nut, the other injury prone...sigh.
 
^The offense would also be ridiculously ugly. I like the idea of Ron and Kirilenko on paper, but they duplicate each other to some extent and you'd need some serious offensive firepower to clean up after Ron and Kirilenko's mess.
 
nbrans said:
^The offense would also be ridiculously ugly. I like the idea of Ron and Kirilenko on paper, but they duplicate each other to some extent and you'd need some serious offensive firepower to clean up after Ron and Kirilenko's mess.
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But the defense would be spectacular. But setting that aside, the offense wouldn't be any uglier than Ron + KT paired. The problem being what you would give up to get that pairing. Well, that along with the other concerns above.
 
Here's a thought to something that might work for all teams involved...

Kings deal:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Vitaly Potapenko
Francisco Garcia
Lotter protected 2008 draft pick

Kings receive
Andrei Kirilenko

Chicago deals:
PJ Brown
Lottery protected 2008 draft pick

Chicago receives:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Vitaly Potapenko

Utah trades:
Andrei Kirilenko

Utah receives:
PJ Brown
Francisco Garcia
2008 lottery protected pick from Kings
2008 lottery protected pick from Bulls

Utah gets cap relief and future assets...Garcia could come off the bench and replace the minutes that Harpring/Giricek don't make up. PJ Brown would be an excellent short term fit for the Jazz. The 2 first rounders make this a no-brainer for them

The Bulls get the piece they NEED without giving up any kiddies in the process. They keep their cap situation in check.

THe Kings get a very interesting line-up now.

C: Brad Miller, Mo Taylor, Justin Williams
PF: Andrei Kirilenko, Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson
SF: Ron Artest, John Salmons
SG: Kevin Martin, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Ronnie Price, Jason Hart

We get major scoring from Martin/Bibby/Miller that the most dominant defensive forward tandem helps disguise the defensive liabilities of Brad/Mike.
 
^That might make sense if Utah were rebuilding, but they're not. They need guys who can play and win right now.
 
nbrans said:
^That might make sense if Utah were rebuilding, but they're not. They need guys who can play and win right now.
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I actually think it does BOTH for Utah and they come out the furthest ahead even though they give up the most talent.

PJ Brown would be an ideal 3rd wheel in the frontcourt off the bench. He is an excellent defender and could play with or for both Mehmet and Carlos.

Boozer/Okur/Williams/Brewer are all in their mid 20's or younger. If they unload AK's deal, they'll be able to keep that group intact for years to come. They also get 3 more young prospects to add to that core. If just ONE of those pans out that they can extend on reasoable money, the Jazz potential have their line-up set for 6-8 years barring no injuries or personal break downs.

Trading Kirilenko makes more sense for the Jazz on a futuristic standpoint than anything else.

The Jazz aren't rebuilding, but they are BUILDING and having the RIGHT contracts with the RIGHT players that fit your team is the an absolute must for success in the NBA.

The Jazz are still a couple years away from contending IMO.
 
Smills91 said:
I actually think it does BOTH for Utah and they come out the furthest ahead even though they give up the most talent.

PJ Brown would be an ideal 3rd wheel in the frontcourt off the bench. He is an excellent defender and could play with or for both Mehmet and Carlos.

Boozer/Okur/Williams/Brewer are all in their mid 20's or younger. If they unload AK's deal, they'll be able to keep that group intact for years to come. They also get 3 more young prospects to add to that core. If just ONE of those pans out that they can extend on reasoable money, the Jazz potential have their line-up set for 6-8 years barring no injuries or personal break downs.

Trading Kirilenko makes more sense for the Jazz on a futuristic standpoint than anything else.

The Jazz aren't rebuilding, but they are BUILDING and having the RIGHT contracts with the RIGHT players that fit your team is the an absolute must for success in the NBA.

The Jazz are still a couple years away from contending IMO.
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smills, no. This is absolutely ridiculous. Utah trades one of the best defenders in the league for the Kings' 3rd string small forward, an over the hill backup power forward and some picks. They want to win now. Come on, be realistic.
 
nbrans said:
smills, no. This is absolutely ridiculous. Utah trades one of the best defenders in the league for the Kings' 3rd string small forward, an over the hill backup power forward and some picks. They want to win now. Come on, be realistic.
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Kirilenko's value is at an all-time low. He's grossly overpaid and they Jazz's future is even better than it is now. They are able to afford Boozer, Okur, Williams, Brewer and possibly another player between the two picks and Garcia. That team is young and has time to gel. There's no way you can realistically tell me that Utah is a contender. They are a very good team with a promising future.

Okur - age 27
Boozer - age 25
Williams - age 22
Brewer - age 21
Garcia - age 23

You add the extra 2 pick plus the 2 pick they already have, they have the potential to continue adding to their team through the draft AND Free Agency.

Their core is Williams/Boozer/Okur and they need to find the RIGHT role players to surround them. Kirilenko is nice, but it's either him or Boozer that will go.
 
Smills91 said:
Kirilenko's value is at an all-time low. He's grossly overpaid and they Jazz's future is even better than it is now. They are able to afford Boozer, Okur, Williams, Brewer and possibly another player between the two picks and Garcia. That team is young and has time to gel. There's no way you can realistically tell me that Utah is a contender. They are a very good team with a promising future.

Okur - age 27
Boozer - age 25
Williams - age 22
Brewer - age 21
Garcia - age 23

You add the extra 2 pick plus the 2 pick they already have, they have the potential to continue adding to their team through the draft AND Free Agency.

Their core is Williams/Boozer/Okur and they need to find the RIGHT role players to surround them. Kirilenko is nice, but it's either him or Boozer that will go.
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Look, I understand the impetus to trade Kirilenko given that he is not fitting in quite right with their team right now and he's highly paid, but if you think the best the Jazz can do is Garcia, PJ Brown and two future lottery protected draft picks you're crazy. On top of that there's no way Chicago would give up a pick for SAR, so you're looking at convincing the Jazz to take some future pick from the Kings and total crap for AK.

AK is still young and very good -- Utah has no reason to accept such a terrible deal.
 
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nbrans said:
Look, I understand the impetus to trade Kirilenko given that he is not fitting in quite right with their team right now and he's highly paid, but if you think the best the Jazz can do is Garcia, PJ Brown and two future draft picks you're crazy. On top of that there's no way Chicago would give up a pick for SAR, so you're looking at convincing the Jazz to take some future pick from the Kings and total crap for AK.

AK is still young and very good -- Utah has no reason to accept such a terrible deal.
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While i can see other potential deals out there that are better, I wouldn't dismiss this idea as trash either. The question becomes, would another team really take on Kirilenko for the price the Jazz ask.

I'm pretty sure if AK gets dealt some form of cap relief will come back in return.
 
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