Your opinions on #4
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Webber has been great this year and he's not the only one who sometimes takes ill-advised jumpers. Bibby, Pedja, Brad have all had their slumps this year and often its Webbers jumpers that have kept us in games. Most games his rebounding has been great, transition defense is his main prob. But the best thing has been his attitude, you can tell he has taken over as leader and also kept the Kings close. People who say Pedja wants to leave because of CW are wrong. All you have to do is look at Webb and Pedja on the bench w big smiles on their faces. Those aren't fake smiles.
swisshh said:
He may have been better than YOU expected. I, on the other hand, was fully confident he would be a valuable asset to this team.
Your honest assessment of him is different than mine. No problem. You are microanalyzing every single thing he does. Any error is cause for immediate criticism. I'm looking at the bigger picture. I see someone who has come back much further than the experts said he would, who is walking the walk after talking the talk, and who is clearly the leader of the team and leading by example. No one is perfect, and so I don't feel the need to be overly critical after a poor showing. That is why I said we would agree to disagree.
If you look, I agreed with thedofd who was able to be critical without making it sound as though he (Webber) was on probation.
swisshh said:
There's the main difference. I'm not undecided about ANY Kings player, with the possible exception of Eddie House.
It's not a matter of jumping on a bandwagon. So, I say again we will agree to disagree ... and I hope by the end of the season that he (Webber) will have convinced even his harshest critics and most cynical non-believers that he is what some of us know to be true.
love_them_kings
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funsc said:
I think Webb is doing incredible. Not only is he playing at an incredibly high level, he is really "walking the walk" in being a true leader of this team. I had no doubts Webb would come through, and I am thrilled with how well he is playing. That said, Webb mentioned recently in an interview that he still is not as healthy as he'd like to get, and that he thinks he can come back even farther. No complaints about his current play, but, hey, if he thinks he can get even better, I am all for it!
And, I agree, there is nothing I would like better than seeing him lead this team to a championship!
SIR HENRY 8
Bench
I'm very impressed with WEBBERS play the 1st half of season.Would like to see him on all-star team,also like to see him just rest his knee.I was'nt real sure just what to exspect at the beginning of season,his play is a welcome sight.
KP
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Interesting #'s
I decided to wait till 50 votes to comment again. Interesting results a lot more positive than I would have thought. The A and B "positive" grade options got almost 90% combined together. If we factor in some troll-bys and lakers/mavs fans the % might even be higher. Id have to agree with most of you that he has either exceded some cautious expectations or done what some of us (Webber homers) knew he would do all along. There is of course still room for improvement, some of you mentioned the issues here, but all and all I think Kings fans should be happy with a steadily improving Webber, capped by this recent 10 game stretch. Now the real question is... Do I dare start a Peja or Adelman poll????
I decided to wait till 50 votes to comment again. Interesting results a lot more positive than I would have thought. The A and B "positive" grade options got almost 90% combined together. If we factor in some troll-bys and lakers/mavs fans the % might even be higher. Id have to agree with most of you that he has either exceded some cautious expectations or done what some of us (Webber homers) knew he would do all along. There is of course still room for improvement, some of you mentioned the issues here, but all and all I think Kings fans should be happy with a steadily improving Webber, capped by this recent 10 game stretch. Now the real question is... Do I dare start a Peja or Adelman poll????
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
I keep saying it over and over again this year, he needed to transform his game, and he did...he is being very 'Magic-esq'.(his childhood idle) If Magic is watching him this year, he'd probably say he was proud of him, in his maturing, even if it did take 13 seasons and a serious surgery to make it happen. 'They' say you cant recover from microfracture surgery...but somehow I had a feeling that Webb would make them reconsider that statement.
OurYear
Prospect
Like others I had my doubts as to how effective he could be this year. You know what though? He's blown all my expectations out of the water and his leader mentality this year is great. He's a damn skilled player and his game has evolved into a thing of beauty. Those numbers aren't a fluke and he's hitting those FTs! Go Kings!
kingskings!
Bench
KP said:I decided to wait till 50 votes to comment again. Interesting results a lot more positive than I would have thought. The A and B "positive" grade options got almost 90% combined together. If we factor in some troll-bys and lakers/mavs fans the % might even be higher. Id have to agree with most of you that he has either exceded some cautious expectations or done what some of us (Webber homers) knew he would do all along. There is of course still room for improvement, some of you mentioned the issues here, but all and all I think Kings fans should be happy with a steadily improving Webber, capped by this recent 10 game stretch. Now the real question is... Do I dare start a Peja or Adelman poll????
Interesting take on the poll.
I would consider #1 the homer vote.
#2 and #3 the undecided vote
#4 the "less than thrilled" vote (to refrain from using VF's most disliked phrase EVER).
To consider option #2 a positive would require negating everything said on this board last Spring and this season regarding Webber's condition, ability, and value.
I look at options #2 and #3 as the votes of those who are neither homers or haters but those who truly want to believe in Webb's ability to overcome his injury but who look at the situation without prejudice (or the least prejudice). The people who didn't love his play on his return last Spring but who are still hopeful that he can come back and make this TEAM better. The people who are HAPPY that CWebb plays well with others sometimes (smile) instead of forcing the team onto his back when it's not needed.
Personally, I try to refrain from discussing my opinion of Chris Webber with those in the camp of either option #1 or #4. But I do enjoy discussion with all the others in categories #2 and #3.
Chris Webber neither walks on water or is the spawn of Satan.
He is a skilled player of a game. Whether he is among the best ever (HOF) or simply an almost great or the biggest con artist ever is open to debate. Nobody should mistake him for either extreme at this point in his career. Nobody.
Cheers.
KP
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More like Jeers.kingskings! said:Interesting take on the poll.
I would consider #1 the homer vote.
#2 and #3 the undecided vote
#4 the "less than thrilled" vote (to refrain from using VF's most disliked phrase EVER).
To consider option #2 a positive would require negating everything said on this board last Spring and this season regarding Webber's condition, ability, and value.
I look at options #2 and #3 as the votes of those who are neither homers or haters but those who truly want to believe in Webb's ability to overcome his injury but who look at the situation without prejudice (or the least prejudice). The people who didn't love his play on his return last Spring but who are still hopeful that he can come back and make this TEAM better. The people who are HAPPY that CWebb plays well with others sometimes (smile) instead of forcing the team onto his back when it's not needed.
Personally, I try to refrain from discussing my opinion of Chris Webber with those in the camp of either option #1 or #4. But I do enjoy discussion with all the others in categories #2 and #3.
Chris Webber neither walks on water or is the spawn of Satan.
He is a skilled player of a game. Whether he is among the best ever (HOF) or simply an almost great or the biggest con artist ever is open to debate. Nobody should mistake him for either extreme at this point in his career. Nobody.
Cheers.
kingskings!
Bench
OurYear said:
Most excellent props on the improved free throw shooting, indeed!
kingskings!
Bench
KP said:More like Jeers.
May I present an excellent example of option #1?
Since my post does not completely agree with KP's opinion, I must be "bashing" Webber...sigh...
It's no wonder we have such divisive threads on this board.
kingskings!
Bench
KP said:Homer!
WRONG!
I fall into the category of "I want to believe and I like most of what I'm seeing" but not everything...
Honestly, I don't know that I'll ever be a Webber homer again, although I spent a lot of years thinking I saw him walk on water too
.P.S. But I'd like to!
KP
Starter
It's all good. A lot of us still need this kind of production were seeing into the playoffs, me included. I was just kidding with you I don't think you were too far off at all.kingskings! said:WRONG!
I fall into the category of "I want to believe and I like most of what I'm seeing" but not everything...
Honestly, I don't know that I'll ever be a Webber homer again, although I spent a lot of years thinking I saw him walk on water too
P.S. But I'd like to!
kingskings!
Bench
KP said:It's all good. A lot of us still need this kind of production were seeing into the playoffs, me included. I was just kidding with you I don't think you were too far off at all.
Thanks! You definitely "hooked" me on the first post but I gotcha after that!
Good or bad, Chris Webber is the starting power forward for the Sacramento Kings. I would think people would be happy to see that he's doing so well, considering that our franchise pretty much is riding on his shoulders.
The rest of the NBA and its fans have a lower opinion of Webber? How very interesting because from what I've read and heard there are a lot - and I mean a LOT - of people who would love to have him on their team. I would love to see information to the contrary.
I just can't understand how you can put your obvious dislike of Webber over your hopes for this team.
I've said it three times now. I'll agree to disagree. You are not going to convince me to think less of Chris Webber. His numbers speak volumes. It's a shame you're deaf to them.
swisshh said:
The rest of the NBA and its fans have a lower opinion of Webber? How very interesting because from what I've read and heard there are a lot - and I mean a LOT - of people who would love to have him on their team. I would love to see information to the contrary.
I just can't understand how you can put your obvious dislike of Webber over your hopes for this team.
I've said it three times now. I'll agree to disagree. You are not going to convince me to think less of Chris Webber. His numbers speak volumes. It's a shame you're deaf to them.
And for the record, I don't think he walks on water. I know he makes mistakes and I know he's not perfect.
BUT having said that, I find it terribly aggravating that he cannot be allowed to have a poor night or make a few bad choices without people wanting to pillorize him.
In all honesty, has ANY other Sacramento King given as much as he and yet had to prove himself over and over so many different times?
IF - and that's about as big an if as there can be - Webber ever decides to give up on Sacramento, it will be because not even Chris Webber can take the unrelently and often unjustified microanalysis of every single breath he takes, word he speaks, etc. Every possession of the ball is subjected to more discussion that I would have dreamt possible. I think it's abysmal. He's doing the best he can. If that's not good enough for some of you, then it's just not good enough for some of you.
He can't do more than his best.
BUT having said that, I find it terribly aggravating that he cannot be allowed to have a poor night or make a few bad choices without people wanting to pillorize him.
In all honesty, has ANY other Sacramento King given as much as he and yet had to prove himself over and over so many different times?
IF - and that's about as big an if as there can be - Webber ever decides to give up on Sacramento, it will be because not even Chris Webber can take the unrelently and often unjustified microanalysis of every single breath he takes, word he speaks, etc. Every possession of the ball is subjected to more discussion that I would have dreamt possible. I think it's abysmal. He's doing the best he can. If that's not good enough for some of you, then it's just not good enough for some of you.
He can't do more than his best.
KP said:Do I dare start a Peja or Adelman poll????
Why would you want to?
IMHO there has been so much dissention already on this board about this team we all love.
We should be celebrating how well we're doing instead of looking for more reasons for blanket dissention.
But that's just my three cents.
I don't. I'm just honest about the team and players.
Oh he can have a bad night, but I'd like that he would play like he's having a bad night. Don't keep jacking the jumper if it's not there, involve the teammates, hit the boards, contribute in other ways. I am impressed by Webber's physical progress, but he still has mental lapses. As someone said, he has been playing with the tools he has. Letting the game come to him more, but then at times you see him force it and let that mental improvement falter. You see, the poor transition defense isn't just a here or there thing, its been a problem for Webber his entire career. It's only worsen since the injury. He just looks like he gives up on the play and hopes for some .01% chance of a steal. These sort of issues are the difference between a Championship and another year of dissapointment. This year the dissapointment will be less, because the team obviously isn't up to the caliber it used to be. If personal gets better though, then the team really will be in the run for rings and these "little gripes" will matter immensely between being chumps and champs. I am not trying to change your opinion at all. I just don't think you are understanding my reasoning. I don't have an opinion on this, I am just offering analysis of Webber's play. I'd rather have insight than opinion anyways.
And I guess I'd be inbetween the 2 and 3 on this poll.
KingKong
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swisshh said:
I agree with you to a certain extent. And this has been discussed ad naseum but Webber needs to play a little smarter in situations when his shots aren't falling. He has great vision and passing skills, which he should utilize in getting the ball to his teammates, who btw can all score. He shouldn't be forcing the issue but instead become a playmaker for the night and mix things up when he isn't feeling it or he is limited because of his knee or ankle (i.e. the Spurs game). Webb has definately become a leader this season but he doesn't always have to be the hero. What has really impressed me this season about Webber from a mental aspect is leadership, confidence (which is growing with every game and clutchness). Physically, he has impressed me with his movement and his agility is continually improving. He has also significantly improved his FT%, some 15% - 20% which tells me he has obviously put a lot of work into it.
swisshh said:
I'll agree with that portion of your comments. I agree he sometimes - like virtually every other player in the league - doesn't do what would be right for that moment in time. But it's not typical, at least not in my opinion.
I get defensive, I suppose, because so much venom has been spit in his direction.
What I'm seeing is vast improvement in Webber as he lets his game mature. It's a work in progress and, IMHO, it's progressing quite nicely.
slugking50
All-Star
Hmmm interesting....
#1 40
#2 25
#3 3
#4 6
Thats 74 votes so far with 65 of 74 with positive thoughts of Webber. Thats very good if you ask me.
Btw I voted #2.
#1 40
#2 25
#3 3
#4 6
Thats 74 votes so far with 65 of 74 with positive thoughts of Webber. Thats very good if you ask me.
Btw I voted #2.
Ryle
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He's averaging about 22,10 & 5 which is good enough for me. I could probably search back......way back and pull up the declarations I made in saying that I thought Webb would have a great year. Also, people have to cut him some slack with his knee. Look at what the surgery has done to Allen Houston, Penny Hardaway and Najera......
I don't know about the rest of the NBA and its fans, but one thing was a bit surprising to me last week regarding Webber's image.
I was watching Sportscenter after the Kings win against Houston, with two anchors whose names I don't know, just to see what they said about such an incredible game and the Kings last minute heroics.
One of the anchors is describing the action at the end of regulation, saying something along the lines of, "Webber, with a three to tie the game" and the other anchor replies very incredulously, "THAT Chris Webber?"
Whether he was implying simply that Webber isn't widely considered a good three point shooter (although we've seen him hit some big ones) or (as I think he was) that Webb has a reputation for being a choker, is a tough thing to judge definitively. Either way, the surprise in his voice clearly showed that he didn't expect CWebb to be able to hit the game winner.
True or not, there are still some very negative perceptions of CWebb around the league, especially by the media.
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love_them_kings
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funkykingston said:
Hard to judge without hearing it, but Webber definitely isn't known as being a 3 ponit shooter, and on a team like the Kings where we have several 3 point shooters, I think it would be surprising to most that Webb would be the one to take the 3. I'm surprised that anyone can feel this way, but I'd have to say that watching the Kings this year I've been very impressed with Webb's clutch play, he plays well down the stretch and seems to come alive in the end even if he is struggling.
ImaDougaholic24_7
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CWebb is the man, nuff said!
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