Yet the 2 guys we've brought in for second looks are both offense first guys as well.
Who is available as 6th-7th pick
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Yet the 2 guys we've brought in for second looks are both offense first guys as well.
Kings need to look at free agency and trades to improve their defense. There isn't anyone I'd take with the 7th pick for defense. I'm going with Zeller all the way. Then move your pieces around to build a team. I agree with many of you that the Kings need defense around the rim. Cousins needs to improve there and they can try to make moves outside of the draft to give Cousins some help.
Gary
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The problem with Jimmer is basically what Grant said. He does REALLY bad against pressure. If he was to ever play PG full time he would need to be able to handle the ball when under pressure. If someone would give us a late 1st rounder for him then all the better though. I don't think Jimmer is very valuable though. Maybe a bench 3pt threat in a small lineup? Anyhow, there are teams that sell their late 1st rounders every year, or trade them for future considerations so while I don't think it will happen it wouldn't surprise me.
jcwkings
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I would do Jimmer for mid first rounder in a heartbeat. I like Snell, could become a Dorell Wright down the line. Haven't done enough research to make conclusions on Hardaway Jr. tbh. Jimmer becomes especially expendable if we take Burke or McCollum at 7. My trade pieces are Jimmer, Thornton, Isaiah(if the deal is worth it).
Bricklayer
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I would make a trade like that in an instant. To recover some value for Jimmer would be an excellent start, He never had much hope in the NBA, and everybody's schemes for salvaging him always feature a whole bunch of work for very little payout. To get a fresh swing at things, whether it be with a defensive stopper type like Snell, or one of the project bigs like Dieng or Gobert, would be a nice save indeed.
Yep. Kings need to get anything for Jimmer while they can. He just can't hang with the big boys. He would be a great fit in Utah. The crowd will go nuts when he hits a three in garbage time!
KingsCitizen
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If Cousin gets handed with that MAX contract, he better be hiring a defense coach who can teach to block shot.
Then he should train with Blake Griffin in those Sand dunes to get more lift.
MAX players should turn themselves into Superman and not Batman who needs a sidekick named Robin.
Speaking of Robin, Robin Lopez could help Cuz.
My point was that I wouldn't make that trade to grab Hardaway and maybe Snell. If we want to get a real need like a defensive big, sounds good. But I don't think trading Jimmer with his strengths/weaknesses for one of those two guys is that much of a need filler for the team.
No chance they trade Sanders. He's already one of the few elite defensive bigs in the NBA, he's a fantastic rebounder, and he's only 24 which leaves some room for him to improve his offensive game.
Salmons and Hayes for Sanders? cmon now.
Bricklayer
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If Snell can be that defensive stopper then he could definitely be a boost. The enthusiastic comparisons are to a Bowen type. Nothing statistically, but just lock his guy up.
The Hardaway things I take with the same grain of salt I do with most Golden State related stuff. Its the cheap and easy story/relationship to peddle because of where Malone coached the last two years. Maybe true, but hard to imagine why. Easy to sell as true if not though.
Snell is a versatile offensive player, though without any very good skill at NBA level, who didn't bother with rebounding or defense in college. To get from that to Bowen would require a lot of work for 2-3 years. Does he have that kind of dedication? Crabbe displayed similar skill-set in college(better shooting, worse ball skills), measured just as impressively, but there was a lot of rumors of people doubting his ability to work on his game, source was his coach if I understand correctly. For Snell not a peep, but I'm sure all teams are doing psych evaluations at this day and age.
Bricklayer
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Hey, I'm just reporting what people are talking about with Snell -- apparently by the numbers he locked down everybody air tight last year as a man defender. I cannot say at all, and locking down college kids isn't always that hard. But that's the rep/buzz about Snell atm. Statistically he looks completely hopeless and bound for Europe. But its the man defense that has people talking about things in a Bowen/Augmon/Allen sort of way. Bowen didn't do anything but defend and hit that corner three either. Completely worthless rebounder, passer, scorer. Just locked up his man and went and spotted up in the corner.
Of course highlights being highlights according to ESPN producers, there is precious little out there of his defensive work. ESPN thinks all players score everytime and on 100% dunks and made threes.
Dime Dropper
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I'd be really interested to see the individual defensive stats for Snell, because nothing else suggests to me that he's a good defender, and I'm really confused as to where the tag has came from. Usually good defenders pick up a couple steals and a block just from being active and giving effort, but Snell didn't come close. Now that's obviously not the marker for good defense, but I still haven't seen it. I really wonder if people are just seeing his physical resemblance to Kawhi and making the comparison. Sounds silly, but so many comparisons are made based on physical appearance rather than type of game, which is just ridiculous.
As for trading Jimmer for a pick, well of course I'd be down for that. Would salvage that whole scenario somewhat (and it seems easily done, as Woj reported that lots of teams in the late 20s aren't enthusiastic about keeping their picks). But I wouldn't take Snell, I'd be looking for someone like Karasev (not a defender but will be a good player and teams could easily regret passing on him) or if you're intent on adding defense, take Dieng, Mitchell, Nogueira or someone of that ilk. In fact I'm very disappointed we didn't get those guys in for a look, especially Mitchell, who could be a great fit next to Cuz. But Malone did say they might take someone they haven't worked out, though I get the impression that's more in line with someone unexpectedly falling to 7 rather than for someone to be picked later with an aquired pick. I just don't get the Snell love, I'll really need to see some encouraging numbers to convince me otherwise.
As for trading Jimmer for a pick, well of course I'd be down for that. Would salvage that whole scenario somewhat (and it seems easily done, as Woj reported that lots of teams in the late 20s aren't enthusiastic about keeping their picks). But I wouldn't take Snell, I'd be looking for someone like Karasev (not a defender but will be a good player and teams could easily regret passing on him) or if you're intent on adding defense, take Dieng, Mitchell, Nogueira or someone of that ilk. In fact I'm very disappointed we didn't get those guys in for a look, especially Mitchell, who could be a great fit next to Cuz. But Malone did say they might take someone they haven't worked out, though I get the impression that's more in line with someone unexpectedly falling to 7 rather than for someone to be picked later with an aquired pick. I just don't get the Snell love, I'll really need to see some encouraging numbers to convince me otherwise.
jalfa
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I maintain that these two guys are simply awesome. listening to Adams say stuff like he's sad that there's no more workouts to go to impresses the hell out of me, since everybody else seems to just be tired and happy that it's over. McCollum said in another interview that Adams was basically just bullying people, so to have a guy that physically gifted be that hungry and have realistic expectations of what he'll be at the next level and the work he'll have to put in, to me, is hella promising. also apparently a bit of a weirdo. don't mind that one bit.
as far as McCollum, I like his insistence on being able to play off others. I understand concerns about his mindset maybe being that he'll be featured a lot, but if he can come in with a role player attitude, I don't mind him next to Reke at all. also seems to be very smart, which bodes well for him too. basically, if we come out of the draft with either player, I won't be disappointed.
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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It's not just the Kings who have started to fall in love with Snell. Other teams have been impressed as well, and he's one of the big risers out of the team workout period of the pre draft stuff.
Like I said before, I'd certainly be ok trading Jimmer for him. No brainer, really. That being said, I'd like to see us use that second first on a guy like Dieng, but there has been no indication that we are interested in him at all.
By the time our second round pick comes up, I have a feeling one of Gobert, Noguiera, Dieng, or Withey will be there. Just a hunch. It feels like Gobert if falling fast. Would love any one of them in the second round.
Like I said before, I'd certainly be ok trading Jimmer for him. No brainer, really. That being said, I'd like to see us use that second first on a guy like Dieng, but there has been no indication that we are interested in him at all.
By the time our second round pick comes up, I have a feeling one of Gobert, Noguiera, Dieng, or Withey will be there. Just a hunch. It feels like Gobert if falling fast. Would love any one of them in the second round.
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Bricklayer
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That's again where I am guessing the Bowen comparison comes in. Bowen is a legendary defender, and yet statistically he is one of the worst players in the history of the NBA. And that even includes the defensive stats. Bowen picked up very few steals, rarely blocked anything. His job as he saw it was never to take any chances and jut stick to his man like glue and challenge everything. Career averages of 27.6min 6.1pts 2.8reb 1.2ast 0.8stl 0.4blk. So to the degree that Snell comes along and is locking guys up in man defense, but not stealing, blocking, boarding, or doing anything else statistical, well, that I think is where the Bowen thing is coming in. The thing is I have no idea whether the Snell man defense rep is true or not. The stat thrown around is that he only allowed 18.8% scoring against him in iso situations. I have no idea if that is amazing or not at the college level.
Dime Dropper
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My problem with the comparison is that, as you said, Bowen is one of the greatest man defenders of all time. He's one of very few players in NBA history who could get away with being so inept in other areas. And to be honest, I don't feel confident at all on banking on Snell reaching anywhere near that level defensively. I'll gladly eat crow if we take him and I'm wrong, but players like Bowen are few and far between. Hey, if Snell is capable of putting the clamps on NBA wings, bring him in! Lord knows we need it. The disconnect for me is that I'm not confident he's athletic enough, nor good enough a defender, to do so, at which point he becomes a completely wasted pick because he doesn't do anything else well enough to make it in the NBA.
Obviously a lot of effectiveness for defenders depends on reputation. And well, kung-fu jumps will be out of limit for Snell for quite some time, for sure. 
Apparently, Adams, KCP and Karasev got additional invites to the Green room. Karasev is a real surprise. Dallas, to stash him?
Apparently, Adams, KCP and Karasev got additional invites to the Green room. Karasev is a real surprise. Dallas, to stash him?
Dime Dropper
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Obviously a lot of effectiveness for defenders depends on reputation. And well, kung-fu jumps will be out of limit for Snell for quite some time, for sure.
Apparently, Adams, KCP and Karasev got additional invites to the Green room. Karasev is a real surprise. Dallas, to stash him?
Does not surprise me. Karasev is going to be better than quite a few taken ahead of him. I know he's not a specialist defender, but I'd still be happy with him. Seems there is no chance of that happening, though. Whoever gets him will have a good player. I'd prefer him over a lot of players projected in our area.
Dime Dropper
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Southerland would indeed be a pointless pick, even in the 2nd. I'm really nervous about this draft given what I've heard. I have a bad feeling I'm going to be disappointed on the night. It's a good thing I'm not absolutely sold on any particular player at 7, or I'd be worse off. I'll probably be much more angry in the 2nd if we waste our pick on Southerland when there's fat better prospects available.
Sorry couldn't help but laugh when I read that
Section 101
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Chris Sheridan has Oladipo dropping to number 7 in his latest mock draft.
roasthawg
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I don't see this happening but this is a very fluid draft... someone like McLemore could end up being available and surprise us all no doubt.
Glenn
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Either PDA or Malone said that workouts are just a small part of the data acquired to make a decision come draft time. Primarily it lets you interact with the player.
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Shabazz916
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tony snell or tim hardaway jr
Kingster
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That's where the analytics guys have to drill down a lot in order to see defensive efficiency (or use the eyeball test). Otherwise, it could be like a cornerback in football: he doesn't get any interceptions because nobody throws to his side of the field.
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Shabazz916
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regardless we have a defensive coach.. and snell has length and he can shoot.. thats what we need a 3/4 of a leonard from the spurs would be a great pick
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