Who is available as 6th-7th pick
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Actually that is a bit of a "surface" analysis. Spurs are absolute masters at drafting good role players, developing them and before they are due to sign new contracts (after their rookie deals expire) they trade them out for some useful pieces or draft picks. It's a classic Spurs tactic. Just take a look at Leonard. Yes they traded for him BUT, they drafted a player that they liked in George Hill who was tremendous for the Spurs. In fact Popovich has said numerous times that George Hill was his favourite and it was the toughest thing for him to deal him away but they needed to do that because they couldn't afford to pay him what he was going to get. So they trade him for a draft pick with a very specific player in mind and they had deals in place with numerous teams until eventually they pulled one with Indiana.
They did the same thing with Beno. They drafted him, developed him and before he was up for renewal they traded him but drafted his replacement in Hill. They are masters at doing precisely that. Finding good role players in the draft on cheap contracts and even stashing some of their second round picks overseas. Classic example of this is a player who plays for my team in Serbia Davis Bertans. He is a SF/PF with tremendous range and shooting touch. He is sort of their replacement for Matt Bonner or something similar. They used Scola to get another asset. They know how to work the system, put a contender out every year without going into the luxury tax territory.
It's precisely what I want Kings to do. I want us to scout europe and the rest of the world with real aggression, use out 2nd round picks on players that have the potential and leave them overseas for a few years and when they come over, you have good role players on the cheap. Not only that, but you have some big trade chips if you need them.
They did the same thing with Beno. They drafted him, developed him and before he was up for renewal they traded him but drafted his replacement in Hill. They are masters at doing precisely that. Finding good role players in the draft on cheap contracts and even stashing some of their second round picks overseas. Classic example of this is a player who plays for my team in Serbia Davis Bertans. He is a SF/PF with tremendous range and shooting touch. He is sort of their replacement for Matt Bonner or something similar. They used Scola to get another asset. They know how to work the system, put a contender out every year without going into the luxury tax territory.
It's precisely what I want Kings to do. I want us to scout europe and the rest of the world with real aggression, use out 2nd round picks on players that have the potential and leave them overseas for a few years and when they come over, you have good role players on the cheap. Not only that, but you have some big trade chips if you need them.
Hill is the only one they developed and turned into something else. Name another one? Beno was traded for cap relief, it was a 2nd round pick they got. They drafted Hill with their own pick.
They drafted Scola and knew he wasn't coming for years. They planned it because of their cap situation. They basically got robbed when they traded him.
And once again your talking about late round and 2nd round picks, not lotto guys.
They drafted Scola and knew he wasn't coming for years. They planned it because of their cap situation. They basically got robbed when they traded him.
And once again your talking about late round and 2nd round picks, not lotto guys.
He's a very good shooter with excellent physical tools. Didn't like that in his Combine interview he talked a lot about expanding his offense and haven't uttered that bad D word even once, but it might have been as much about questions asked. In the end Crabbe said he knows he will have to work for his place on the court and is willing to do everything.
I recently found a mock draft that had Otto Porter at #8 and Odalipo at #9. The only point being that that even if 90% of people think that the players that would help us are gone by #7, there is no sure fire order in which the players will be drafted. The draft only take one person falling and we may get a useful and healthy player. The draft isn't over until the draft is over. I'm, not saying this mock made sense but then not all GMs make sense. All it take is one GM who who picks in what we think is an unusual manner and we are in decent shape. If I find it, I'll post it but posting it won't really prove anything.
I doubt that Zeller will ever be a star, and maybe never be a starter in the league as well. All depends on him and the adjustments he needs to make. but if I were going to take a risk on a big man, it would be Steven Adams. He's not nearly as skilled as Zeller at the moment, but his upside if much higher, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Stumbled upon this interesting effort on a TWolves blog to classify best and worst scenarios for a number of college prospects.
Key takeaways: With a best case of Joe Johnson and worst case (you'll note that many of the worst cases here, unlike on DX, are actually bad) of Jared Dudley, Otto Porter looks really good. Biggest risk? MCW, with best case of Gary Payton and worst case of Everette Stephens (who?).
Key takeaways: With a best case of Joe Johnson and worst case (you'll note that many of the worst cases here, unlike on DX, are actually bad) of Jared Dudley, Otto Porter looks really good. Biggest risk? MCW, with best case of Gary Payton and worst case of Everette Stephens (who?).
I would go with McCollum and trade Jimmer. I don't see the new leadership trading such a high character player in IT. Thats assuming we re sign Tyreke. There no such thing as a strictly facilitating pg in the NBA anymore. All the top pg's have a score first mentality, with the ability to find their teammates.
I still like Schroeder at 7 but it's possible he goes earlier. MIL worked him out and said great things like how good he is defensively, how he's a complete player, is 19 and has lots of upside. Noel, Porter, Oladipo, McLemore, Schroeder... I'm not Burke's biggest fan but you could do worse at 7. Although I admit to not having looked at any of the bigs yet like Len, Dieng, etc.
I hope the day comes where we draft people not only because we like certain players but also because they fit into some grand design of building a team. We also need a SF like Porter and a shot blocking big like several that may be available. If it came between a pick for a PG, a SF, or a shotblocking big, Schroder would be the last on my list based on team needs.
Some including the Maloofs liked Jimmer and now we have him.
Some including the Maloofs liked Jimmer and now we have him.
I really wish I had watched MCW more intently this past year. Although Burke and McCollum may be available at #7, I don't think we should be drafting a PG unless he brings something different than IT. I'm not convinced that Burke will be better and IT can score in spurts like McCollum. Scoring is not an issue for this team. MCW intrigues me at PG because of his height and length. I picture him and Tyreke on the defensive end causing serious problems for the opposition. Syracuse plays a matchup zone, so man defense doesn't worry me. It's essentially man to man with a lot of switching. His length as it relates to defense and his court vision on offense have me thinking of the potential to have a player similar to Doug Christie again.
The players that I really want out of this draft would be Porter or Olidipo. Don't think either will be available. If I had to guess, we're going to end up with Burke. If this happens, hopefully we can trade Jimmer and get a SF that is going to compliment the core of DMC/Reke/Burke.
The players that I really want out of this draft would be Porter or Olidipo. Don't think either will be available. If I had to guess, we're going to end up with Burke. If this happens, hopefully we can trade Jimmer and get a SF that is going to compliment the core of DMC/Reke/Burke.
I think scoring IS an issue for this team and in my opinion the offensive numbers for the second half of this season are fool's gold. The Kings scored a lot of points while giving up even more. It was a matter if tempo, not offensive prowess that boosted the Kings' stats on that side of the ball. Not only did it not lead to more wins in the regular season, but it's a non-starter in the playoffs where opponents will force you to be disciplined and score in the half court. And that was a major issue with Smart as the team didn't show the consistent ability to get good looks out of their half court sets.
Agreed. But one has to decide if the PG should handle the ball most of the time like Parker, Westbrook, Rose, Curry to create shots for himself, or pass the ball quickly and mainly play off the ball, like Hill, Conley, Nash, Calderon. Do the Kings need a ball-dominant, high-scoring PG alonside Evans and Cousins or do we need a facilitator, who focuses on playing solid D, rotating the ball quickly and hitting open jumpers or exploiting driving opportunities?
When I saw MCW play early in the season I thought "this guy is a potential All-Star". He was just effortlessly orchestrating easy looks for his teammates and tearing up the other team defensively coming up with every loose ball. Then I saw him a couple times late in the season and thought he was headed for some coach's dog house until he learns how to better take care of the ball. I'm not surprised there's a wide range of opinions about him because depending on which games you saw he was either the best player on the floor or a coach's worst nightmare. Under normal circumstances I'd be scared to death of picking a guy that hard to pin down with my high lottery pick, but looking at the group left on the board at 7, I could also talk myself into trusting his talent and potential over some less exciting utilitarian role-player types. No doubt he's an interesting fit for us because he does bring the promise of length and athleticism in the backcourt and a knack for finding his teammates with the ball, but he also can't shoot a lick and his bouts of poor decision making at times recall Tyreke at his least effective, forcing things that aren't there.
Porter and Oladipo would be easy picks if they're on the board. I get the impression trading up is very possible this season as none of the top players is a guaranteed star. But if things go as projected and we're still picking 7th, the most talented players available from what I've seen are going to be MCW and Schroeder. Both of them are playmakers and plus defenders with a significant disadvantage (shooting for MCW and strength/size for Schroeder). I worry with MCW that he isn't going to be a good enough defender to offset his offensive limitations and I worry with Schroeder that he's maybe too ball dominant and/or plays at a different speed than Cousins and Evans, but either one is a good pick talent-wise I think. The real heavy lifting is going to have to be done with trades and free agency to fill the void at SF and get a defensive specialist in the frontcourt. Hopefully we get a new GM who's up for the task.
Porter and Oladipo would be easy picks if they're on the board. I get the impression trading up is very possible this season as none of the top players is a guaranteed star. But if things go as projected and we're still picking 7th, the most talented players available from what I've seen are going to be MCW and Schroeder. Both of them are playmakers and plus defenders with a significant disadvantage (shooting for MCW and strength/size for Schroeder). I worry with MCW that he isn't going to be a good enough defender to offset his offensive limitations and I worry with Schroeder that he's maybe too ball dominant and/or plays at a different speed than Cousins and Evans, but either one is a good pick talent-wise I think. The real heavy lifting is going to have to be done with trades and free agency to fill the void at SF and get a defensive specialist in the frontcourt. Hopefully we get a new GM who's up for the task.
There are a number of teams who would go after Jimmer as a backup PG, if they can get him for a song. A team that knows how to swing the ball on the perimeter and can play team defense (even in the second unit) would be more than willing to take a flyer on a guy who shoots 42% from 3 point range. Rockets, Knicks, Spurs, Jazz, Lakers could all use his skillset.
With the Maloofs gone, the team may actually be able to trade him.
With the Maloofs gone, the team may actually be able to trade him.
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I agree with what you said about MCW. I would have to think really long and hard about choosing him 7th. His inconsistency is his biggest flaw, followed by his lack of shooting ability, which would instantly make us one of the easiest teams to guard. Someone has to be able to hit an outside shot, otherwise it will be more of the same (pack the paint). That's why I would not pick MCW, he just does not fit. Schroeder can hit the outside shot (he isn't the next Ray Allen by any means) and is ridiculously quick, which would be an advantage for us. His size isn't the question, actually, it's his weight. The guy is 6'2"... he just weighs as much as a twig (but if he adds weight, his quickness diminishes). It's a double edged sword. I cannot recall where I read this, but a team has promised Schroeder that he is not going past 15. He has already worked out for a couple of teams, so it is most likely one of them. I really like Schroeder, but I am not sure that he may be the best fit for the team. Personally I think Karasev would be the closest to ideal fit. A sweet shooting SF with decent handles that can pass? Yes please
That's basically what I meant. He's got good height and length for a PG and he's jet quick and likes to play man to man defense -- all reasons why I like him. But the bigger guards in the league are going to push him around if he doesn't manage to put on a significant amount of weight. He's going to have a speed advantage to offset that, but that's where I wonder if a team built around Tyreke and Demarcus is actually going to be able to utilize that speed effectively. But then San Antonio has a similar dynamic with Parker and Duncan/Ginobili and they've made it work (to put it mildly) so maybe it's not worth worrying about. A PG who can get wherever he wants to go on the court and plays hard on the defensive end as well is a valuable piece on any team.
The impact that Schroeder brings relies heavily on him being able to run circles around other guards, and if Malone is this defensive guru and genius everyone is saying he is, he will figure out a way to make it work somehow. Clearly, Schroeder would have to take the lesser of two evils and Tyreke would have to guard the bigger man. He will get posted up for sure; any good coach would look at that opportunity with a smile on his face, but with good team defense it should not be impossible to offset. Plus, as you say, he is a willing defender and I would rather have quickness than someone who can't be posted up, but also cannot keep up on the perimeter. Guards are primarily out on the perimeter, and Schroeder would definitely not be at a disadvantage whatsoever. I wish we could somehow draft Schroeder and Karasev. But we need veteran leadership somewhere I suppose. I would love an impact player at the PG position. We don't need brilliance coming from the SF position, just being able to defend and hit the open shot. But teams with good to great PGs usually do better than those without a good to great PG. Looking at the teams in the playoffs this year
-Nets: Deron Williams
-Clippers: Chris Paul
-Grizzlies: Mike Conley
-San Antonio: Tony Parker
-New York: Raymond Felton
-Denver Nuggets: Ty Lawson
-Milwaukee: Brandon Jennings (decent)
-Boston: Rajon Rondo (pre-injury)
-OKC: Russel Westbrook
-Golden State: Stephen Curry
-Houston: Jeremy Lin (decent)
All those teams have good to great PGs, and those that don't (Lakers and Miami) have legends in their place. How many of those teams listed above have more than decent/solid SFs? The SF slot is mostly complimentary for the majority of the teams. PG/SG, and PF/C combination is where it is at. However, we already have a good SG in Tyreke (potentially great if used correctly and developed properly) and a great center in Cousins. If we get that 3rd part, the PG slot, we are golden. All we would need is a defensive playing SF that can hit the open shot and a better compliment to Cousins.
-Nets: Deron Williams
-Clippers: Chris Paul
-Grizzlies: Mike Conley
-San Antonio: Tony Parker
-New York: Raymond Felton
-Denver Nuggets: Ty Lawson
-Milwaukee: Brandon Jennings (decent)
-Boston: Rajon Rondo (pre-injury)
-OKC: Russel Westbrook
-Golden State: Stephen Curry
-Houston: Jeremy Lin (decent)
All those teams have good to great PGs, and those that don't (Lakers and Miami) have legends in their place. How many of those teams listed above have more than decent/solid SFs? The SF slot is mostly complimentary for the majority of the teams. PG/SG, and PF/C combination is where it is at. However, we already have a good SG in Tyreke (potentially great if used correctly and developed properly) and a great center in Cousins. If we get that 3rd part, the PG slot, we are golden. All we would need is a defensive playing SF that can hit the open shot and a better compliment to Cousins.
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I think MCW will be a disruptive defender that may be able to guard smaller PGs. With Mike Malone now the coach, I think MCWs chances of being drafted by the Kings went way up. I watched a lot of Warriors basketball last season, and they went with a 1-2-2 zone quite often, and MCW would cause havoc at the top or wing in that scheme.
I'm not really worried about his shot, but it does have to improve for him to be a better than average pro. He's already there as a passing/slashing playmaker on offense, and athletic enough to make some outstanding plays on the break.
Does that remind anybody else of Doug Christie?
I'm not really worried about his shot, but it does have to improve for him to be a better than average pro. He's already there as a passing/slashing playmaker on offense, and athletic enough to make some outstanding plays on the break.
Does that remind anybody else of Doug Christie?