That Mavs roster is a great example of how the right combination of role players makes or breaks a team. That core had another 2 serious years at a title run. Even though they kept 4 of their 5 best players the next season, hey lost the factors that made them a championship team. The defense/toughness from Chandler and Stevenson. Barea's ability to penetrate at will. Losing Peja as a lights-out 3pt threat. Amazing how those 4 guys were the difference from a title team to getting dominated as a 7 seed
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This article pretty much sums up my feelings perfectly.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1653436-michael-carter-williams-deserves-to-be-a-top-10-pick-in-2013-nba-draft
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1653436-michael-carter-williams-deserves-to-be-a-top-10-pick-in-2013-nba-draft
My concerns with Carter-Willliams are his handles, lack of a way to score, and that Syracuse pedigree. He has a high dribble that he doesn't protect. He just sort of slowly dribbles out there for the defense to swipe at. Also, you either have the ability to shoot or the ability to drive and finish. If you're weak at both then defenses in the NBA are just going to sit back on you waiting for the pass.
Sometimes when you fall in love with a player, he's not ranked that high. The problem is that you don't live in a vacume. If you notice that a player is really playing well. Better then you expected, its likely that someone else notices as well, and he starts to climb up in the rankings to a point where he's out of reach. This is especially true when that player plays on one of the top teams. They slip sometimes when they play on a mid-level conference team, as Lillard did. Not that slipping to the 7th or 8th spot is much of a slide. But when you go to watch a team, to see Cody Zeller play, it wouldn't take you long to realize that Oladipo was the biggest impact player on that team.
DISAGREE !!
This team needs a facilitator as it's biggest need for both the offense and defense. Yes defense, when the team takes bad shots it hurts the defense.
I think the whole they only played zone in college is hogwash especially for guys coming out after 1 or 2 years. It's not like they only played zone their whole life. He's got the physical tools to play that's what matters.
This team needs a facilitator as it's biggest need for both the offense and defense. Yes defense, when the team takes bad shots it hurts the defense.
I think the whole they only played zone in college is hogwash especially for guys coming out after 1 or 2 years. It's not like they only played zone their whole life. He's got the physical tools to play that's what matters.
1. CLE - Porter
2. ORL - Oladipo
3. WAS - Noel
4. CHA - McLemore
5. PHX - Schroeder/Bennett
6. NO - Len/Burke
7. SAC - ... Who do you take here if, for some reason, both the PGs are off the board? I don't care much for Bennett nor his fit here. Our options are: Len, Gobert, McCollum, Carter-Williams, Karasev, Crabbe, Caldwell-Pope, and Bennett.
2. ORL - Oladipo
3. WAS - Noel
4. CHA - McLemore
5. PHX - Schroeder/Bennett
6. NO - Len/Burke
7. SAC - ... Who do you take here if, for some reason, both the PGs are off the board? I don't care much for Bennett nor his fit here. Our options are: Len, Gobert, McCollum, Carter-Williams, Karasev, Crabbe, Caldwell-Pope, and Bennett.
Some players struggle coming into the NBA out of the college system, some flourish. I'd put MCW in the flourish category, that's why I'm personally not too concerned about some of his struggles in the NCAA.
He will be a full-time NBA employee and will do nothing but improve his shot, which I think he has the potential to do. Otherwise, his playmaking abilities on both ends of the floor are very intriguing.
The hoop...
...and the harm.
He will be a full-time NBA employee and will do nothing but improve his shot, which I think he has the potential to do. Otherwise, his playmaking abilities on both ends of the floor are very intriguing.
The hoop...
...and the harm.
The reason the Spurs are so dammed good, is that they have a core of players, Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, that they continue to put other players around as support players. If the Kings management decides that Cousins and Tyreke is their core, then you dammed well better care who you put with them. The reason this team as struggled in recent years is none of players compliment each other. Its your type of thinking that keeps us on the path to failure.
I watched Carter-Williams play a ton of games this season, and while he looked good on defense, Syracuse plays a zone 100% of the time. There is no one that can watch a player play in a zone 100% of the time that can tell me he's going to be a great defender in the NBA. He could be, but its a guess at best. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Syracuse puts out more failures than successes. If I had to pick the best player on the Syracuse team, it would C.J. Fair, who I think will prove to be a better pro than he was a college player.
I'm not even sure why were talking about a PG. We already have 4 on our team. A team that is dominated by undersized players, and while I grant you that Williams would bring some size to the PG position, so would Tyreke. So what? Williams can't shoot!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe he'll learn, and maybe he won't. Just about everytime he went up agains another good PG that could play defense, he struggled. As the season went on, his assists went down. I'd take Trey Burke 10 times out of 10 over Williams. And personally I'm not interested in Burke, unless he's the best player available at the time. Which is probably open for debate.
I watched Carter-Williams play a ton of games this season, and while he looked good on defense, Syracuse plays a zone 100% of the time. There is no one that can watch a player play in a zone 100% of the time that can tell me he's going to be a great defender in the NBA. He could be, but its a guess at best. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Syracuse puts out more failures than successes. If I had to pick the best player on the Syracuse team, it would C.J. Fair, who I think will prove to be a better pro than he was a college player.
I'm not even sure why were talking about a PG. We already have 4 on our team. A team that is dominated by undersized players, and while I grant you that Williams would bring some size to the PG position, so would Tyreke. So what? Williams can't shoot!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe he'll learn, and maybe he won't. Just about everytime he went up agains another good PG that could play defense, he struggled. As the season went on, his assists went down. I'd take Trey Burke 10 times out of 10 over Williams. And personally I'm not interested in Burke, unless he's the best player available at the time. Which is probably open for debate.
If we could get a decent backup SF who could play defense I'd be happy.
I feel we need two starters we don't have - PG and SF. We should not try to get them in the draft - we need them now. So trade or FA. tough to do but a goal we must shoot for.
My basic belief that you shouldn't get rid of a player until you get a better one has to be set aside in my view. First step is to get rid of Fredette, Thornton and Johnson - I believe our team chemistry can't handle them getting minutes this coming season, no matter what.
Now all I need is someone to work this out for me.
I feel we need two starters we don't have - PG and SF. We should not try to get them in the draft - we need them now. So trade or FA. tough to do but a goal we must shoot for.
My basic belief that you shouldn't get rid of a player until you get a better one has to be set aside in my view. First step is to get rid of Fredette, Thornton and Johnson - I believe our team chemistry can't handle them getting minutes this coming season, no matter what.
Now all I need is someone to work this out for me.
Well, Johnson is a free agent so he's gone. Thornton hopefully has some trade value because I think he's next to leave the team, especially when you consider that Monty Williams supposedly benched him for defensive lapses and Mike Malone was the guy charged with creating the defensive culture with New Orleans at that time. I don't think Jimmer has much trade value but if you CAN get something for him then I'm okay with the move. His defensive and ballhandling deficiencies limit his effectiveness to a large extent and I haven't seen much improvement in either area. Still as a low cost shooter off the bench he's not exactly hurting the team with his presence.
As for team holes, I actually see three. To me Jason Thompson and Isaiah Thomas are best suited to be bench players. JT as a versatile 3rd big and IT as a change of pace scoring guard. Ideally then the Kings would add a starting SF, a big (either PF or C) to pair with Cousins and a guard (either SG or PG) to compliment Tyreke. The only day 1 starter at SF that I see in this draft is Otto Porter. I like Karasev but he's going to need some time to develop his body and his game. There are a number of guards that might fit next to Tyreke but with bigs I think it's more of a projection game as all of them will need significant seasoning/time before they are ready for prime time. Even Nerlens Noel, who for some reason is the consensus #1 pick has a lot of flaws in his game, and that's without even considering that he's coming off a torn ACL.
All that said, I disagree that we can't get a starter from this draft. Maybe not a day 1 starter, but there's certainly talent to fill holes on this team in the draft. Heck, look at our bay area rivals who pushed the Spurs harder than anybody else in the playoffs has while getting key contributions from THREE rookies (Barnes, Ezeli, Green) as well as the #11 pick (Klay Thompson) in the 2011 draft which, other than Kyrie Irving, was just as weak as this one.
I think we need to sign a starter, draft a starter (and hopefully another contributor) and trade for a starter.
And I think we have he cap room, draft pick and trade materials to do those things.
As for team holes, I actually see three. To me Jason Thompson and Isaiah Thomas are best suited to be bench players. JT as a versatile 3rd big and IT as a change of pace scoring guard. Ideally then the Kings would add a starting SF, a big (either PF or C) to pair with Cousins and a guard (either SG or PG) to compliment Tyreke. The only day 1 starter at SF that I see in this draft is Otto Porter. I like Karasev but he's going to need some time to develop his body and his game. There are a number of guards that might fit next to Tyreke but with bigs I think it's more of a projection game as all of them will need significant seasoning/time before they are ready for prime time. Even Nerlens Noel, who for some reason is the consensus #1 pick has a lot of flaws in his game, and that's without even considering that he's coming off a torn ACL.
All that said, I disagree that we can't get a starter from this draft. Maybe not a day 1 starter, but there's certainly talent to fill holes on this team in the draft. Heck, look at our bay area rivals who pushed the Spurs harder than anybody else in the playoffs has while getting key contributions from THREE rookies (Barnes, Ezeli, Green) as well as the #11 pick (Klay Thompson) in the 2011 draft which, other than Kyrie Irving, was just as weak as this one.
I think we need to sign a starter, draft a starter (and hopefully another contributor) and trade for a starter.
And I think we have he cap room, draft pick and trade materials to do those things.
The Kings took TRob last year because they were worried about JT not signing and wanted someone next to Cuz who was more polished. How did that work out passing on Lillard, Barnes, Drumond?
Finding players that fit is great on a playoff team like the Spurs in the later rounds. You start drafting for need or fits on a bottom dweller at the top of the draft and that's were you stay. Also notice the Spurs trade or sign for most of those players not draft them. They drafted their core.
Take the best player available and if it's MCW you take him.
And were talking about PG because we've needed an upgrade there since Beno was traded. They guys they have now aren't long term solutions.
Finding players that fit is great on a playoff team like the Spurs in the later rounds. You start drafting for need or fits on a bottom dweller at the top of the draft and that's were you stay. Also notice the Spurs trade or sign for most of those players not draft them. They drafted their core.
Take the best player available and if it's MCW you take him.
And were talking about PG because we've needed an upgrade there since Beno was traded. They guys they have now aren't long term solutions.
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