What is up with De'Aaron Fox?
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I care what you think. Agree re the lack of nuance. It was never that difficult to see what the team was trying to do on each possession. We do have a lack of talent and a coaching change on its own is not going to fix that. But it at least removes the low ceiling imposed by Walton's lack of imagination.
He's our franchise player, so we should be dependent on him carrying us. Even for the best teams out there, there aren't going to be very many nights you'll see them win unless their star has a huge game.
But to your point, I do think he's being mis-used a bit. He's a ball dominant PG who's sharing the backcourt with another ball handler. I don't think Fox-Haliburton can work long-term. Fox is pretty much useless without the ball due to his inconsistent 3pt shooting. I also think we have to accept that he may never be a good 3pt shooter. He's still young and has time to improve, but his 3pt shooting and ft numbers inspire no one. He hasn't surpassed 75% ft shooting in any season through 5 years now.
I think Monte needs to decide whether or not Fox is his guy. If he is, then how can you build around him with all the right pieces?
This is why I knew Fox-Luka would've never worked. He's regressed playing next to Haliburton who might be one of the best off-ball PGs in the league.
But to your point, I do think he's being mis-used a bit. He's a ball dominant PG who's sharing the backcourt with another ball handler. I don't think Fox-Haliburton can work long-term. Fox is pretty much useless without the ball due to his inconsistent 3pt shooting. I also think we have to accept that he may never be a good 3pt shooter. He's still young and has time to improve, but his 3pt shooting and ft numbers inspire no one. He hasn't surpassed 75% ft shooting in any season through 5 years now.
I think Monte needs to decide whether or not Fox is his guy. If he is, then how can you build around him with all the right pieces?
This is why I knew Fox-Luka would've never worked. He's regressed playing next to Haliburton who might be one of the best off-ball PGs in the league.
He certainly would have. Dude took the easier path. Contrast that with Hinkie, who traded Jrue when he took over.
In poker terms, Hinkie will bluff, play tight sometimes. loose other times, but mostly aggressive most of the time. McNair is the dude who rarely plays hands and when he does, u know he has a good hand. Over the long term, McNair will maybe win one tourney his entire life while Hinkie will win 4, but is likely to go bankrupt in between the tourney wins. I prefer execs who go big or get fired.
In poker terms, Hinkie will bluff, play tight sometimes. loose other times, but mostly aggressive most of the time. McNair is the dude who rarely plays hands and when he does, u know he has a good hand. Over the long term, McNair will maybe win one tourney his entire life while Hinkie will win 4, but is likely to go bankrupt in between the tourney wins. I prefer execs who go big or get fired.
Yeah, but that's fans. Fox was damaged by Waltons scheme more than anyone. This is why they have to wait. In one game alone under Gentry we saw usage that should balance things out if Fox isn't totally mentally out yet. They are clearly rattling his cage to see how he responds which is a gamble but I believe Fox will find a way. He's not a soft weenie. He's not a heartless alpha either, but a ton of good/great players aren't.
Seriously? He's the fastest ball handler in the league. He's also very difficult to stay in front of one-on-one even when he doesn't have a running start because of his side-to-side agility. He's an instant fast break when we do manage to secure defensive rebounds and he demands double teams or at least the other team's defense needs to game plan to stop him by packing the paint. I get that he's been playing poorly this season and we haven't managed to win with him leading the team even when he was putting up All Star level numbers last season but that doesn't mean he's not elite at anything.
No, Fox was damaged by Monte systematically trading away our better shooters for “defenders” who can’t shoot. Fox’s strengths are getting in the lane and drawing help and then kicking it out.
Beli and Bogi were subpar perimeter defenders but they could shoot and defenders couldn’t sag off them. Now teams can sag off Fox and take away what he does well.
Beli and Bogi were subpar perimeter defenders but they could shoot and defenders couldn’t sag off them. Now teams can sag off Fox and take away what he does well.
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No one damaged him he was never as good as people on here claimed, that half a successful season the Kings had under Joeger was because the veterans were shooting and playing out of their minds impact wise. The moment Shumpert got traded and Bjelica cooled off and the Kings got good old Barnes in here it went to crap (but they just needed more time right?). I've said it before the list of excuses for Fox is beyond endless.
It's hard to build around a average to below average IQ player who does not possess an elite motor nor is a great shooter (its the new ball yawn). If Fox can reach a prime Dragic or Dennis Schroder level I will be surprised.
It's hard to build around a average to below average IQ player who does not possess an elite motor nor is a great shooter (its the new ball yawn). If Fox can reach a prime Dragic or Dennis Schroder level I will be surprised.
See the bolded parts above. That is absolutely not a Fox strength. Dudes first and second instinct is to penetrate and score. The few times he does pass, the teammate is almost always on his left, where his dominant hand is. Fox rarely drives and passes to his right side and he rarely diversifies his passing (it’s almost always a mid level, one handed line drive; no bounce pass, no lobs, no touch, rarely with both hands).
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From Amick’s article:
“The speed that made him so special isn’t there, nor is the poise or execution when it matters most. The leadership questions that already dogged him before this season, it’s safe to say, are only growing louder now. And his blasé’ assessments of it all in media sessions, meanwhile, have been uninspiring in the kind of way that only intensifies the long-standing debate about his makeup.”
https://theathletic.com/2973455/202...nge-may-be-needed/?source=user_shared_article
“The speed that made him so special isn’t there, nor is the poise or execution when it matters most. The leadership questions that already dogged him before this season, it’s safe to say, are only growing louder now. And his blasé’ assessments of it all in media sessions, meanwhile, have been uninspiring in the kind of way that only intensifies the long-standing debate about his makeup.”
https://theathletic.com/2973455/202...nge-may-be-needed/?source=user_shared_article