We've made an offer to Monta?

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macadocious

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Kingsfan23 said:
I think they feel they can mold him into a legitimate top tier lead guard. They might feel his bad traits like chucking at a bad rate can be curtailed, while feeling he might have the capacity to flourish ball in hand like he did in his prime in GSW
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This is how I feel as well. I think they feel that he is not really as has been portrayed and that they think he can play PG and SG and share the ball. I don't know think they are right, but that has to be it.
 
Bricklayer

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macadocious said:
This is how I feel as well. I think they feel that he is not really as has been portrayed and that they think he can play PG and SG and share the ball. I don't know think they are right, but that has to be it.
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Why do people keep on assuming this immediately after we trade away a former ROY to get a PG?
 
Kingsfan23

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macadocious said:
This is how I feel as well. I think they feel that he is not really as has been portrayed and that they think he can play PG and SG and share the ball. I don't know think they are right, but that has to be it.
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You can look at the moves two ways now that a lot of the message board is mad. Management is either a step behind or a step ahead of them. The fact that I am such a homer for this team leads me to believe the latter until I see proof otherwise
 
Kingfanpaul

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Kingsfan23 said:
I think they feel they can mold him into a legitimate top tier lead guard. They might feel his bad traits like chucking at a bad rate can be curtailed, while feeling he might have the capacity to flourish ball in hand like he did in his prime in GSW
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When is the last time a rookie head coach made a 9 year vets bad traits disappear?
 
Kingfanpaul

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Kingsfan23 said:
If Monta were traded to the Spurs and were playing under Pop do you think he'd be taking the same amount of stupid shots and playing with the same amount of discipline that he did in Milwaukee?
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That's a solid point, but do you think the Spurs would even trade for a player like Monta? I guess they probably would, as they had no problem dealing with Stephen Jackson's personality.

edit: but wait....how can you compare a rookie coach to Pop? I'm asking when has a rookie coach ever made such an impact on a 9 yr vet.
 
macadocious

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Kingfanpaul said:
That's a solid point, but do you think the Spurs would even trade for a player like Monta? I guess they probably would, as they had no problem dealing with Stephen Jackson's personality.

edit: but wait....how can you compare a rookie coach to Pop? I'm asking when has a rookie coach ever made such an impact on a 9 yr vet.
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While you have a point, Malone is not your typical rookie coach. he's been a lead assistant for years and he is probably one of if not the most respecter assistant coach in the league prior to getting the HC gig. He was the highest paid assistant in the league last year. He also coached Monta for a year and a half, so he would not be going into the situation blind.

I cannot believe that wen Monta is being discussed Vivek says he's his favorite player, PDA says "yay, he's fast" and Malone says he doesn't want him and the Vivek and PDA just laugh at him and extend an offer sheet.
 
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Kingfanpaul said:
That's a solid point, but do you think the Spurs would even trade for a player like Monta? I guess they probably would, as they had no problem dealing with Stephen Jackson's personality.

edit: but wait....how can you compare a rookie coach to Pop? I'm asking when has a rookie coach ever made such an impact on a 9 yr vet.
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The fact that most would not trade for a player "like Monta", is the only reason we may be able to get him. You have to envision what players can be and not what they are, kind of like drafting a college kid. If Monta was already a great player he wouldn't be in the discussion for Sacramento.

Malone may be a rookie but I can tell from his interviews one of his missions is to establish accountability and defense, the likes of which Monta may or may not have seen before, in my opinion. He strikes me as a coach that isn't going to tolerate Monta doing his own thing away from a team concept. I may be totally wrong though.

My belief is that they think Monta has the raw potential, the physical attributes and the playmaking to get it done as a starting 1, and that they think they can implement a regimented program that will curtail some of his previous weaknesses. But that is just a guess
 
Kingfanpaul

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Kingsfan23 said:
The fact that most would not trade for a player "like Monta", is the only reason we may be able to get him. You have to envision what players can be and not what they are, kind of like drafting a college kid. If Monta was already a great player he wouldn't be in the discussion for Sacramento.

Malone may be a rookie but I can tell from his interviews one of his missions is to establish accountability and defense, the likes of which Monta may or may not have seen before, in my opinion. He strikes me as a coach that isn't going to tolerate Monta doing his own thing away from a team concept. I may be totally wrong though.

My belief is that they think Monta has the raw potential, the physical attributes and the playmaking to get it done as a starting 1, and that they think they can implement a regimented program that will curtail some of his previous weaknesses. But that is just a guess
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I guess I just don't like talking about a players potential after he has already been in the league for 9 years. Usually after that amount of time, you get what you see.

Macadocious, I do agree with you though that if we are after Monta, it's because Malone thinks it can work. I don't believe we would just be going after him because Vivek likes him.....at least i hope that's not the case.
 
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Just to make myself feel better if we sign him, I'll add another + (if you could call it that...)

He was never as bad as he was with Milwaukee. And I don't think you could hand-pick a worse back-court mate in the NBA than Brandon Jennings for him.
 
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As far as his free agency is concerned, I'm surprised that he and Fegan haven't looked at Philadelphia. They're at least $15 million under the cap and have no other SG on the roster other than an aging Jason Richardson who most likely won't be ready for the start of camp. If nothing else, Monta helps you if you're in tank mode since according to this thread, he hurts the team. Plus, they need to get to the minimum cap level at some point and with all the free agents having signed already, Monta is the last one out there who can get you to the $52 million payroll level.
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Philadelphia is probably the absolute last place interested in anything Monta. Hinkie has made absolutely no bones about not being interested in winning any games next and seems like a guy that would ĺoathe the kind of player Ellis is. he's about as advanced stats as they come.
 
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roasthawg said:
Interesting post. I believe there's much more to our Monta interest then Vivek taking a flyer on converting some Warrior fans. I'm expecting Monta to sign with the Hawks at this point... our interest might just be in attempting to acquire a good player at a reduced rate. I'm sure they view Monta as an upgrade over Thornton and Marcus as a tradeable asset as well.
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The converting Warrior fans angle is a long shot but I'm just thinking that Vivek saw how popular the guy was in general and figures that if he had that big a following there then he'd have a following here as well, regardless of if anyone wanted to switch loyalties or not.
 
Spike

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Gosh, sadly, it appears there isn't any room on the roster for Ellis. That's a shame.

 
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Bricklayer

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Jkbiker said:
Great News Everybody! Ain't nothin gonna happen!!

thinking..............

Crappy news Everybody! Ain't nothin gonna happen!!
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I mentioned this when this front office so casually let Tyreke Evans go over a few million dollars -- this is their indoctrination to the realities fo Sacramento Kings free agency. We don't sign free agents unless they have no place else to go. When you let a major talent walk off of our team you are flat screwing up, because we can only get them by being real bad in the draft, or by heavily winning a trade.
 
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Bricklayer said:
I mentioned this when this front office so casually let Tyreke Evans go over a few million dollars -- this is their indoctrination to the realities fo Sacramento Kings free agency. We don't sign free agents unless they have no place else to go. When you let a major talent walk off of our team you are flat screwing up, because we can only get them by being real bad in the draft, or by heavily winning a trade.
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maybe Pete now understands Free Agents comming here are few and far between. You would think he would have spoken with GP and asked about the free agent issue here. gp to Pete "Hey Pete btw you can't get anybody in here unless your trade for them"
 
Hadlowe

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maybe Pete now understands Free Agents comming here are few and far between. You would think he would have spoken with GP and asked about the free agent issue here. gp to Pete "Hey Pete btw you can't get anybody in here unless your trade for them"
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I guess the next question is, who can we get in trade for our extra guard(s) and undersized 4's?
 
Spike

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I don't know that anything really big is left. I do expect smaller moves to balance out the roster, but nothing earth shattering. There's nothing major left on the roster to move, in terms of quality of player. If anything, they might take a flyer on a kid from another team who might benefit from a change of scenery, much like we might be trying to do with Jimmer, but that's really searching for that diamond in the rough.
 
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