Vlade4GM
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Paul is an inch and a quarter taller than Augustin w/o shoes.
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Paul is an inch and a quarter taller than Augustin w/o shoes.
Gary
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that 22/10 game (final game). He looked friggin amazing.. If he played like that all year I would take him in a heart beat.
bajaden
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Funny, I just watched a couple of games I had recorded of Kansas, and in both of them either Chalmers or Rush, or both were the main factors in the game. Arthur didn't exactly play badly, and I was focused on him, but he didn't do anything special either. Kann was more active under the basket than he was.
Sac.1989
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if beno isnt resigned which is likely to happen if we are wanting to keep to our cap plan then im all for augustin and chalmers, i really think they will both end up as good as each other at the end of their times. Free agency is another way we could fill the void, i really think we should take a PF with our 12th pick and sign a vet or so to run the show
Kingster
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I'm skeptical of the Kings lovin Augustin. Theus has said he like big guards. Augustin doesn't fit that bill at all. And then you'd have a LOUSY backcourt in terms of defense. If they pick him, only two of their young players play any D - Garcia and Douby. And Douby may not be around after next year. Signing Augustin just adds to the softness of their future core.The only reason I see them picking Augustin is out of desperation, because they don't have confidence in signing Beno, and because they might be less than mediocre next season.
Jerichoholic
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Then I would hope that Paul is only an inch and a quarter taller than Augustin with shoes as well, but I haven't been to Footlocker lately so I have no idea what lifts they put in those things.
Anyway the height is a definite issue and one that worries me a lot. Augustin was a below average defender in college, in the NBA with his height expect him to be much worse, maybe worse than Bibby. Also, while Augustin is much quicker than Bibby and Beno he is certainly no Steve Nash or Tony Parker, in other words it's not good enough to make up for his lack of height.
I'm still hoping for a trade down here but knowing Petrie I'm not holding my breath.
hammystyle
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My main problem with Augustin is that I've seen him play and I'm unimpressed. I mostly watched him play his Freshman year with Durant and I thought his decision making and control of the game were poor. I watched a lot of Lawson and Conley that year too, and in my mind he was a distant 3rd in the Frosh PG ratings. If he were 6 2" and being looked at in the 10-12 range I'd still think he's overrated. I'd take Chalmers over him in a heart beat.
That said, that's probly over the course of 6-7 games. His stats are pretty good.
I think he's actually the guy we're close to who I like the least, but I won't freak out if we draft him.
That said, that's probly over the course of 6-7 games. His stats are pretty good.
I think he's actually the guy we're close to who I like the least, but I won't freak out if we draft him.
Dime Dropper
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You watched him the previous year to this one? Thankfully (by what you're saying) I didn't see him any of that year. I did, however, see alot of him this year. Most of his games. And he impressed me alot. The only game he didn't was against Memphis, which has been publicised here at KF out of proportion.
He was very good this year. Very good passer and ball handler. Good shooter. He's very quick and has nice athleticism (am I watching the same guy as you who say he's not athletic?
), and he has a great change of speed. He has a lovely range of floaters and teardrops in the lane.Personally I'd love if we got him. He'll probably never be a superstar, but he could be an important piece to a challenging team. At least IMO. Anyway, you can't expect it to get a star out of the 12th spot (although some guys have that potential eg. Randolph), and I think Augustin is unlikely to be a bust simply because of his skill level and understanding of the game.
bajaden
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I think that Augustin is a risk. Its a matter of how much of a risk at this pt, and how good eventually, he will be. I doubt that he will ever be a star or an impact player. I think, best case, he will be a starting pt guard, but never great. Worst case, he will be a nice player off the bench as a backup pt guard. On the other hand, there are some bigs that have a much higher ceiling. But they also have a much higher risk.
Most of the depth is at the center and PF position. Your chances of getting a very good player is at those positions. So why take a gamble on a pt guard. Frankly, I think the Kings are throwing up a smoke screen about Augustin.
Most of the depth is at the center and PF position. Your chances of getting a very good player is at those positions. So why take a gamble on a pt guard. Frankly, I think the Kings are throwing up a smoke screen about Augustin.
Vlade4GM
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Based on history, it isn't.
Bricklayer
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Its not, but this is a VERY unusual draft in that regard at least -- there look to be 6-8 bigs left on the table after #10 that are very intriguing. Not Greg Oden intriguing obviously. But there could be one or more real good players to come out of that group. And really, we should think about that. If we remain bound and determined to scuttle ourselves at every opportunity and refuse to get a high draft pick, this soucl be the best chance we have to nab an impact big picking from down in the late lottery crap positions. Much bust potential of course, but I have a hard time believing that they are ALL going to be busts.
Dime Dropper
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You make a good point. At least one, and possibly more, of the bigs left will be very good. At the same time it's hard to pick exactly the right one. That's why I'd love to have another mid to late 1st rounder so we could get Augustin/Randolph at 12 and then a big man with our other pick.
Knight might also be the best defender in the NBA per pound, which I never expect to hear about Augustin.
I agree that there are legitimate concerns, with Augustin, and with everyone else who is likely to be left by #12. I'm not wild about the idea of Augustin, but let's face it, Udrih has us by the short & curlies, and there's a reasonable chance that some team's going to offer him more than he's worth. (Notoriously cautious) Geoff may feel that he has to draft a PG just to avoid an extended repeat of the beginning of last year. It's all too clear that the current roster and coaching staff, without a real PG, are good for nothing aside from a #4-#7 pick.
Dime Dropper
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Is there something wrong with that? Have we got some phobia against having a shot at the better players? Genuine question, you'd really rather be picking late lottery than at the top? Or have I misunderstood you?
ForlornKing
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I have a bad feeling about this draft....not that we can't come away with a solid player but I just think that Petrie probably is going to pass on a impact player that will be an all star in a few years.
You have sort of misunderstood me. Since Geoff, not I, gets to make the pick, I'm trying to guess what Geoff will do. That's not to say that I necessarily agree with it. More often than not, I don't.
Dime Dropper
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Oh, I see. Well, I do like Augustin and think he'd be a very good pick. But I think it's Geoffs responsibilty to make sure we have a far better pick next year. Anything less and he's not doing his job, simple as. It's not awfully hard to suck. He's just made sure we only half sucked, which sucks even more because we don't get a good pick. He can only be given a free pass so many times before people say "C'mon, we've given you years to steer us in the right direction, and all you've done it increase the speed we're going in the wrong direction".
At least that's how I feel.
bperiod
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OH PLEASE let jerryd Bayless slide to us...
Chad Ford's mock draft 7.1:
The skinny: Sacramento will go nuts with excitement if Bayless is still on the board here. With Beno Udrih expected to sign elsewhere, the Kings need a point guard in the worst way and would be thrilled if Bayless or Augustin were to fall to them. Bayless could go as high as No. 4, but he could also slide this far.
Chad Ford's mock draft 7.1:
The skinny: Sacramento will go nuts with excitement if Bayless is still on the board here. With Beno Udrih expected to sign elsewhere, the Kings need a point guard in the worst way and would be thrilled if Bayless or Augustin were to fall to them. Bayless could go as high as No. 4, but he could also slide this far.
beb0p
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Augustin would be a steal at #12. He is not undersized when you take into account his standing reach and his arm length. He's essentially the same size as Chris Paul and Jordan Farmar. In fact, if you compare the arm length, Augustin has the longest arms of the three.
Like the Bulls' coaching staff once said, they drafted Elton Brand knowing his reach and length is equal to a 6'10 person. The reason why Brand is 6'8 is because he has a short neck.
In fact, I think arm length, the height from shoulders to the ground, and standing reach are much more telling than the height from top of the head to the floor.
But at any rate, I doubt Augustin will last to #12. He's too good.
Like the Bulls' coaching staff once said, they drafted Elton Brand knowing his reach and length is equal to a 6'10 person. The reason why Brand is 6'8 is because he has a short neck.
In fact, I think arm length, the height from shoulders to the ground, and standing reach are much more telling than the height from top of the head to the floor.
But at any rate, I doubt Augustin will last to #12. He's too good.
Jerichoholic
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The thing that bothers me most is the Kings seem compelled to take a PG no matter what. I understand that there are none on the roster right now but you don't reach for a potential average PG just to fill a need if a potential stud is still on the board.
This is why trading down still seems like the best option, there are a lot of question marks in this draft and with two players the chance for success is much higher than with one.
This is why trading down still seems like the best option, there are a lot of question marks in this draft and with two players the chance for success is much higher than with one.
I think it's Geoff's responsibility to actually contribute to the future of the team, not to ensure a better draft pick because there is NO WAY to make that kind of situation come true.
Dime Dropper
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Part of that is to make sure we have a better pick.
He needs to make a decision. It's not a smart move to actually allow the mediocrity to continue. He may be able to allow it to continue, but that doesn't make it smart. It has no benefits. Would you not agree that a better pick leads to a better chance of a better future? Simple question really. And actually I'd disagree that there's no way. There's every way. It's not always easy, but it's his job. Plenty of other GMs have done it. Plenty.
Kingfanpaul
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His standing reach and arm length don't mean jack when he has a SG guard him and towers over him. He won't be able to shoot.
dime dropper - Sorry, but you and I are diametrically opposed on this issue. You're speaking one point of view; mine is the polar opposite. And interestingly enough, neither of our opinions really matter. The Maloofs have a say, and their say is not going to be to bring the team further down before rebuilding, at least not intentionally. It's not going to happen. And that's not speculation. That's based on a lot of reliable information.
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Upon re-reading, are you talking about attempting to trade up this year? If so, I truly believe there have been discussions but that doesn't mean we'll be successful. Once again, we don't have a lot of legitimate bargain chips
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Upon re-reading, are you talking about attempting to trade up this year? If so, I truly believe there have been discussions but that doesn't mean we'll be successful. Once again, we don't have a lot of legitimate bargain chips
Dime Dropper
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Don't be sorry, everyone has different opinions.
Our opinions don't necessarily matter, but it's still fun to discuss them. I certainly didn't come here to have an argument. If that is the Maloofs intentions, I feel they are prolonging the rebuild (if you can call it that at this stage) unnecessarily. Things will get done alot quicker if we get higher picks sooner. Not saying it's easy, but it can be done. It's been done enough times and the majority of the time it leads to something good. Eventually it will happen. This beaten horse will not stumble eternally, eventually it will fall. I just think we should nudge it over instead of prolonging it.
Trading up is an option, although a difficult one for the reasons you mentioned. Also, you can never trade for the Roses or the Beasleys. You have to get the pick. Thats another reason why I feel all of the above.
beb0p
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If teams use the SG to check Augustin and leaves KMart against the PG. I'll take those matchup any day and twice on Sunday.
JerN820
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That would be a nice problem to have if we get to that point. But I agree. I would hope that we wouldnt take Augustin over Bayless!
Sluggah
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this is probably the most depressing post in ages.
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