We need to trade Cousins, but have to wait for his value to improve...
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Does anyone have any idea for solid vets that are available via trade that would be a stabilizing presence for the team?
My quick review of some of the teams at the bottom of the standings brings up some interesting players, but I'm completely speculating as to their availability. What would you guys think of acquiring: (1) Marcin Gortat - (maybe for a Marcus Thornton trade? Salaries appear to be close); (2) Chris Kaman; (3) Anderson Varejao; (4) Glen Davis; (5) Nene? These are solid guys that can come in and play a role, in my opinion.
My quick review of some of the teams at the bottom of the standings brings up some interesting players, but I'm completely speculating as to their availability. What would you guys think of acquiring: (1) Marcin Gortat - (maybe for a Marcus Thornton trade? Salaries appear to be close); (2) Chris Kaman; (3) Anderson Varejao; (4) Glen Davis; (5) Nene? These are solid guys that can come in and play a role, in my opinion.
Gortat had an interview recently where he said he lost his passion for the game or something similar, the other 4 have been taking turns being injured. I like them as players and they would certainly be helpful when healthy. I think the Kings could get Milsap and Javale, they seem like extra pieces on their teams right now and might not cost us Tyreke or Cousins either.
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/gortat-admits-his-hunger-faded/
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/gortat-admits-his-hunger-faded/
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I for one am not in favor of trading Cousins. He is just too much of a talent to give-up. But knowing Petrie guides the Maloofs/organization, stupid things can happen.
Let's say stupid thing thus happen or Cousins himself demanded to be traded. Would you be interested or will it be okay for you if we go for this trade:
Cousins and IT plus filler (Salmons or Hayes or whoever to match the salaries)
for
Drummond and Austin Daye plus Prince
We get another big man project with lots of defensive potential, a 6' 11" small forward, both of which MAY BE considered untapped talent. Plus a bonus proven veteran defensive SF in Tayshun Prince.
I think Detroit will be salivating with this offer for them to have a bad boy on their roster.
What do you guys think?
Let's say stupid thing thus happen or Cousins himself demanded to be traded. Would you be interested or will it be okay for you if we go for this trade:
Cousins and IT plus filler (Salmons or Hayes or whoever to match the salaries)
for
Drummond and Austin Daye plus Prince
We get another big man project with lots of defensive potential, a 6' 11" small forward, both of which MAY BE considered untapped talent. Plus a bonus proven veteran defensive SF in Tayshun Prince.
I think Detroit will be salivating with this offer for them to have a bad boy on their roster.
What do you guys think?
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The vultures are circling. Unfortunately what fans don't realize is that when they are circling its because they think you are roadkill and they are coming by to pick out the choice parts of your corpse.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225274/Sources_Celtics_Pistons_Extremely_Interested_In_Cousins
P.s. the irony here is that there is no reason, absolutely no reason at all beyonjd our own stupidity, that Andrew Drummond shouldn't ALREADY be here, NEXT to Cousins. INstead we have a #5 pick we are now DNP-CDing.
One deal I'm considering in my head -
Cousins, Salmons, and Outlaw to Boston for Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Fab Melo, Jared Sullinger + picks.
That's the only way I'm allowing Boston to get Cousins from us if they want to keep Rondo. Give us all your young talent, take our bad salaries, and give us draft picks. I would then obviously work on something involving our guards, because my plan would be to start Evans and Bradley, which means ideally two of Jimmer, IT, Brooks, and MT will need to go. Why would I do this? Well, In a perfect world I wouldn't. I'm assuming we ARE dealing Cousins here, with a team that obviously wants him.
I want to get rid of Salmons and Outlaw. This is where we would need to take back Jeff Green. He's underperformed this season, but I think he's better than his numbers. I think he'd be better in Sacramento with a starting job and 30mpg. As a 20-25 minutes guy in Boston, on a team that needs bench SCORING ... he's not going to get that job done. That's not him. I think he can do some nice things though. He has good size for a 3. His shot is ok. He can play some defense. He's still young enough to get better.
I'm also a massive believer in Avery Bradley on the defensive side of the ball. I think he's the best perimeter defender in the league. And as I've said before, give me Bradley and Evans on defense against another teams guards any day. He can shoot the 3, he can play on or off the ball with Evans. I think that backcourt could work.
Melo is a project in the JaVale McGee / DeAndre Jordan role. I think he can be a player. Sullinger is kind of a known commodity. He'll be a solid big as long as he is healthy.
Long term you hope Evans is the guy Evans can be. You start him with Bradley for the next 8 years, You make Green the 'do a little bit of everything' SF. Robinson or Sullinger emerge as the starting 'scoring PF', Melo lives up to his potential ... and you have a Good starting unit, who could potentially destroy teams on the defensive end.
That is clearly the dream scenario in this deal. It could obviously blow up in our faces. Life of a Kings fan.
Cousins, Salmons, and Outlaw to Boston for Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, Fab Melo, Jared Sullinger + picks.
That's the only way I'm allowing Boston to get Cousins from us if they want to keep Rondo. Give us all your young talent, take our bad salaries, and give us draft picks. I would then obviously work on something involving our guards, because my plan would be to start Evans and Bradley, which means ideally two of Jimmer, IT, Brooks, and MT will need to go. Why would I do this? Well, In a perfect world I wouldn't. I'm assuming we ARE dealing Cousins here, with a team that obviously wants him.
I want to get rid of Salmons and Outlaw. This is where we would need to take back Jeff Green. He's underperformed this season, but I think he's better than his numbers. I think he'd be better in Sacramento with a starting job and 30mpg. As a 20-25 minutes guy in Boston, on a team that needs bench SCORING ... he's not going to get that job done. That's not him. I think he can do some nice things though. He has good size for a 3. His shot is ok. He can play some defense. He's still young enough to get better.
I'm also a massive believer in Avery Bradley on the defensive side of the ball. I think he's the best perimeter defender in the league. And as I've said before, give me Bradley and Evans on defense against another teams guards any day. He can shoot the 3, he can play on or off the ball with Evans. I think that backcourt could work.
Melo is a project in the JaVale McGee / DeAndre Jordan role. I think he can be a player. Sullinger is kind of a known commodity. He'll be a solid big as long as he is healthy.
Long term you hope Evans is the guy Evans can be. You start him with Bradley for the next 8 years, You make Green the 'do a little bit of everything' SF. Robinson or Sullinger emerge as the starting 'scoring PF', Melo lives up to his potential ... and you have a Good starting unit, who could potentially destroy teams on the defensive end.
That is clearly the dream scenario in this deal. It could obviously blow up in our faces. Life of a Kings fan.
I listened to an interview with Sam Amick. Apparently he ran into Cuz in Wal-Mart after he was suspended. He wouldn't really go into what they discussed in detail, but he implied that Cuz has some problems off the court that are affecting his on court results, and behavior. I also got the impression from him that it might have been the Maloofs that reinstated Cuz, and that the Maloofs have no interest in trading Cousins. But that Petire is on board with trading Cousins. Apparently both Detriot and Boston have shown interest in Cousins. Here's an ESPN article via Sactown Royalty referencing some of this.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/12/29/3814298/demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors-kings-maloofs
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/12/29/3814298/demarcus-cousins-trade-rumors-kings-maloofs
We could probably swing this deal without the picks from Boston. I would still consider the deal though, especially if we decide we want to move on from Cousins. Sullinger has done well in his back-up role and the thought of Bradley-Reke back-court defensively is really exciting. I don't think Bradley is done developing as an offensive player either and can be a consistent 12-14 PPG guy in the future.
I'm sorry, that is just stupid. In the classic sense of the term. It is the absolute classic steal the star for a bunch of spare parts deal that keeps top franchises on top, and keeps bottom franchises on the bottom. Avery Bradley. Jared Sulinger. Yeah, cool. Maybe we can get Jeff Hornacek and Tim Perry out of it instead. Or Aaron Afflalo and Al Harrington.
Garbage.
There is a reason why the 2nd winningest team in NBA history wants to steal OUR kids, and would cheerfully do so at the expense of its own.
I suppose I should feel lukcy at this point that Geoff Petrie wants to ravage our future to save his legacy by tryign to trade Cousins for some solid vets that will let him retire with a nice little .500 team, rather than trading him for a bunch of late round draft picks so we can acquire a new stack of Omri Casspis to anchor our rebuild.
Garbage.
There is a reason why the 2nd winningest team in NBA history wants to steal OUR kids, and would cheerfully do so at the expense of its own.
I suppose I should feel lukcy at this point that Geoff Petrie wants to ravage our future to save his legacy by tryign to trade Cousins for some solid vets that will let him retire with a nice little .500 team, rather than trading him for a bunch of late round draft picks so we can acquire a new stack of Omri Casspis to anchor our rebuild.
This isn't entirely fair. It doesn't matter where the players were taken if they are good. Avery Bradley is much better than a late round draft pick. Sullinger was a top 10 pick for most of his college career. Fab Melo would have went higher if he wasn't suspended during his last year in college, and Jeff Green is a better value / better everything than using two roster spots on Outlaw and Salmons.
On the flip side, it doesn't matter that Thomas Robinson was a top five pick if he can't play. Same goes for Thabeet and the countless other busts in the top end of the draft. Once you get into the NBA it just doesn't matter.
I'm assuming you were half joking about the 'veterans' move. I couldn't think of a worse get for Cousins, unless those 'veterans' are All-Stars, and they won't be. 41-41 gets you nothing in this league. I'd take this deal with Boston over an Afflalo / Harrington deal every time. Am I jaded? possibly. I've watched just about every NBA game Bradley and Sullinger have played, along with every one of Green's games since he's been in town.
Of course, every team would want to steal Cousins, I just don't think this is a steal. Not with who DeMarcus Cousins is right now. Cousins is talented, we all know this. He has is off the court stuff that I'm personally tired of talking about so I won't mention it further, but he has some glaring weaknesses in his game. He is an awful defender. Awful might not be strong enough. He also has a terrible FG%. Those are two things that as a center on a playoff team he's going to need to figure out. We are on year 3 with him, and those are two parts of his game that have been worse this year then they have ever been. His game ON the court is regressing, and his issues off the court are progressing. He isn't a sure thing anymore.
For the record, I would hold onto him. I wouldn't do the deal unless I'm hell bent on trading him, and I would think it is a fair return considering the circumstances (those circumstances being that we decide we ARE trading him / he ask's to be traded, which isn't that unlikely). Our issue right now is that we lack leadership from the ownership down. Does anyone have any confidence in this franchise? Does anyone think these guys will lead Cousins to his reaching his full potential? I don't. And I'm not sure Cousins can get there on his own.
Guys like Sullinger / Bradley / anyone else who's not DeMarcus Cousins - they can get their **** figured out without any help from the coach / front office / ownership. Cousins needs to be molded by the right people ... people we don't have right now.
On the flip side, it doesn't matter that Thomas Robinson was a top five pick if he can't play. Same goes for Thabeet and the countless other busts in the top end of the draft. Once you get into the NBA it just doesn't matter.
I'm assuming you were half joking about the 'veterans' move. I couldn't think of a worse get for Cousins, unless those 'veterans' are All-Stars, and they won't be. 41-41 gets you nothing in this league. I'd take this deal with Boston over an Afflalo / Harrington deal every time. Am I jaded? possibly. I've watched just about every NBA game Bradley and Sullinger have played, along with every one of Green's games since he's been in town.
Of course, every team would want to steal Cousins, I just don't think this is a steal. Not with who DeMarcus Cousins is right now. Cousins is talented, we all know this. He has is off the court stuff that I'm personally tired of talking about so I won't mention it further, but he has some glaring weaknesses in his game. He is an awful defender. Awful might not be strong enough. He also has a terrible FG%. Those are two things that as a center on a playoff team he's going to need to figure out. We are on year 3 with him, and those are two parts of his game that have been worse this year then they have ever been. His game ON the court is regressing, and his issues off the court are progressing. He isn't a sure thing anymore.
For the record, I would hold onto him. I wouldn't do the deal unless I'm hell bent on trading him, and I would think it is a fair return considering the circumstances (those circumstances being that we decide we ARE trading him / he ask's to be traded, which isn't that unlikely). Our issue right now is that we lack leadership from the ownership down. Does anyone have any confidence in this franchise? Does anyone think these guys will lead Cousins to his reaching his full potential? I don't. And I'm not sure Cousins can get there on his own.
Guys like Sullinger / Bradley / anyone else who's not DeMarcus Cousins - they can get their **** figured out without any help from the coach / front office / ownership. Cousins needs to be molded by the right people ... people we don't have right now.
How about:
Cousins and TRob
for
Drummond and Monroe
Straight-up swap. We'll get bigger and Detroit gets tougher.
Petrie gets his typical finesse SOFTIE center and maybe Petrie gets happy enough to do better with filling the rest of the roster with fitting pieces. Then let's just hope and pray Monroe becomes the equivalent of Duncan and Drummond becomes the equivalent of Dwight Howard in the future. Nice pieces for Petrie to messed-up in trades again......lol
Wait, I think we are slowly becoming the Clippers of the past!...lol
Cousins and TRob
for
Drummond and Monroe
Straight-up swap. We'll get bigger and Detroit gets tougher.
Petrie gets his typical finesse SOFTIE center and maybe Petrie gets happy enough to do better with filling the rest of the roster with fitting pieces. Then let's just hope and pray Monroe becomes the equivalent of Duncan and Drummond becomes the equivalent of Dwight Howard in the future. Nice pieces for Petrie to messed-up in trades again......lol
Wait, I think we are slowly becoming the Clippers of the past!...lol
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It's so funny that people are now actually considering the possibility of trading Cousins, when a month or so ago, people thought I was batshiz insane.
The thing that needs to be remembered though, is while I was advocating getting rid of Cousins, I was adamant about not letting him go in a firesale. I'd much rather be stuck with him, than give him away at 75 percent of his true value. F that noise. We need to keep him for now, wait for a lot of this bullcrap to blow over, and then dump his arse when most of the GM's around the league have forgotten just how much of a malcontent he is.
WE CANNOT TRADE CUZ FOR PEANUTS!
The thing that needs to be remembered though, is while I was advocating getting rid of Cousins, I was adamant about not letting him go in a firesale. I'd much rather be stuck with him, than give him away at 75 percent of his true value. F that noise. We need to keep him for now, wait for a lot of this bullcrap to blow over, and then dump his arse when most of the GM's around the league have forgotten just how much of a malcontent he is.
WE CANNOT TRADE CUZ FOR PEANUTS!
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Ummmm, no. The reason trading Cousins is being discussed is because the team believes that he's never going to get over the maturity issue. He also shoots 41% and plays terrible defense. MassKingsFan summed it up extremely well in his above post. The team is starting to think that he's NOT ever going to be the for sure All-Star that he looked like he was going to be after his rookie year.
