We need to trade Cousins, but have to wait for his value to improve...
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Well, as long as it's at least half a rumor, why not look at the teams involved and see what they have to offer? I'll start with the Celtics and make the other teams different posts, or they'd be too long.
Boston: Rondo. That's really about it. Garnett and Pierce don't enter into the discussion because however good they are, they're old. If we were competing for a championship this year, that's one thing, but trading for Garnett or Pierce would be just throwing Cousins away. Some around here have a crush on Avery Bradley, but I haven't figured that out. Sullinger is a skill guy, but undersized and don't forget the medical red flags that sunk him in the draft. Fab Melo is in the D-League right now (doing well, I hear) and has always been seen as a bit of a malcontent (though so is Rondo, to be fair).
So we would have to build a package around Rondo, or it's a no-go. Of course, Rondo would make most of our backcourt completely superfluous - he's not a great fit straight up. That means we would probably have to send Brooks to clear space. Cisco goes for money purposes. We fill it out by bringing back Sullinger, and we probably demand a first-round pick, which isn't really going to be that high anyway.
Cousins/Brooks/Garcia for Rondo/Sullinger/1st - that's kind of what makes sense talent-wise. But it doesn't really address our issues at the SF, leaves us stacked in the backcourt, and weakens our frontcourt. We still have at least a ten-man rotation.
Kings:
Rondo/IT/Jimmer
Tyreke/MT
Salmons/Johnson/Outlaw/Honeycutt (Tyreke)
Sullinger/Robinson (Johnson/Outlaw)
Thompson/Hayes
The Celtics remain weak in their deep bench, but they're pretty stacked in their top rotation guys, and they pick up a future star at the C (though they'll play him beside "C" Garnett for the time being).
Celtics:
Brooks/Bradley/Barbosa
Terry/Lee/Garcia
Pierce/Green/Joseph
Cousins/Bass/Wilcox
Garnett/Collins/Melo/Milicic
Celtics win this one big time, in my opinion, but it would hard for us to ask for (and hard for us to receive) much better.
Boston: Rondo. That's really about it. Garnett and Pierce don't enter into the discussion because however good they are, they're old. If we were competing for a championship this year, that's one thing, but trading for Garnett or Pierce would be just throwing Cousins away. Some around here have a crush on Avery Bradley, but I haven't figured that out. Sullinger is a skill guy, but undersized and don't forget the medical red flags that sunk him in the draft. Fab Melo is in the D-League right now (doing well, I hear) and has always been seen as a bit of a malcontent (though so is Rondo, to be fair).
So we would have to build a package around Rondo, or it's a no-go. Of course, Rondo would make most of our backcourt completely superfluous - he's not a great fit straight up. That means we would probably have to send Brooks to clear space. Cisco goes for money purposes. We fill it out by bringing back Sullinger, and we probably demand a first-round pick, which isn't really going to be that high anyway.
Cousins/Brooks/Garcia for Rondo/Sullinger/1st - that's kind of what makes sense talent-wise. But it doesn't really address our issues at the SF, leaves us stacked in the backcourt, and weakens our frontcourt. We still have at least a ten-man rotation.
Kings:
Rondo/IT/Jimmer
Tyreke/MT
Salmons/Johnson/Outlaw/Honeycutt (Tyreke)
Sullinger/Robinson (Johnson/Outlaw)
Thompson/Hayes
The Celtics remain weak in their deep bench, but they're pretty stacked in their top rotation guys, and they pick up a future star at the C (though they'll play him beside "C" Garnett for the time being).
Celtics:
Brooks/Bradley/Barbosa
Terry/Lee/Garcia
Pierce/Green/Joseph
Cousins/Bass/Wilcox
Garnett/Collins/Melo/Milicic
Celtics win this one big time, in my opinion, but it would hard for us to ask for (and hard for us to receive) much better.
Dallas: Mayo, or nothing. No, seriously. They're not going to trade Nowitzki, and at his age it would be franchise suicide to trade for him. Marion is also far too old to fit our criteria. Collison is a decent player, but nothing more than a throw-in for a Cousins trade. And they really don't have anything else to offer. They don't even have a pick to offer because their first rounder is out there to Houston with protection on it until 2017.
Can we even build a package worth mentioning around Mayo/Collison, the only two Dallas assets? Considering our backcourt is already full, how do we do that? Literally the only thing I can see looks like Cousins/Brooks/Garcia for Mayo/Collison/Kaman.
Again, this does less than zero for our small forward problem (in fact it practically forces us into small ball at the 3), and here we don't even get a guy as talented as Rondo in return. The results are ugly. Furthermore, all three of these guys are free agents at the end of the year (Collison restricted, Mayo player option) so we could literally walk away with nothing.
Kings:
IT/Collison/Jimmer
Mayo/Thornton
Tyreke/Salmons/Johnson/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson
Kaman/Hayes
Again, the Mavericks get a potential franchise-level talent for next-to-nothing. This trade is such a no-brainer for the Mavs there's not even any sense in looking at their potential roster. They destroy our souls in this trade.
Can we even build a package worth mentioning around Mayo/Collison, the only two Dallas assets? Considering our backcourt is already full, how do we do that? Literally the only thing I can see looks like Cousins/Brooks/Garcia for Mayo/Collison/Kaman.
Again, this does less than zero for our small forward problem (in fact it practically forces us into small ball at the 3), and here we don't even get a guy as talented as Rondo in return. The results are ugly. Furthermore, all three of these guys are free agents at the end of the year (Collison restricted, Mayo player option) so we could literally walk away with nothing.
Kings:
IT/Collison/Jimmer
Mayo/Thornton
Tyreke/Salmons/Johnson/Outlaw/Honeycutt
Thompson/Robinson
Kaman/Hayes
Again, the Mavericks get a potential franchise-level talent for next-to-nothing. This trade is such a no-brainer for the Mavs there's not even any sense in looking at their potential roster. They destroy our souls in this trade.
For the last and final time, IMHO CUZ AIN'T GOIN NOWHERE!
He is on his way to being an all-star under Coach Smart and can take the Kings to the next level. You just gotta be patient. It takes time. Remember CWebb? Couple really volatile years, then All-Star with Kings.
Stick around folks. It's gonna happen here with Cuz.
He is on his way to being an all-star under Coach Smart and can take the Kings to the next level. You just gotta be patient. It takes time. Remember CWebb? Couple really volatile years, then All-Star with Kings.
Stick around folks. It's gonna happen here with Cuz.
Orlando: The Magic are chock-full of young guys and complementary players. I mean, hey, I like Afflalo as a complementary guy, but he's just not on the gee-we-should-trade-Cousins-for-him level, or even close. The problem with Orlando's young guys is that none of them have really shown a whole lot. There's some potential, but nothing certain at all. I'd need to really strip out their cupboards (including at least one first-round pick) to consider a deal with the Magic. Vucevic? Nicholson? Harkless? We get all of them. We've got to take Afflalo just to get some immediate talent. So we try this:
Cousins/Garcia/Outlaw for Afflalo/Vucevic/Nicholson/Harkless/1st
It's a rebuild all over again! We'd again be overstacked in the backcourt, leading to a lineup that shoves Tyreke to the 3, and we'd be super young up front, which means we'd probably have to look to deal MT for a veteran big man ASAP. Doesn't matter. This team doesn't win for a few more years at least, and it's possible none of the kids we trade for really pan out.
IT/Brooks/Jimmer
MT/Afflalo
Tyreke/Salmons/Johnson/Harkless/Honeycutt
Thompson/Nicholson/Robinson
Vucevic/Hayes
Orlando? They get a franchise center. All of a sudden the squat they got in the Howard trade becomes Boogie. They don't even hesitate to pull the trigger. Once again, we lose big time.
Cousins/Garcia/Outlaw for Afflalo/Vucevic/Nicholson/Harkless/1st
It's a rebuild all over again! We'd again be overstacked in the backcourt, leading to a lineup that shoves Tyreke to the 3, and we'd be super young up front, which means we'd probably have to look to deal MT for a veteran big man ASAP. Doesn't matter. This team doesn't win for a few more years at least, and it's possible none of the kids we trade for really pan out.
IT/Brooks/Jimmer
MT/Afflalo
Tyreke/Salmons/Johnson/Harkless/Honeycutt
Thompson/Nicholson/Robinson
Vucevic/Hayes
Orlando? They get a franchise center. All of a sudden the squat they got in the Howard trade becomes Boogie. They don't even hesitate to pull the trigger. Once again, we lose big time.
Charlotte: Maybe the only team that's interesting. And that for one reason and one reason only: MKG. I'm really not sold on Biyombo. He's athletic and he blocks shots, but he's useless on offense, is not as good of a rebounder as you'd expect, and really doesn't seem to play the game of basketball very well. We could solve our SF problem with MKG, though he's far from perfect. Hard player, good work ethic, seems to understand the game, but if our goal is a big SF who can shoot from outside on top of everything else a SF should do, he doesn't really fit the bill that well. Still, it's a starting point. The Bobcats own both the Blazers and Pistons picks (protected), and we'd have to get at least one of those.
I'd guess something like Cousins/Outlaw for MKG/Biyombo/Protected 1st. Again this sets back our rebuild, but it's probably the most attractive package out there. We still need some serious help in the frontcourt, in my opinion.
Kings:
IT/Brooks/Jimmer
Tyreke/MT/Garcia
MKG/Salmons/Johnson/Honeycutt
Biyombo/Robinson (Johnson)
Thompson/Hayes
Charlotte does this because MKG for Cousins is a no-brainer.
So looking through these, Dallas has literally nothing to offer, and Orlando is darn close to nothing. Boston can offer Rondo, Charlotte can offer MKG. I don't think any of them happens unless we are determined to cut ties with Cousins, and I don't think we are. But if one were to happen, from these options Charlotte looks to be the winner to me. Personally, I'd rather see us get a nice package from Detroit, but that's not what the rumor says, and I was addressing the rumor. My take from all of this is that the rumor isn't terribly reliable.
I'd guess something like Cousins/Outlaw for MKG/Biyombo/Protected 1st. Again this sets back our rebuild, but it's probably the most attractive package out there. We still need some serious help in the frontcourt, in my opinion.
Kings:
IT/Brooks/Jimmer
Tyreke/MT/Garcia
MKG/Salmons/Johnson/Honeycutt
Biyombo/Robinson (Johnson)
Thompson/Hayes
Charlotte does this because MKG for Cousins is a no-brainer.
So looking through these, Dallas has literally nothing to offer, and Orlando is darn close to nothing. Boston can offer Rondo, Charlotte can offer MKG. I don't think any of them happens unless we are determined to cut ties with Cousins, and I don't think we are. But if one were to happen, from these options Charlotte looks to be the winner to me. Personally, I'd rather see us get a nice package from Detroit, but that's not what the rumor says, and I was addressing the rumor. My take from all of this is that the rumor isn't terribly reliable.
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Good for those players. It is going to take more stuff like this and less coddling. He needs to get it here because it's going to have to happen if he gets traded. Might as well sink or swim here.
Good for those players. It is going to take more stuff like this and less coddling. He needs to get it here because it's going to have to happen if he gets traded. Might as well sink or swim here.
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Maybe I am mistaken on how I understood MassKingsFan post. But it looks like it is clear he himself would want to hold on to him. He does not advocate trading Cousins just because he is playing poorly right now. He is for trading him if it is finally decided we need to trade him or if Cousins demanded for the trade.
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