We need THIS kind of big..... or do we?

CruzDude

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Gotta love this guy. As Scott Howard-Cooper said in one scenario, lets have brad at center this year, play Love and Hawes a bunch, then in October 2009 let them show us who is the new center and who is the new PF. Love plays below the rim which is NOT what the Kings need. But his passing reminds you of Vlade big time. But on the down side, may be too much a Brad clone.

McGee on the other hand is, as SHC said, an anti-Hawes: athletic, above the rim, shot blocker, rebounder but not much offensive game for a "big". Oh my :confused:
 

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If love is there at 12 there there is no way the kings don't take him, but I think when it is all said and done, Love will be picked in the 5 to 7 range.
 
I don't know how I'd feel about a Hawes/Love front court. On the one hand they would have a chance to be really really special with their passing ability and could revive the Princeton offense here. The downside however is whether or not we could ever hold a team under 120 points with both of them on defense. It would take the right kind of coach, the right kind of offense and a very specialized supporting cast for it work, but I think under perfect circumstances it could work.
 
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No way the kings should draft Love which i doubt he would even be there at 12 because the kings already have two 5's with questionable athleticism, Mcgee would be the much needed shot blocker coming off the bench.
 
On the one hand drafting Kevin Love would be iditioic and would prove once and for all that Geoff is more concerend with resurrecting his old college system than winnign a title in the NBA. No team who cannot defend the middle has ever, or will ever, win an NBA title and we would be turning ourselves into more gimmick than serious threat. It worked in the Webber years preceisely because Chris Webber was such a unique talent. A first rate atheltic PF who could also run the Princeton.

On the other hand drafting Kevin Love makes 100% sense (if he can cut it in the NBA). The reason being that it would finally resolve for us a major major issue -- our identity. It would be the first time since we missed the opportuntiy to define ourselves via Bonzi + Ron's bump and thump that we would have a roster start coming together around a single theme. It would be the rebirth of the Princeton. Love and Hawes int eh future, and if that was where you were going, you probably do keep Brad as well to complete the passing big man picture. Kevin of course the primary beneficiary ala Peja with cut after cut. But Cisco can also play that way. rRn wouold have to be liquidated because he does NOT play that way, and our defense would be horrific. But we would make sense. And not only make sense, but gain the other advantage of making snese -- we would know what we needs to add to try to make it work. Specifically a roleplaying unselfish mega-defender at SF, at elast one defensive PG, and a top shooting/pick and roll PG (in other words Doug, Mike, and Bobby of yesteryear). Then of course as Brad and Mikki phase out, a thuggish backup big (Pollard) to give us some presence. Knowing who you are, having an identity, makes things so much clearer than when you are just a collection of spare parts and different styles.
 
On the one hand drafting Kevin Love would be iditioic and would prove once and for all that Geoff is more concerend with resurrecting his old college system than winnign a title in the NBA. No team who cannot defend the middle has ever, or will ever, win an NBA title and we would be turning ourselves into more gimmick than serious threat. It worked in the Webber years preceisely because Chris Webber was such a unique talent. A first rate atheltic PF who could also run the Princeton.

On the other hand drafting Kevin Love makes 100% sense (if he can cut it in the NBA). The reason being that it would finally resolve for us a major major issue -- our identity. It would be the first time since we missed the opportuntiy to define ourselves via Bonzi + Ron's bump and thump that we would have a roster start coming together around a single theme. It would be the rebirth of the Princeton. Love and Hawes int eh future, and if that was where you were going, you probably do keep Brad as well to complete the passing big man picture. Kevin of course the primary beneficiary ala Peja with cut after cut. But Cisco can also play that way. rRn wouold have to be liquidated because he does NOT play that way, and our defense would be horrific. But we would make sense. And not only make sense, but gain the other advantage of making snese -- we would know what we needs to add to try to make it work. Specifically a roleplaying unselfish mega-defender at SF, at elast one defensive PG, and a top shooting/pick and roll PG (in other words Doug, Mike, and Bobby of yesteryear). Then of course as Brad and Mikki phase out, a thuggish backup big (Pollard) to give us some presence. Knowing who you are, having an identity, makes things so much clearer than when you are just a collection of spare parts and different styles.

No offense bro but the princeton style is done with in sac. It remains to be seen what type of style the kings are looking to run because theus basically got handed the same squad as the year before.
 
No offense bro but the princeton style is done with in sac. It remains to be seen what type of style the kings are looking to run because theus basically got handed the same squad as the year before.


No offense bro but all it takes to resurrect a style, ANY style, is the right personnel. And when your GM is the primary (and perhaps only major) advocate of a system he is obviously in perfect positon to turn the team back toward his own comfort zone. Hawes + Brad+ Love + Kevin cutting = insto Princeton personnel. Theus would rather he did not, and has made that clear, but Theus is a short timer with a 1 yr contract and an option which the team has thus far declined to pick up. His opinion matters only to the degree that the front office decides to work with him.
 
I think Brick has hit the right nail on the head: The Kings need a style, ANY STYLE!! A personality so-to-speak. To do that and get out of the defensive black hole they now orbit, they first have to stop layups and points-in-the-paint.

Don't really have a read on Love's defense and seem to read he is not very quick laterally and definitely does not play above the rim. So, he then falls into the category of a shorter PF. The ones who come to mind play position defense and are very good rebounders and better (and were not afraid of anyone!): Bonzi, Barkley, Brand, etc. However, in the west, you have a bunch of "BIGS" who are big and play above the rim and kill the Kings.

If Hawes can demonstrate the 5 position is his to get and keep and can defend the paint, then a Love works under Mikki for a year and hopefully pushes him to a backup.

That then needs the slashers and drivers, Beno, Cisco, Kevin, Douby (maybe) and... and...., hmmm!! And where does RonRon fit into such a mix? As good as he is, he is not a passer or setup guy. Hmmm????
 
For Kevin Love to drop to #12, he'd have to be discovered running a dog-fighting ring and dating an underaged country singer.

If for some miracle, Love is available without the aforementioned baggage, the Kings have to pick him simply because he's be the best player available and he fills a need. We're in no position to pick and choose; pick the best player and figure out the rest later.
 
Gotta love this guy. As Scott Howard-Cooper said in one scenario, lets have brad at center this year, play Love and Hawes a bunch, then in October 2009 let them show us who is the new center and who is the new PF. Love plays below the rim which is NOT what the Kings need. But his passing reminds you of Vlade big time. But on the down side, may be too much a Brad clone.

McGee on the other hand is, as SHC said, an anti-Hawes: athletic, above the rim, shot blocker, rebounder but not much offensive game for a "big". Oh my :confused:

I pray that Love is not there when the Kings draft. The LAST thing this team needs is an unathletic, below-the-rim big. Love cannot finish in the pros well enough, and he can't defend well enough. Put Love on a team with 4 other athletes, sure he could be a fine player. But that sure doesn't describe the Kings. No. No. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
 
On the one hand drafting Kevin Love would be iditioic and would prove once and for all that Geoff is more concerend with resurrecting his old college system than winnign a title in the NBA. No team who cannot defend the middle has ever, or will ever, win an NBA title and we would be turning ourselves into more gimmick than serious threat. It worked in the Webber years preceisely because Chris Webber was such a unique talent. A first rate atheltic PF who could also run the Princeton.

On the other hand drafting Kevin Love makes 100% sense (if he can cut it in the NBA). The reason being that it would finally resolve for us a major major issue -- our identity. It would be the first time since we missed the opportuntiy to define ourselves via Bonzi + Ron's bump and thump that we would have a roster start coming together around a single theme. It would be the rebirth of the Princeton. Love and Hawes int eh future, and if that was where you were going, you probably do keep Brad as well to complete the passing big man picture. Kevin of course the primary beneficiary ala Peja with cut after cut. But Cisco can also play that way. rRn wouold have to be liquidated because he does NOT play that way, and our defense would be horrific. But we would make sense. And not only make sense, but gain the other advantage of making snese -- we would know what we needs to add to try to make it work. Specifically a roleplaying unselfish mega-defender at SF, at elast one defensive PG, and a top shooting/pick and roll PG (in other words Doug, Mike, and Bobby of yesteryear). Then of course as Brad and Mikki phase out, a thuggish backup big (Pollard) to give us some presence. Knowing who you are, having an identity, makes things so much clearer than when you are just a collection of spare parts and different styles.

I'm all for a rebirth of a passing style, but Love/Hawes also could translate into a defenseless, slow, earth bound frontcourt that would be lucky to block a shot and/or get a rebound in an era where a super-athletic power forward is fast becoming the norm and when having some sort of a presence inside is more necessary than ever. Love/Hawes may have worked in the Shaq era when there was a premium on strength. Not anymore.

I mean, if we're going to have an identity it should at least be a good one.
 
Charles Manson has a well defined identity.
Carrottop has a well identified identity.
Kato Kailin has a well defined identity
Uday Hussein has a well defined identity.

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All im saying is the princeton style was great to watch and successful but eventually did not get it done. Defensive style has proven successful with rings to back it up.
 
All im saying is the princeton style was great to watch and successful but eventually did not get it done. Defensive style has proven successful with rings to back it up.

He was arguing neither for nor against the return of the Princeton. Simply saying if we did draft Love it would be evidence that our GM was trying to resurrect that style.
 
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