Voisin: Kings don't need this guy Artest

[uolj]

I'm not listening to Napear right now either, but the point about Voisin and the irresponsible reporting in her columns is completely valid. Whether an editor adds it in later, or not, the problem still exists and it still exists under her byline.

I obviously think it's an issue when I make a clear mention of it earlier in the thread before even finding out about her column erroneously being the source of the latest Peja-Artest discussion rumors.

 

[Kev.in]

With all this back and forth over whether Artest did/wanted to do this and that and the questioning of how dedicated he is to basketball, I still think that even if it's all true and factually accurate that Ron is still more dedicated to basketball than some of the guys we already have.

 

[ForlornKing]

So I'm guessing that no one atcually HEARD Charles say this?

 

[uolj]

So I'm guessing that no one atcually HEARD Charles say this?

He didn't say it. Somebody at the Bee thought he said it, then posted that on the online version of Voisin's article.

 

[hoops4kings]

Napear has the Bee editor on the air now, and the editor is taking the full blame. The editor said that he got wrong info and added it himself to the AV's column.

Napear says that he's a man for coming on the air and admitting his mistake. The editor is now telling Grant that the info has been circulating everywhere, but Grant is asking where the source is? The Bee editor (Bill Bradley) is saying that this stuff is being discussed but can't name any sources.

Just updating this for anyone who doesn't get sports 1140 here in Sacramento.

 

[foretaz]

now...for those of u that dont particularly care for artest i will share this with u...with regard to the potential false rumor starting....

that supposed rumor is what set ron off this time...or was the final straw...

thats crazy right? rumors happen all the time....

well thats what u get with ron...

ron had sat out a couple games due to injuring his wrist...the pacers came back from their road trip and lost to dallas at home with ron playing...and he reinjured his wrist and it was decided he would sit out and let it get better, as it definitely was affecting his shooting, especially free throws...all his percentages dropped after injuring it in the cleveland thanksgiving game...

so the pacers come out and thrash washington and jackson had a great game...and he had been struggling...hes interviewed and asked what was the difference...jack said with ron, jo and others its tough to get his shots so he was struggling to get a rhythm...with ron out, he was able to get shots and get a rhythm early...

bam...now that in itself isnt the end of the world....but in rons world that was jack saying ron was the reason he had been struggling and with him out he got it going....and the pacers killed washington...

next day...in the indy paper theres a whole article about jackson, his season, his struggles, his great game etc....and again, similar sentiments were mentioned...

then the pacers come out and drill memphis, again without ron...but even before that...ron had already given the interview that set everything off...because the same day the jackson article ran the bee reports of the trade rumor came out...

and at practice, and im not sure if uve been told this, maybe so....the pacers beat writer was waiting on ron to finish practice...as ron was running up and down the court and burying threes he would look over to the pacers beat writer and say "sure would look good in a kings uniform, eh?"

a few minutes later he did the interview where he dropped the bombshell that he wanted traded....

thats ron...thats what u get....his mind works in mysterious ways...and he took the whole thing very personally and it hurt him...nevermind it wasnt true or whatever....but he doesnt shake things off very well....

in his mind, jackson was better off with him out of the lineup, the pacers won with him gone, and now the pacers were talking about trading him to the kings for peja....

a bit crazy, but thats exactly what happened.....

 

[VF21]

Napear has the Bee editor on the air now, and the editor is taking the full blame. The editor said that he got wrong info and added it himself to the AV's column.

Napear says that he's a man for coming on the air and admitting his mistake. The editor is now telling Grant that the info has been circulating everywhere, but Grant is asking where the source is? The Bee editor (Bill Bradley) is saying that this stuff is being discussed but can't name any sources.

Just updating this for anyone who doesn't get sports 1140 here in Sacramento.

That was the whole point I was trying to get across. Once a columnist submits his/her piece, they're finished. Done. It's up to the editor to clean it up, etc. Since the column in question hit the early edition WITHOUT any reference to Barkley, it was clear that it was rewritten after the fact and the only way that happens is if one of the editorial staff does it.

 

[Bricklayer]

Query: how does the Grant thing work when he's supposed to be on the road? Does he do his show remotely from San Antonio or whatnot?

Bizarre turn of events, although of course irrelevant given that this has been everybody's hottest undone deal in the NBA for the past two years. Guy who should be upset would be Sir Charles.

 

[kennadog]

This team is gonna sit in mediocraty forever... And the people and fans in sacramento are to blame... You guys look for morals too much than looking at how a player can help the team on the court.... You don't wan AI... You don't want artest... You prolly won't take rasheed wallace either... Fine just let the kings rought in the siberia of the nba with minimal chance of a new arena, a team on the decline and heading to mediocraty, may continue to live in the disasters of mediocraty for god knows how long... All because your looking at a players personalities which to me really means nothing.... I bet some of you didn't want webber to come here... I bet some of you REALLY didn't want vlade to come here... I bet some of you were against drafting j will... I bet some of you were against having jim jackson or nick anderson on the kings... But your complaing(actually crying) about a top 10 player in the league coming to sac all because you don't want him to go artest on us? Yeah what a way for your franchise to head in the right direction... Aren't u tired of this team being humiliated on nationaly television... Aren't you tired of this team getting manhandled against the elites of the nba... Aren't you tired of announcers just laughing when we are being discussed... No, u rather would have a guy like stojacovic who's gonna be a free agent in the offseason and is gonna give us the boot... Not to mention he is the complete oppsosite of what artest is... And he's probably the complete opposite of the average nba player.... But no, lets just watch this team continue to play without any type of star player or anything even close to that... Were not gonna find us another team stupid enough to trade a star player for a mitch richmond type player again(if that's what your hoping will happen).... Or we could just trade peja for 3 "TRADEABLE" parts... Yeah that always works... Get your priorties straight and stop thinking about yourself before the future of the kings....

Go kings

C'mon. This is like a "the world ends tomorrow" rant.

First, no matter what we, as fans, do or don't want for a player, do you honestly think GP reads what we are saying and says, "By golly, those fans are right, that's the move I should (or shouldn't) make." If we didn't want Webber or J Will or Vlade, we sure didn't have much impact on the decision!

And its not a matter of morals or personality. Artest is a very emotionally disturbed and unstable person. A "personality disorder" is an illness, not a choice. Maybe the right meds or right therapy could help, but it sure hasn't so far (since age 8).

Just because we disagree about Artest also doesn't mean we don't care about the future of the Kings. Personally, I'm insulted by that remark. It's precisely because I am very worried about a new arena, and keeping the Kings and winning, that I really do not want to take a risk with this unbalanced person. This franchise, at this fragile point in relations with the city of Sacramento, may not survive here with even one bad incident with Artest. And you could roll assumed "baggage" players for the Kings like Webber, J Will, J Jackson and Bonzi into one and they couldn't come close to touching the issues with Artest.

Your comments make it sound like Artest is the "second coming" of MJ and if the Kings don't do this they are doomed forever, because there will never, ever be a player as good as Artest. Might we regret not making this trade? Sure. Are we doomed forever? Hardly.

 

[hoops4kings]

Yeah grant is on the road, and his partner is in studio here in Sac.

Grant also just said that Peja is bothered by the trade talk (he spoke with Peja about it).

 

[Bricklayer]

Yeah grant is on the road, and his partner is in studio here in Sac.

Grant also just said that Peja is bothered by the trade talk (he spoke with Peja about it).

The poor sensitive boy.

I am worried about what will happen to Peja if he ever actually has to go out into the hard cold world on his own without Uncle Vlade, Papa Petrie, and Cousin Grant to shield him from all the big meanies.

 

[VF21]

Peja is bothered by the trade talks? That is irony at its very best.

We were bothered - A LOT - when, out of left field, Peja spoke to AILENE VOISIN and announced that he had asked the Kings for a trade.

If this isn't some macabre form of poetic justice, it certainly is the closest thing I've seen in a very long time.

 

[hoops4kings]

Lol!

 

[uolj]

That was the whole point I was trying to get across. Once a columnist submits his/her piece, they're finished. Done. It's up to the editor to clean it up, etc. Since the column in question hit the early edition WITHOUT any reference to Barkley, it was clear that it was rewritten after the fact and the only way that happens is if one of the editorial staff does it.

This is pretty irrelevent in my opinion. The average reader doesn't care whether it is the writer or the editor who added stuff to the column. I don't recognize this problem in Kreidler's articles, or in McNeal's articles.

The issue is still there whether it was Voisin or the editor or somebody in between.

 

[VF21]

Yes, the problem exists but would you like to be blamed for something your supervisor did?

IN THIS INSTANCE it wasn't Voisin, as far as I can tell, that did the deed. So, IN THIS INSTANCE, it wasn't right that she take the blame.

Do I think this whitewashes all her prior acts? Of course not. Yes, the issue of errors of reporting in the Bee is still very valid but I think it's only fair to say that IN THIS INSTANCE Voisin wasn't the evil-doer.

 

[Venom]

There are no malcontents in the league, and possibly in its history that set any kind of precedant for Ron Artest. Thinking that he's going to miraculously become like Bonzi (a man who is intense, but not emotionally damaged or mentally deficient) is wishfull thinking based on desperation. We have no need to be desperate yet.

I think Sheed is a good example actually. Scottie Pippen, of all people, was a notorious malcontent for much of his career. Only Phil and MJ kept him in line at times, and he even stabbed Phil in the back more than once. Similar game to Artest as well. Shoot, similar circumstances. When MJ retired Scottie wanted more shots. When a very important shot went to somebody else, Scottie quit. Pippen recovered, and in time, so will Artest.

I'd love to have Artest, but there are some other guys that I would prefer. Deng, for one. Also, I agree with Charles Barkley, who stated on the Dan Patrick show yesterday that Artest is not a Top 15 guy or maybe not even close. Artest is a VERY driven player, but I think there will be better deals out there for Peja. Deals that make us significantly younger and provide a new face of the franchise. Artest, talented as he is, will never be the spokesman of a team. The Kings need to replace Webber's and Vlade's charisma more than anything right now.

What has been heartening, for me, is that enough of the NBA "experts" are saying that Peja is on the block for me to actually believe it. That means Petrie is acting rationally, and not emotionally, which gives me hope. Kreidler has a very good point; somebody is going to talk himself into thinking that Peja is the missing piece and overpay substantially. It's not out of the realm of possibility that we get a good, young player plus a first. We'd be well on the way to rebuilt contender after that.

 

[Venom]

The poor sensitive boy.

I am worried about what will happen to Peja if he ever actually has to go out into the hard cold world on his own without Uncle Vlade, Papa Petrie, and Cousin Grant to shield him from all the big meanies.

I'm currently reading Halberstam's book about Jordan, and the parallels between Kukoc and Peja are staggering. Basically, Kukoc was coddled his entire childhood because he was such a basketball savant. His coaches were afraid to upset such a talent, and so they never challenged him, just showered him with love. When he got to the States, Krause did everything in his power to shield him from criticism, but MJ, Phil, and Scottie tore him apart. Kukoc would go into days long funks for no apparent reason, then have a 20 point game. He constantly complained about playing time, shots, and his treatment from the staff/teammates/fans.

 

[BawLa]

Go ahead. Take a shot. Trade for Artest.

Become a loser.

Become the Portland Trail Blazers.

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"You read about the old great coaches," noted Petrie, "and a good portion say that once their teams reach the championship-caliber level in terms of talent, it comes down to how their players got along, what the level of sacrifice was, the degree of camaraderie. That's when all that stuff comes into play."

The team that acquires Artest?

Remember the Blazers.

Who needs that?

AV is outta line. Even if Artest came to Sac and went berzerk, he could not turn the Kings into the Blazers. If he blew up, then everyone would realize it was his fault, and we whould ship him out. Much like the Pacers. Watch and see. Once Artest is out, Indy will get back to playin b-ball, and they will be fine. I'll bet they don't become the Blazers.

On the flipside, if we don't take that chance, we have to HOPE that the group we have, whom I love, shoots over 50% every game while the opponent shoots under 40%.

With respect to what Petrie said I have a few responses. It is a good idea to model your NBA campaign after other sucessful people but you also need to make some moves of your own; make your own mark. If you want a championship-caliber team, then you had better start making some moves. Ron is the BEST PLAYER is on the market. Furthermore, it is Adelman's job to get the players to get along. No one has said this yet, but maybe Bonzi could help Ron let go of his past and focus on b-ball. He has been through some similar situations (obviously not the same).

And back to AV...

The team that acquires Artest?

Will instantly be improved. I hope it's us.

 

[AleksandarN]

condescension duly noted....

and im very sorry the facts dont support the image ur trying to portray...

even after the empty apology, u still are distorting the facts...

i give..

difference is i m just about the only person in this so called discussion that doesnt seem to have any vested interest in twisting the facts about him to suit my wishes...

...

pardon me? Do not even go there. You yourself said that you are a big fan of Artest ofcourse you are going to stick up for your player as all player fans do.

 

[kennadog]

If you want a championship-caliber team, then you had better start making some moves. Ron is the BEST PLAYER is on the market.

That isn't saying a whole lot to me. Who else do we know for sure is on the market right now?

 

[uolj]

Yes, the problem exists but would you like to be blamed for something your supervisor did?

IN THIS INSTANCE it wasn't Voisin, as far as I can tell, that did the deed. So, IN THIS INSTANCE, it wasn't right that she take the blame.

Do I think this whitewashes all her prior acts? Of course not. Yes, the issue of errors of reporting in the Bee is still very valid but I think it's only fair to say that IN THIS INSTANCE Voisin wasn't the evil-doer.

Ok, I just didn't realize anybody was blaming her. I guess Grant was, but that was handled by the editor coming on his show. I didn't read all the posts in this thread, so I assumed you were talking to me and I wasn't disagreeing with you.

 

[BigWaxer]

The funny thing is we are not getting Artest as Petrie and the Maloofs already stated. It is going to be someone elses problem... at least its fun to see everyone fired up about it.

Even MARK CUBAN said HELL NO to Artest. This is not going to happen. I honestly don't know if we can get a better talent then Artest for this price but I think after hearing all sides this could hurt us.

 

[Kings113]

The funny thing is we are not getting Artest as Petrie and the Maloofs already stated. It is going to be someone elses problem... at least its fun to see everyone fired up about it.

Even MARK CUBAN said HELL NO to Artest. This is not going to happen. I honestly don't know if we can get a better talent then Artest for this price but I think after hearing all sides this could hurt us.

If not Artest, there's always Deng.

 

[VF21]

Or Kevin Garnett.

 

[kennadog]

The funny thing is we are not getting Artest as Petrie and the Maloofs already stated. It is going to be someone elses problem... at least its fun to see everyone fired up about it.

Even MARK CUBAN said HELL NO to Artest. This is not going to happen. I honestly don't know if we can get a better talent then Artest for this price but I think after hearing all sides this could hurt us.

I read some of your earlier posts where you were back and forth on feelings. I actually have felt that way. I go read stuff about Artest's skills and drive and think, wow. If the Kings were a solid, stable team with a new arena in their pocket and a good relationship with the residents in Sacramento, maybe, just maybe, you take a chance. But folks in Sacto are definitely NOT going to put up with ANY crap from a player right now. Artest pulls something like he has before and that could be the death knell in Sac.

 

[kennadog]

Or Kevin Garnett.

And that's why I asked above how we knew for sure that Artest is the best player on the market?

 

[Bricklayer]

The funny thing is we are not getting Artest as Petrie and the Maloofs already stated. It is going to be someone elses problem... at least its fun to see everyone fired up about it.

Even MARK CUBAN said HELL NO to Artest. This is not going to happen. I honestly don't know if we can get a better talent then Artest for this price but I think after hearing all sides this could hurt us.

Of course it COULD hurt us. Always that possibility.

Or it could make us.

If he lands in either Golden State or Lalaland, those teams are going to have 2-3 players better thsan anyone on our roster. Again. What a tired old story.

 

[BigWaxer]

Thats why I have flip flopped on this issue so much Brick. Talent wise I think everyone agrees this is one of those superstar players, to 10 NBA players that can make or break you.

 

[Kings113]

Of course it COULD hurt us. Always that possibility.

Or it could make us.

If he lands in either Golden State or Lalaland, those teams are going to have 2-3 players better thsan anyone on our roster. Again. What a tired old story.

Can't see him going to Golden State given their contracts and crop of youngsters they want to keep (Diogu/Pietrus/Taft). Nor the Lakers (for who? Devean George and someone?). Clippers? who knows.

 

[SacTownKid]

Peja is bothered by the trade talks? That is irony at its very best.

We were bothered - A LOT - when, out of left field, Peja spoke to AILENE VOISIN and announced that he had asked the Kings for a trade.

If this isn't some macabre form of poetic justice, it certainly is the closest thing I've seen in a very long time.

Amen!!!!!