Unconfirmed Jimmer rumor:

[bajaden]

Hey, the stats I pull up say he's a worse rebounder than Mikki Moore per 48 but whatever float your boat. If you want another Mikki Moore that can block a shot or two then by all means become a Udoh hugger.

Every single one of our front court player is a better rebounder than Udoh. Cousins almost doubles his rate. Hayes having a terrible year is better than Udoh too, and Thompson is much much better.

OK so I probably exaggerated a bit saying he was a "atrocious" defensive rebounder but he is not average unless you call one less rebound than Mikki Moore (when he played with us) decent. So Average? no... Below average? Yes... By quite a bit, because Moore, when with us, was not a good rebounder. Udoh is worse than Moore by more than a rebound a game per 48.

I will say this again, The Kings do NOT need this guy. He's not good enough to get minutes on this team.

Fist off, let me clear, I never said that Udoh was a great rebounder. My desire for him lies in his ability to play defense, something Moore was never accused of. But since you brought up Moore, lets take a look at the difference between the two. First let me remind you and everyone else, that when Moore arrived in sacramento, he was starting his 10th season in the NBA. Udoh just finished his 2nd. So can we assume that Udoh possibly has some room to grow yet, considering he didn't even start playing basketball until he was a junior in highschool. Basicly didn't play at Mich for two years, took a year off due to transfering to Baylor, and then had a breakout season his year at Baylor. I don't just make blanket statements about players. I look at all the circumstances involved, even who his coach was, and the style of play used at his college. Don't think it matters, then ask Derrick Favors about that.

And without going into details, you more than anyone should know that. But lets look at Udoh and Moore's 36 per numbers, which I think are more representive of reality.

Moore in his year with the Kings per 36 minutes averaged 7.5 total rebounds, 5.0 defensive, and 2.4 offensive. He averaged 10.5 PPG, and 0.7 Blocks per game.

Udoh in his 2nd year per 36 minutes averaged 7.1 total rebounds, 4.3 defensive, and 2.8 offensive. He averaged 9.5 PPG, and 2.8 Blocks per game.

Now if your paying attention to the difference in blocked shots, then Moore and Udoh aren't even in the same league. And when you consider that Moore had 9 yr's of NBA experience when he arrived, compared to Udoh just completing his second year, I'd give the edge to Udoh overall since the rest of their numbers are quite similar.

So having said that, if Moore with his 36 per numbers could actually start for us, then I'm sure Udoh could easily sit on the end of the bench for us, in case we need a defensive stop or someone is in foul trouble.

 

[allrightythen]

Read here that the Bucks are interested in Joel Pryzbilla which may make it even more likely that they deal one of their other shot-blockers.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222682/Bucks_Pursuing_Joel_Przybilla_Jodie_Meeks_

It also says they are interested in Jodie Meeks and if they get him they may not be in need of someone like Jimmer. Would be nice to see a shot-blocker type F/C added to the roster. Udoh would be my preference but none of them are exciting.

 

[Bricklayer]

Read here that the Bucks are interested in Joel Pryzbilla which may make it even more likely that they deal one of their other shot-blockers.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222682/Bucks_Pursuing_Joel_Przybilla_Jodie_Meeks_

It also says they are interested in Jodie Meeks and if they get him they may not be in need of someone like Jimmer. Would be nice to see a shot-blocker type F/C added to the roster. Udoh would be my preference but none of them are exciting.

The Bucks situation is one of the reasons I always saw pffft whenever somebody claims that oh, we have just been trying but can't get hold of a shotblocker. No. The Bucks have FOUR of them, and are rumored to be in pursuit of a 5th. they have drafted them in the teens (Sanders, Henson) traded for them (Udoh, Dalmbert) and are now supposedly chasing one in FA. All as a small market team. This is not at all impossible to accomplish. We just choose not to because our GM was a shooting guard and has never been able to shake that mindset.

 

[Gary]

Fist off, let me clear, I never said that Udoh was a great rebounder. My desire for him lies in his ability to play defense, something Moore was never accused of. But since you brought up Moore, lets take a look at the difference between the two. First let me remind you and everyone else, that when Moore arrived in sacramento, he was starting his 10th season in the NBA. Udoh just finished his 2nd. So can we assume that Udoh possibly has some room to grow yet, considering he didn't even start playing basketball until he was a junior in highschool. Basicly didn't play at Mich for two years, took a year off due to transfering to Baylor, and then had a breakout season his year at Baylor. I don't just make blanket statements about players. I look at all the circumstances involved, even who his coach was, and the style of play used at his college. Don't think it matters, then ask Derrick Favors about that.

And without going into details, you more than anyone should know that. But lets look at Udoh and Moore's 36 per numbers, which I think are more representive of reality.

Moore in his year with the Kings per 36 minutes averaged 7.5 total rebounds, 5.0 defensive, and 2.4 offensive. He averaged 10.5 PPG, and 0.7 Blocks per game.

Udoh in his 2nd year per 36 minutes averaged 7.1 total rebounds, 4.3 defensive, and 2.8 offensive. He averaged 9.5 PPG, and 2.8 Blocks per game.

Now if your paying attention to the difference in blocked shots, then Moore and Udoh aren't even in the same league. And when you consider that Moore had 9 yr's of NBA experience when he arrived, compared to Udoh just completing his second year, I'd give the edge to Udoh overall since the rest of their numbers are quite similar.

So having said that, if Moore with his 36 per numbers could actually start for us, then I'm sure Udoh could easily sit on the end of the bench for us, in case we need a defensive stop or someone is in foul trouble.

I NEVER said they were the same player. I said that overall Moore put up better stats than Udoh has so far. I am only concerned with the rebounding numbers because that would be his ticket to getting minutes here I believe. If he's putting up 0's in 20 minute when it comes to rebounds he's quickly going to see his time cut. How many of those missed rebounds go to the opposing team for second chance points? Probably as many as the points he stopped by blocking the shots.

My whole thing is that I don't think he's any good and I don't think he would get time on this team (meaning we have 3 players ahead of him which are probably better). And the other thing is that I like my defensive players rebounding the ball, something he's not good at.

So for me? I would rather have the pick if Jimmer went to Milwaukee rather than Udoh. Nothing personally against Udoh. I don't think he's very good. You do but I do not. I am sure we have pretty much both seen enough of his game to make our own opinions without one of us being wrong to the geeneral consensus (although I still think you are wrong, and you probably believe I am wrong too).

 

[Gary]

here is the thing though Gary. you compare to Mikki Moore who was a starter most of his time here if not the 3rd big. We are talking about a 5th big here not Cousins replacement or anything.

I was just comparing per48s when it comes to rebounding the ball, nothing more. My whole issue was bringing in a defensive guy that can't rebound. I know that specialists have to kind of play a bit away and they are turned from the basket most of the time with their elbows in the back of someone, but the games I saw him play in last year he wasn't even really playing defense up to what I know he was capable of and in the plays where he could get position for rebounding the ball he just didn't.

If there are two things I am enamored with in basketball it's assists and rebounds. You can watch guys in college and know they will be good rebounders in the NBA. Love, Cousins, Milsap and many many others. Even Shelden Williams is a decent rebounder for the minutes he gets. I still like the guy

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The Bucks situation is one of the reasons I always saw pffft whenever somebody claims that oh, we have just been trying but can't get hold of a shotblocker. No. The Bucks have FOUR of them, and are rumored to be in pursuit of a 5th.

You know who has had more blocks/36 in each of the past two seasons than Joel Przybilla? DeMarcus Cousins. Przybilla has played less than 1000 minutes combined in the past two seasons. He's done. Let's not deify him as a great shotblocker, because he's not anymore. Let's not make it sound as if Milwaukee "gets it" for looking at a guy who will be lucky to play 300 minutes between that logjam and that body. In fact, we'd be right to scream bloody murder if the Kings brought in Przybilla and his 16 blocks/year. (Yeah. I said "per year".) We need useful players, not empty philosophical statements.

 

[bajaden]

I NEVER said they were the same player. I said that overall Moore put up better stats than Udoh has so far. I am only concerned with the rebounding numbers because that would be his ticket to getting minutes here I believe. If he's putting up 0's in 20 minute when it comes to rebounds he's quickly going to see his time cut. How many of those missed rebounds go to the opposing team for second chance points? Probably as many as the points he stopped by blocking the shots.

My whole thing is that I don't think he's any good and I don't think he would get time on this team (meaning we have 3 players ahead of him which are probably better). And the other thing is that I like my defensive players rebounding the ball, something he's not good at.

So for me? I would rather have the pick if Jimmer went to Milwaukee rather than Udoh. Nothing personally against Udoh. I don't think he's very good. You do but I do not. I am sure we have pretty much both seen enough of his game to make our own opinions without one of us being wrong to the geeneral consensus (although I still think you are wrong, and you probably believe I am wrong too).

I think I kind of like the idea of your being wrong the best..

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I doubt there's anything happening with the Bucks with this rumor...because it's just that...a rumor. I DO however think Petrie has one more deal in the works before training camp, but have no clue what.

 

[Kingster]

Jimmer for Udoh would be a no-brainer. Udoh would get playing time on this team, imo, when Jimmer will get virtually none. Udoh is not an above average rebounder, but our team already has a lot of rebounding and very little shot blocking talent. So if you're playing a team that isn't killing you on the boards, but is killing you on the interior due to the lack of shot blocking, then you put in Udoh. He's a high character guy, has athleticism, has a work ethic. He should get better.

 

[bajaden]

Jimmer for Udoh would be a no-brainer. Udoh would get playing time on this team, imo, when Jimmer will get virtually none. Udoh is not an above average rebounder, but our team already has a lot of rebounding and very little shot blocking talent. So if you're playing a team that isn't killing you on the boards, but is killing you on the interior due to the lack of shot blocking, then you put in Udoh. He's a high character guy, has athleticism, has a work ethic. He should get better.

I'm always amazed how great minds think alike!

 

[Brandon]

Whats the difference between a unconfirmed rumor and a confirmed rumor? lol

but either way, I don't want to see jimmer leave the team after one year, If he doesn't really do much this year I guess going a different direction would be right, but then obviously the market for him would go way down.

 

[CruzDude]

Whats the difference between a unconfirmed rumor and a confirmed rumor? lol

but either way, I don't want to see jimmer leave the team after one year, If he doesn't really do much this year I guess going a different direction would be right, but then obviously the market for him would go way down.

A confirmed rumor is one in which two or more "reliable sources" agree on the rumor.

An unconfirmed rumor is any rumor from anyone about anything without any "reliable" sources confirming the specifics.

Jimmer has been "rumored" to be moving quite a few times the past year leading up to this unconfirmed rumor from a Milwaukee blog site. Then bajaden found a second source generally agreeing with the rumor but that second source was a complete unknown to he, I and others. So still an "unconfirmed" rumor about Jimmer going to Bucks.

When ESPN and Sam Amick report the same rumor, FOR EXAMPLE, then I consider it to be confirmed. It's still a rumor until facts, figures and agreements are specified and even then until contracts/agreements are signed by both parties, its still a confirmed rumor.