Tyreke Evans will start from Day One
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Er...no real hrose in this but:
'96 Coahie hired
'99 Adelman hired
And in between that '96 team had only one star and not sure if you would call guys like O.P., maybe Tyus Edney, Brian Grant? Corliss etc. great passers. Was Walt still there that year? In any case I wouldn't think you would look at them and go, oh, Princeton must be the answer. I also wouldn't think that replacing that personnel necessarily had anything to do with implementing a Princeton system -- you changed the personnel becaus ethe personnle wasn't very good. That the new personnel turned out to be Princeton ready may or may not have been an accident, but I ratehr doubt there were many other major centers willing to sign with us via free agency or All Star PFs on the trading block. If it had been Tim Duncan and Rik Smits who had been available, I supect we mgith have ended up with them and run much less of a Princeton system ove rhte next few years.
Think all that can be drawn form that period is we weren;t good enough, regardless of what system we were going to use. Tehn summer of '98 came around and Geoff suddenly acquired a barrel of talent (Webb, Valde, JWill, Peja came over), and that crew WAS good enough, if they had the right system. So they implelmented it. I don't really recall much of a system at all being there in the '98 disaster. Coachie was there, Eddie Jordan as a rookie coach. But it was chaos. Then we add personnel, and bvoila, instant iomplementation of a new system (and actually the Princeton was progressively implenented for the next few years -- we were a purer Princeton team by '01 then we had been in '99).
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i say if because we have evans more than likely playing out of position while trying to install an offense that doesnt take advantage of his strengths. actually the princeton magnifies his weaknesses. adding our draft picks doesnt really count as bringing in new players. we go into the season with the same players that couldnt win 20 games last season. short of one of them becoming an all star we will suck again next year.
i dont want to turn this into a rubio/evans debate but if we had drafted rubio that wouldve been a commitment towards changing the way the kings play basketball. we wouldnt be having the discussions that we are having right now about the princeton and who fits in it because rubio is the type of pllayer where we would have no choice but to play his game. thats why he wouldve been drafted. geoff didnt want to take the risk and here we are.
after years of waiting for the offseason where we would have capspace and/or the ability to finally trade thomas for a superstar big man we are again sitting on our collective asses and doing nothing. we havent gotten any better and all signs point to us not getting better anytime soon short of a miracle.
now we have half of the posters here clinging on to the hope that a unathletic combo guard becomes an all star pg so that we dont suck next season or in the not so distant future. we all have a better chance of winning the lottery.
i know that i will get in trouble for saying this but i have to do it... this is just like being in an abusive relationship, we all know that its wrong and that we should just leave and start over but we cant because we love this bull**** that we are in for some idiotic reason. everyone is telling us that we suck and things wont get better by ignoring the obvious but thats what we want. we dont want to give up on the pieces of trash that we have now for the fear that they will go on to do bigger and better things without us and that scares us. screw that. lets take a risk at happiness and do whats best for us.
if anyone is offended, i am sorry but seriously.... this is getting out of hand.
i dont want to turn this into a rubio/evans debate but if we had drafted rubio that wouldve been a commitment towards changing the way the kings play basketball. we wouldnt be having the discussions that we are having right now about the princeton and who fits in it because rubio is the type of pllayer where we would have no choice but to play his game. thats why he wouldve been drafted. geoff didnt want to take the risk and here we are.
after years of waiting for the offseason where we would have capspace and/or the ability to finally trade thomas for a superstar big man we are again sitting on our collective asses and doing nothing. we havent gotten any better and all signs point to us not getting better anytime soon short of a miracle.
now we have half of the posters here clinging on to the hope that a unathletic combo guard becomes an all star pg so that we dont suck next season or in the not so distant future. we all have a better chance of winning the lottery.
i know that i will get in trouble for saying this but i have to do it... this is just like being in an abusive relationship, we all know that its wrong and that we should just leave and start over but we cant because we love this bull**** that we are in for some idiotic reason. everyone is telling us that we suck and things wont get better by ignoring the obvious but thats what we want. we dont want to give up on the pieces of trash that we have now for the fear that they will go on to do bigger and better things without us and that scares us. screw that. lets take a risk at happiness and do whats best for us.
if anyone is offended, i am sorry but seriously.... this is getting out of hand.
That's like the pot calling the kettle black. You do realize that your statements are your opinion, not fact, right? This is a difference of opinion. not a difference of facts. Other people's opinions could end up being a fact in the future, just as much as yours could. Some clearly knowleagble people disagree. Simple as that.
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i know. and im done with talking about the subject. from this point on i wont be posting in any threads regarding evans until the preseason begins or something major happens with our team like a trade or something. i wanted change and we didnt get that. i wanted to see this team be active in improving our team and it didnt happen.... so im done... i'll still read all of the threads but i wont be posting in any evans related threads. its a waste of time.....
i know we all have our own opinions but thats only if we give the players praise. this is like the gerald wallace situation all over again. we pass on a potential all star pg for a pllayer that we have little need for and doesnt fit into the offense that we have on the team. because it doesnt take advantage of any of his strengths.... i hope evans plays well but i just dont see it happening at pg or in a worst cast scenario on this team. he'd be better off on a team like orlando. not that i want to have him traded before i can see what he can really do. okay, thats it. im done, bye....
i know we all have our own opinions but thats only if we give the players praise. this is like the gerald wallace situation all over again. we pass on a potential all star pg for a pllayer that we have little need for and doesnt fit into the offense that we have on the team. because it doesnt take advantage of any of his strengths.... i hope evans plays well but i just dont see it happening at pg or in a worst cast scenario on this team. he'd be better off on a team like orlando. not that i want to have him traded before i can see what he can really do. okay, thats it. im done, bye....
Well, spanish press says today that people from MT are coming to negociate with DKV directives and Ricky's parents... there's still a possibility that he ends up in NBA this year. I guess they'll negociate some kind of Timberwolvs vs DKV matches to cover the payoff. I don't know how it will end up but...the point is no team in Europe wants to pay the 5mill payoff for having Rubio only a year or two, and DKV needs money right now.
This is probably one of those areas where we fans can speculate endlessly without ever reaching a conclusive answer. I think it looks like he planned for a Princeton-based team, then carried out the plan - this is the simplest explanation which fits the facts, from my POV - but I have no way of being 100% sure of Geoff's intent, let alone of proving it to others. So... maybe!
How does adding draft picks not count as bringing in new players? They weren't on the team last year were they?
They roster is completely different from the one that began last season because the team is finally committed to rebuilding and giving the young players playing time together. Players on roster at beginning of last season not on roster now: Bobby Brown, Quicny Douby, Shelden Williams, Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, John Salmons, and possibly BJax.
We were gonna suck again this year no matter who was drafted and even if one of the young players becomes an all star because the main pieces of this team are still all in their mid 20's or younger with very little playing time together.
I think the team is better simply because of the growth of young players and obvious improvement at the point guard position this year.
What risk are you talking about? Kind of lost there. And why would you be offending anyone?
They roster is completely different from the one that began last season because the team is finally committed to rebuilding and giving the young players playing time together. Players on roster at beginning of last season not on roster now: Bobby Brown, Quicny Douby, Shelden Williams, Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, John Salmons, and possibly BJax.
We were gonna suck again this year no matter who was drafted and even if one of the young players becomes an all star because the main pieces of this team are still all in their mid 20's or younger with very little playing time together.
I think the team is better simply because of the growth of young players and obvious improvement at the point guard position this year.
What risk are you talking about? Kind of lost there. And why would you be offending anyone?
A fan of Rubio I bet.
Not sure why you're so upset....just give it a chance and hope for the best. If Evans doesn't turn out to be an all star and the guy we passed on did, than we can blame GP and start a riot. But if Evans turn out to be that player we wanted then all is good. Why get so upset over an assumption?
But for now I still have faith in GP. He's got up and down with trades but good with picks.
Not sure why you're so upset....just give it a chance and hope for the best. If Evans doesn't turn out to be an all star and the guy we passed on did, than we can blame GP and start a riot. But if Evans turn out to be that player we wanted then all is good. Why get so upset over an assumption?
But for now I still have faith in GP. He's got up and down with trades but good with picks.
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okay, i know that i said that i wouldnt post in any evans related threads but i'll do it this time without actually talking about evans.....
besides the fact that beno is no longer our starting pg we have the exact same starting lineup that won all of 4 games after the trade deadline. if beno is our starting pg we would have all 5 of our starters from the end of last season. the only player that has been added to our roster is sergio. none of the rookies have played an nba game yet and first round picks have to be signed so thats going to happen period unless they arent going to play in the nba at all. the pistons made moves to change their team, so did the mavs, magic, lakers to a certain extent, spurs and grizzlies.... we did nothing but draft some players and let our freeagents walk....
we have the same roster that played the majority of last season with the exception of nocioni who only played 23 games everyone else eiher played at least 55 (greene) games or was on the roster at the beginning of last season (thomas, played 8 games). 90% of our current roster was on the team when the season started nocioni has been here since trade deadline and everyone else hasnt played a game as a king yet.
its pretty sad that the player with the most playoff experience on our team is nocioni. thomas doesnt play, so nocioni is the only player on our team to win a playoff series. think about that for asecond... that is pathetic. our only new players are rookies from a weak draft and a back up pg from a weak draft. granted i like sergio and wanted him to be drafted instead of douby but that draft was still pretty weak. we need to make some real moves or we arent going to go anywhere.
i apologized for the abusive relationship reference....
Thank you.
There is no "Princeton offense." It is general term to describe what Coachie has made a career of - namely use old Celtic and Knick plays and modifying them to fit your players' skills set.
I sleep very well at night knowing that Caochie will be Wetsphal's assistant/consultant. I have confidence that he will be able to draw-up plays that fit our players' unique skills sets better than any of us here could.
There is no "Princeton offense." It is general term to describe what Coachie has made a career of - namely use old Celtic and Knick plays and modifying them to fit your players' skills set.
I sleep very well at night knowing that Caochie will be Wetsphal's assistant/consultant. I have confidence that he will be able to draw-up plays that fit our players' unique skills sets better than any of us here could.
Who would you have wanted to replace in the starting lineup? We have apparently replace Beno (regardless of if you think Evans will be a PG). I'm assuming you would not be trading away or demoting Hawes/Thompson. Not sure where you'd get an upgrade over Martin at the 2. So, is the issue we have not yet upgraded at the 3? I think the whole point is to let the young guys grow, but I could be missing your point.
hey i read this in the bee <http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/2030161.html>
westphal is not ready to announce evans as the starter
"Not so fast. Evans will be a big part of the Kings' plans this coming season. Westphal, however, hasn't committed to hand the team over to the prized rookie from Memphis.
"I read that too," Westphal said. "I think maybe Gavin might have gotten it mixed up with the regular season and summer league. … I haven't made any pronouncement like that."
westphal is not ready to announce evans as the starter
"Not so fast. Evans will be a big part of the Kings' plans this coming season. Westphal, however, hasn't committed to hand the team over to the prized rookie from Memphis.
"I read that too," Westphal said. "I think maybe Gavin might have gotten it mixed up with the regular season and summer league. … I haven't made any pronouncement like that."
One of the biggest straw man arguments I have EVER seen posted on this - or any other -forum.
No, every comment does NOT have to be praise. But if you're going to criticize and use a lot of blanket statements, which you have done repeatedly in this and other threads, you're going to have to realize people here will call you on it.
This is NOT like the Gerald Wallace situation, whatever you define that to be, for a wide variety of reasons.
You think Evans would fit better with Orlando and yet do nothing to substantiate that comment.
Etc, etc, etc.
I honestly believe you're listing too much to your Laker fan friends and they're tainting your view of our team. You have truly unrealistic expectations based on what rebuilding teams have to go through. You've already decided it's going to be a horrible year to be a Kings fan, etc.
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to express it BUT you just keep repeating the same things over and over ad nauseum. You're on a KingsFAN message board. People here are fans of the team and they're expressing hope and finding things to be optimistic about after two dreadful seasons and a couple before that that weren't much good either.
You can't really be surprised that people are just getting more than a little tired of the same old tired refrain - especially since it's only July and none of us know what happen with a lot of new team members, a new coach and a new coaching staff.
And now for the irony? It's being reported (I saw it in a little blurb in this morning's Bee) that despite Amick's twitter about Gavin naming Evans the new starting PG, Westphal denies that any such determination has been made... (Edit - And thanks to sacgrl88 for posting the proper link...)
No, every comment does NOT have to be praise. But if you're going to criticize and use a lot of blanket statements, which you have done repeatedly in this and other threads, you're going to have to realize people here will call you on it.
This is NOT like the Gerald Wallace situation, whatever you define that to be, for a wide variety of reasons.
You think Evans would fit better with Orlando and yet do nothing to substantiate that comment.
Etc, etc, etc.
I honestly believe you're listing too much to your Laker fan friends and they're tainting your view of our team. You have truly unrealistic expectations based on what rebuilding teams have to go through. You've already decided it's going to be a horrible year to be a Kings fan, etc.
That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to express it BUT you just keep repeating the same things over and over ad nauseum. You're on a KingsFAN message board. People here are fans of the team and they're expressing hope and finding things to be optimistic about after two dreadful seasons and a couple before that that weren't much good either.
You can't really be surprised that people are just getting more than a little tired of the same old tired refrain - especially since it's only July and none of us know what happen with a lot of new team members, a new coach and a new coaching staff.
And now for the irony? It's being reported (I saw it in a little blurb in this morning's Bee) that despite Amick's twitter about Gavin naming Evans the new starting PG, Westphal denies that any such determination has been made... (Edit - And thanks to sacgrl88 for posting the proper link...)
Um, you can't just discount the drafted players like that. If we had drafted Rubio I am sure you would be screaming if someone came here and said the same thing (we haven't added anyone). I guess Blake isn't new to the Clip either then, right? 
FYI, the first round picks HAVE signed contracts already - they are members of the team. they wouldn't be playing in summer league if they hadn't (and Omri missed some time at the beginning because of this, remember?).
FYI, the first round picks HAVE signed contracts already - they are members of the team. they wouldn't be playing in summer league if they hadn't (and Omri missed some time at the beginning because of this, remember?).
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yeah, i read that too just now.... but its not about listening to my laker friends its watching teams just as bad as ours at least try to make a change. i have no problem with losing if our team is at least trying to change the situation but we havent. i dont expect us to win a ring next season, its just not gonna happen but i do want us to be at least in the playoff race in some fashion. competeing for a chance at a ring and not just the number 1 draft pick again.
the grizzlies needed a bigman who can score to play with gasol and they needed a bigman who can defend and block shots. they took a risk and got randolph and thabeet. the clippers got lucky and ended up with griffin... but they also traded randoplh to make sure that griffing got the chance to play as many minutes as possible at his position. the pistons wanted to start over with a new younger team and they did. they dont know how charlie and ben will work out for them but they tried something different.
we have not. we used our draft picks and traded for sergio. thats it. none of the issues that needed to be addressed were taken care of. thats just my opinion, maybe others dont agree with it but geoff and the maloofs have not done a good job in assembling this team. i would probably be pissed if i actually lived in sacramento. i want this team to compete, i dont care if they lose if they are competeing. that goes for the players and front office...
the grizzlies needed a bigman who can score to play with gasol and they needed a bigman who can defend and block shots. they took a risk and got randolph and thabeet. the clippers got lucky and ended up with griffin... but they also traded randoplh to make sure that griffing got the chance to play as many minutes as possible at his position. the pistons wanted to start over with a new younger team and they did. they dont know how charlie and ben will work out for them but they tried something different.
we have not. we used our draft picks and traded for sergio. thats it. none of the issues that needed to be addressed were taken care of. thats just my opinion, maybe others dont agree with it but geoff and the maloofs have not done a good job in assembling this team. i would probably be pissed if i actually lived in sacramento. i want this team to compete, i dont care if they lose if they are competeing. that goes for the players and front office...
AriesMar27: Well, the Kings most glaring need was for a PG and they addressed it with a draft pick and a trade. Yes, I know you think Evans won't be a PG, but obviously the Kings think they may have found the answer at the point. Only time will tell. I think Sergio may be solid trade for a back up PG.
We also weren't exactly strong at the SF position. Casspi may help that, but again only time will tell.
And how you can judge that the Kings haven't done anything, when we aren't even to the end of July yet, I cannot fathom. Trades and FA signings could happen any time and you can't say they definitely won't.
We also weren't exactly strong at the SF position. Casspi may help that, but again only time will tell.
And how you can judge that the Kings haven't done anything, when we aren't even to the end of July yet, I cannot fathom. Trades and FA signings could happen any time and you can't say they definitely won't.
I agree it seems early but we seem to say this all the time the last couple of years. Also, every other team is at the same point in the offseason yet seem to be making moves. Its always that the offseason isn't over yet or the trade deadline hasn't happened. We assume because Petrie likes to keep things quiet that he's just waiting to strike. It just feels like that doesn't really happen anymore so the confidence that it will isn't there (for me at least). You may be right, and I hope you are, but I'm not exactly holding my breath on brilliant Kings moves.
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we say that every offseason thats why its called the tdos.... we dont make any moves in july, august, september or october... well in geoffs defense he does waste the mle every year. but we didnt have it this year because we actually had capspace. the poker face that petrie had a couple years ago when he traded for bibby isnt working anymore kevin pritchard must have taken it from him. we werent strong at pg and we still arent. we were weak at sf and we still are, deep as hell but weak as toilet paper....
Was never gonna happen this year no matter what changes we made because the core of the team we are rebuilding with is too young and have not played significant time together.
The change this team made was committing to the young players, but for some reason you're not acknowledging that doing that was a significant change. By committing to the youngsters and their development the franchise has committed to doing something significantly different.
The change this team made was committing to the young players, but for some reason you're not acknowledging that doing that was a significant change. By committing to the youngsters and their development the franchise has committed to doing something significantly different.
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thats why trade need to be made to make a core worth building around. the blazers are a perfect example of that... they turned randy foye and tyrus thomas into roy and aldridge. if they had kept them instead of making the trades would they be the team they are today? no.... you can commit to developing young pllayers and still make moves. like trading away a glut of vets for picks.... though we did get greene that way, kinda with the artest trade...
we couldve made moves to compete this year. it wouldve cost us thompson or the pick that became evans but we could have done it. trading for amare or boozer, though boozer wouldnt have cost us thompson or a pick... chandler is available. we could have a really good team but are geoff and the maloofs willing to make the moves. no... instead of being proactive we will play the wait and see game with the players that we have.
we couldve made moves to compete this year. it wouldve cost us thompson or the pick that became evans but we could have done it. trading for amare or boozer, though boozer wouldnt have cost us thompson or a pick... chandler is available. we could have a really good team but are geoff and the maloofs willing to make the moves. no... instead of being proactive we will play the wait and see game with the players that we have.
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