Tyreke Evans will start from Day One

[VF21]

Uhoh. Besides it being an obvious choice that Westphal has to make, methinks maybe already some meddling bwetween a franchise that needs Evans to star and star to kickstart it, and a new coach trying to establish his independence.

More than anything else, I think it might be a reporter trying to create something out of nothing.

We all know Gavin is excitable and says things at the spur of the moment that may or may not be relevant or come to pass. Unfortunately, there's at least one reporter around who cannot wait to take each of the excited utterings and turn them into some kind of scoop.

 

[AriesMar27]

More than anything else, I think it might be a reporter trying to create something out of nothing.

We all know Gavin is excitable and says things at the spur of the moment that may or may not be relevant or come to pass. Unfortunately, there's at least one reporter around who cannot wait to take each of the excited utterings and turn them into some kind of scoop.

but he has a 6'11 wingspan.... sorry, i just couldnt help it.

 

[VF21]

That's okay... I resisted the urge to post a "Howard Dean yell" link from YouTube.

 

[swisshh]

Uhoh. Besides it being an obvious choice that Westphal has to make, methinks maybe already some meddling bwetween a franchise that needs Evans to star and star to kickstart it, and a new coach trying to establish his independence.

I see it as moreso meddling from ownership. It is, business wise, their team, but the Maloof's public speaking has continually tripped up their own coaches and their own coach's ability to seem in charge. Gavin may have thought that is what the conversation meant(Evans is always starting, not just SL starting), but speaking for the coach has been a bad habit of his. At a certain point, you have to learn to let the coach be coach.

I think part of Minny's problem in finding a coach is that Kahn has already stated that both Rubio and Flynn will start together. That is a difficult setup for a coach to work around. You're expected to do what the boss says, but sometimes your boss belongs in a Dilbert cartoon.

Westphal has said he wants to run an offense that emphasizes the players strength and limits the weaknesses. Realistically, the way to do that best for Evans is to play him at the wing and give him the ball on the wing, and have a PG to initiate the offense and bring the ball up. By making the decleration that Evans is starting at PG then you're making the coach have to adjust the rest of the lineup to compensate, putting Cisco or a rookie in to help balance the team offensively.

 

[VF21]

I see it as moreso meddling from ownership. It is, business wise, their team, but the Maloof's public speaking has continually tripped up their own coaches and their own coach's ability to seem in charge. Gavin may have thought that is what the conversation meant(Evans is always starting, not just SL starting), but speaking for the coach has been a bad habit of his. At a certain point, you have to learn to let the coach be coach.

You say meddling, I say an emotional uttering from an exuberant owner who is first and foremost a fan. Gavin didn't go to Westphal and tell him Tryeke would be starting. Gavin made a comment that Amick picked up and rolled with.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to I suppose, but I think the Maloofs often take way too much grief for stuff like this...

 

[Section 101]

You say meddling, I say an emotional uttering from an exuberant owner who is first and foremost a fan. Gavin didn't go to Westphal and tell him Tryeke would be starting. Gavin made a comment that Amick picked up and rolled with.

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to I suppose, but I think the Maloofs often take way too much grief for stuff like this...

Umm get your facts straight. Gavin was interviewed by the summer league annoucers live when he said it. Everyone heard it.

 

[King Baller]

I like Tyreke, I suggested before the draft that he could be Petries guy. I watched all the pre-draft workout videos and Tyreke was impressive in those. His Memphis team went unbeaten after he took over the PG duties, also impressive.

All that said Tyreke is one year out of High School. If it was up to me I would let the players compete for the starting jobs and minutes. The guys who played the best would play. I must be old school

KB

 

[Memphis_Fan]

Hi everyone!

Wow there seems to be a love hate thing going on here with Tyreke. Nothing in the middle. I guess I can be that middle voice that can see the validity in both sides.

So Princeton offence is all about movement and passing. People are correct that assume Tyreke isn't strong at moving without the ball yet. Truthfully I am not sure how it would work if you implemented that offense for your team and gave Tyreke the ball. Basically at Memphis after Tyreke was given the point guard position he was asked to score. Evans was not the best passer on this Memphis team, and I would probably rank him 3rd. But he was the best overall player by far, and had far more talent than anyone else.

I have some knowledge on Hawes, and Thompson, and both are decent passers. Hawes more so than Thompson but both have soft hands. Not sure about Martin, and I am real familiar with Nocioni as I was following the Bulls last season because of Rose. Nocioni is a great player and although he is 30 this year he can give you solid play throughout his contract. He's the type of player that can play well into his 30s. He's that tough.

Back to my point, you have Hawes, and Thompson with soft hands, Noc is tough, and Martin can score. If Evans was able to get kicked in the but to move without the ball you have 4 guys that are decent passers. I don't think there would be a ball movement problem, and it would drastically take away from Evans weakness which is basically running an entire team. Think about it, If Evans was given the ball and told to get 4 others involved and make them better I would even be frightened. He's new to that position and although very talented I don't think he would be ready for a traditional point guard offense. But as for an offense that moves the ball around and gets other players involved I believe that Evans (provided that kick in the butt to move around when he doesn't have the ball) can be slowly groomed to become a more complete point guard. It makes sense from your teams point of view to run an offense that wont make Evans the sole ball handler.

 

[DocHolliday]

Gotta love Gavin. Read it on Twitter late last night that he had confused Tyreke starting SL for starting at the start of the regular season. Comical really.

 

[Memphis_Fan]

I like Tyreke, I suggested before the draft that he could be Petries guy. I watched all the pre-draft workout videos and Tyreke was impressive in those. His Memphis team went unbeaten after he took over the PG duties, also impressive.

All that said Tyreke is one year out of High School. If it was up to me I would let the players compete for the starting jobs and minutes. The guys who played the best would play. I must be old school

KB

He was actually playing point for the most part in the Syracuse game and a couple before that, but did start as the point following the Syracuse game. We were frustrated as fans because after losing to Syracuse we weren't ranked anymore for the first time since I started attending Memphis. Evans was clearly our best player, and can handle the ball so coach told him to do what he can to win and Evans did. There was a lot of help from Antonio Anderson as he is a great passer for a forward. When Evans didn't have anything he would give to the other side and Anderson could distribute from there or take it in himself. It was a decent spread we had with both Anderson and Evans working from opposite sides and in college most teams guards were too small to guard Evans inside. Even their shooting guards. The only issues we had were against zone defenses, but Syracuse was the only team to play an effective zone against us.

 

[VF21]

Umm get your facts straight. Gavin was interviewed by the summer league annoucers live when he said it. Everyone heard it.

No, everyone didn't hear it. I don't get the summer league broadcast. What I saw was a post that said they read this in a tweet from Sam Amick...apparently reporting the exchange but without clarifying that's what it was.

I still maintain, whether it's Amick or a summer league announcer, that Gavin is overly enthusiastic at times, which I'm sure you've seen in Arco as well as I. Amick and a couple of other reporters have gone overboard in their zest in ridiculing Gavin at times, quoting him out of context at other times, and taking something said or done in the moment and making it sound as though he held a press conference to make an official announcement, which he did not.

I am just not going to give this little tweet a whole lot of weight. If you choose to, that's your choice to make but I think both sides should be brought into the discussion.

 

[VF21]

Gotta love Gavin. Read it on Twitter late last night that he had confused Tyreke starting SL for starting at the start of the regular season. Comical really.

And pretty much vintage Gavin, which is all I was really trying to point out to those who wanted to make it into Mt. Everest.

 

[Section 101]

No, everyone didn't hear it. I don't get the summer league broadcast. What I saw was a post that said they read this in a tweet from Sam Amick...apparently reporting the exchange but without clarifying that's what it was.

I still maintain, whether it's Amick or a summer league announcer, that Gavin is overly enthusiastic at times, which I'm sure you've seen in Arco as well as I. Amick and a couple of other reporters have gone overboard in their zest in ridiculing Gavin at times, quoting him out of context at other times, and taking something said or done in the moment and making it sound as though he held a press conference to make an official announcement, which he did not.

I am just not going to give this little tweet a whole lot of weight. If you choose to, that's your choice to make but I think both sides should be brought into the discussion.

Gavin has been doing it all by himself lately. The starting comment and Evans being the best player in the draft at the draft party. Just maybe Amick is right and it has been all Gavin.

 

[VF21]

But as for an offense that moves the ball around and gets other players involved I believe that Evans (provided that kick in the butt to move around when he doesn't have the ball) can be slowly groomed to become a more complete point guard. It makes sense from your teams point of view to run an offense that wont make Evans the sole ball handler.

At our best, the Kings have always been a team that moved the ball well among the players, passing for advantage until they were able to get the ball to the open man. With the right players around him, I like to think Reke will be able to learn by doing...real on the job training, so to speak. Martin is excellent at moving without the ball, as is Garcia when given the chance. Even Bibby, our last best point guard, didn't have sole ball-handling responsibilities when things were going well.

This young team is really starting to look promising...maybe not for wins, but for excitement and energy that gets Kings fans back in the seats in Arco. And a full Arco is an energized Arco. The energy from the crowd feeds the team and vice versa in a symbiotic relationship very hard to understand or explain unless you've lived through a night of Arco Thunder. Based on what I've seen, read and heard about Evans, I think it's the perfect atmosphere for him to become all that he is capable of being.

 

[Telemachus]

ugh, yeah... leading up to the draft we had something to look forward to, the possibility of getting a franchise player like griffin or rubio.

Sorry, but Griffin was the ONLY player in this draft considered to be a franchise player. I have heard a lot of experts, analysts, and scouts say that Rubio could turn into a star player in the NBA. I haven't heard any of them put "franchise" next to his name.

OTOH, I have heard several mention Evens name as a possible franchise player, but will have to wait and see how he develops.

 

[Telemachus]

And Reke's ball dominance does not have to be a bad thing -- ball dominant players around the league include Kobe, LeBron, Roy, Wade, CP3 and virtually every other major perimeter player in the game. The problem with Artest and Salmons is that they weren't good enough to play that way. And yes, when you aren't good enough to play that way it is absolutely disruptive. But if you are good enough to play that way, then its one of those sine qua non traits of a dominant player. Has the ball, cannot be stopped, forces the other team's entire defense to buckle to that fact.

I think the other thing you have to look at is what those players are doing while dominating the ball. My biggest problem with Salmons was that he would dribble around for 15 secs without accomplishing anything and no apparent plan. Artest tended to just forget about his teammates all together, and simply didn't have the ability to take over the game the way he thought he could.

When you watch Wade, LeBron, Kobe, ect., they always look like they have some kind of plan out there on the floor when they are dominating the ball. That will keep a team's defense more on it's toes than what Salmons did much of the time.

 

[Prince_XY]

I think the other thing you have to look at is what those players are doing while dominating the ball. My biggest problem with Salmons was that he would dribble around for 15 secs without accomplishing anything and no apparent plan. Artest tended to just forget about his teammates all together, and simply didn't have the ability to take over the game the way he thought he could.

When you watch Wade, LeBron, Kobe, ect., they always look like they have some kind of plan out there on the floor when they are dominating the ball. That will keep a team's defense more on it's toes than what Salmons did much of the time.

I agree.

Let us all hope that our 19 year old can be develop to much more than just a Salmon which I think wouldn't be that much hard to do. Evans seems more athletic and better all around player and finisher than Salmons at this point in time already. He's got a lot of time to develop into Kobe, Lebron, or Wade, since he's only 19 years old.

And when did Lebron, Kobe, and Wade started to be the kick-a** players that they are today?

At what age again?

 

[VF21]

And when did Lebron, Kobe, and Wade started to be the kick-a** players that they are today?

At what age again?

I like Reke as much as anyone else, but Lebron and Kobe had people talking when they were juniors in high school, let alone rookies in the NBA. Tyreke has tons of potential but to put him in the same category as Lebron, Kobe and Wade at this point is simply homerism rearing its bright purple head.

 

[Prince_XY]

I like Reke as much as anyone else, but Lebron and Kobe had people talking when they were juniors in high school, let alone rookies in the NBA. Tyreke has tons of potential but to put him in the same category as Lebron, Kobe and Wade at this point is simply homerism rearing its bright purple head.

I read in some other thread in this forum that Evan's accomplishments/awards were similar to what Lebron and Wade had during their High School years. It was even enumerated by the one who posted it and nobody contested it. Of course, we can argue that Lebron and Wade came from stronger drafts than Evans, so that some people think that Evan's reaching the level of Lebron and Wade is plain homerism.

And I think otherwise - unless you can prove that what that poster was saying was false.

P.S.

I'll try to locate that post and maybe you can shed light about the validity of what was posted about Evan's accomplishment.

 

[ParniValjak]

I agree.

Let us all hope that our 19 year old can be develop to much more than just a Salmon which I think wouldn't be that much hard to do. Evans seems more athletic and better all around player and finisher than Salmons at this point in time already. He's got a lot of time to develop into Kobe, Lebron, or Wade, since he's only 19 years old.

And when did Lebron, Kobe, and Wade started to be the kick-a** players that they are today?

At what age again?

Err talk about going overboard!

LeBron was kicking *** in the NBA at Tyreke's age. 20.9ppg / 5.5rpg / 5.9apg to be precise!

The stats at same age are comparable to Wade but lets be real here. Wade is a better athlete. Evans is taller. The absolute and I mean the absolute best case scenario for Evans is to be poorer man's version of Wade. A bit taller, less athletic but almost as effective.

More realistic expectation is to have him be just below the Wade level player. Evans is a very very good young talent. He has the potential to be a very very good 2 way player. A perennial All-Star but lets be a bit realistic here. When you are talking about LeBron, Kobe and Wade, we are talking about the Hall of Fame talent there. Tyreke is good but he is not that good. He doesn't have the explosivness of these guy and will never have that.

He is going to be a very good player for us but the 3 you mentioned are special talents. Once in generation type players.

 

[Entity]

^ well it seems it can happen 3 times in a generation.

 

[Prince_XY]

Err talk about going overboard!

LeBron was kicking *** in the NBA at Tyreke's age. 20.9ppg / 5.5rpg / 5.9apg to be precise!

The stats at same age are comparable to Wade but lets be real here. Wade is a better athlete. Evans is taller. The absolute and I mean the absolute best case scenario for Evans is to be poorer man's version of Wade. A bit taller, less athletic but almost as effective.

More realistic expectation is to have him be just below the Wade level player. Evans is a very very good young talent. He has the potential to be a very very good 2 way player. A perennial All-Star but lets be a bit realistic here. When you are talking about LeBron, Kobe and Wade, we are talking about the Hall of Fame talent there. Tyreke is good but he is not that good. He doesn't have the explosivness of these guy and will never have that.

He is going to be a very good player for us but the 3 you mentioned are special talents. Once in generation type players.

Let us talk about the bolded statements here, because it seems like we are putting an unrealistic ceiling on Evans' future.

Lebron was kicking *** in the NBA at Evans' age. And you were saying Evans is a very very good talent, and you have him just below Wade level of talent. The problem with the statements is Evans hasn't started playing in the NBA yet, and you are certain/absolute already how far our Kid will go in the NBA.

As a fan, if I see our rookie having comparable talent ( at least in this case with Wade ), I'd rather be hopeful that our player makes it even if it is not on his rookie year, but maybe on his 2nd or 3rd year probably.

Who would have thought that Kobe and Wade will be super-duper players worthy to be HOF anyways, and when did it became apparent?

Before they got drafted?

On their rookie year?

 

[Emma]

Who would have thought that Kobe and Wade will be super-duper players worthy to be HOF anyways, and when did it became apparent?

Before they got drafted?

On their rookie year?

Wade isn't a HOF lock yet (but he is super duper), and it took Kobe up to his 4th year.


Here, Wiki with a grain of salt, but they have sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyreke_Evans

 

[Prince_XY]

For VF21

I'm gonna be honest, all those ppl who are doubting Tyreke Evans simply don't watch or know basketball. I follow college recruiting as well as the draft. Tyreke evans was being recruited for jr high and high school ball when he was 8. Played Varsity as a 7th grader. McDonald's all-american and mvp of the mcdonald's all-american game, freshmen player of the year, and only freshmen to be considered for the Niesmith player and Oscar Roberston Player of the year awards, c-usa tournament mvp, mvp of the west regional...Ranked #2 in Rivals.com in the country only behind Brandon Jennings (LOL). This guy is going to be so good it's too good to be true that the kings got him. Let me name other players with similar awards: Carmelo, Lebron, Wade, Iverson.

Since a young age, he's been destined to be a star. He'll bring the ball up and may not be the "pure point guard" that everyone wants but i'd take Dwade who was supposedly a "PG" the same way that Evans was referred to as a point guard over Jwill anyday...that's as good as Rubio will ever be. If you think Rubio would of ever made to the level of CP3 or Rondo or Deron williams, you simply dont understand basketball. Rubio is not fast, he's shifty, he's not athletic like CP3, Rondo or williams either. Evans on the other hand has proven it on EVERY LEVEL. He's dominated every level and he's a humble, hard working guy. By the end of the year, all those who weren't in support of this pick will begin to realize that we're just fans and the scouting staff is the scouting staff for a specific reason. Bottom line, Evans will be an all star at worse, with a superstar ceiling. Rubio would can maybe become Jwilliams but he's not going to be CP3.

Sorry, it took me so long to post this quote.

 

[bloom]

It would be great if Tyreke would start from day 1 but I also think it could be a bad thing...My problem: Beno. If Tyreke starts, then Beno's sitting (unless Sergio doesn't play well). We need to showcase him (he at least needs some decent minutes) and then trade him before the deadline...Beno needs to come to camp in the best shape of his life.

I do hope that if Tyreke proves himself/if Beno or Sergio isn't playing well, then we see Evans on the court. I don't want any of this Muss/Reggie/Natt stuff going on.

 

[Bricklayer]

It would be great if Tyreke would start from day 1 but I also think it could be a bad thing...My problem: Beno. If Tyreke starts, then Beno's sitting (unless Sergio doesn't play well). We need to showcase him (he at least needs some decent minutes) and then trade him before the deadline...Beno needs to come to camp in the best shape of his life.

I do hope that if Tyreke proves himself/if Beno or Sergio isn't playing well, then we see Evans on the court. I don't want any of this Muss/Reggie/Natt stuff going on.

The Beno thing is unfortunate and likely true. As untradeable as he is now, given half a season or a full season of 6pt 2ast backup numbers, he will be doubly (or trebly) so. But that said, you can't let that consideration interfere with the development of your highest lottery pick in 15 years. Ths single most important thing for this franchise right now is Evans' development. Both for us on the court, and for us trying to revive a fanbase. We absolutely need for it to work out, and work out the faster the better. Another bad contract to a guy like Beno is unfortunate, but just not a factor at that level. Be a great thing to get rid of him, but at worst he just minorly hamstrings our cap for the next however long, taking KTs place. Not at all worth stunting our superrook's growth or slowing in the least the formation of new team chemsitry/spirit.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Not only that, but I can't see Udrih getting another starting job in the NBA again. If we find a team interested in trading for him, it's going to be precisely because of how he does in a reserve role.

 

[Warhawk]

A blip in here regarding Evans:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-99/The-Eight-Biggest-Stories-of-Summer-League.html

When asked how many certain All-Stars would materialize from the class of 2009, interviewees set the over-under barely above one, with Tyreke Evans earning a few votes. (Obviously discussing Blake Griffin)

......

Several point guards who came to Las Vegas made strong impressions. Jonny Flynn, despite all the turmoil surrounding Ricky Rubio, stood out. Though many in Vegas questioned the wisdom of playing Tyreke Evans at point guard long-term, few doubted that his strength, size, and capacity to get to the rim would make him a scoring machine.

 

[fnordius]

A blip in here regarding Evans:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-99/The-Eight-Biggest-Stories-of-Summer-League.html

I thought this quote might hold something useful for us, too.

These historically beleaguered franchises all have one thing in common: There's no defined hierarchy that allows basketball people to make basketball decisions. The best franchises have well-defined roles that emanate from the top. Owners allow their senior executives to do their job. Those executives give their head coach full reign, and so forth. Look no further than the San Antonio Spurs.

 

[swisshh]

I think the best thing to do with Beno is to have him and Sergio battle it out for superiority at the start of camp and pre-season, and then trade Beno if he loses to Sergio before the season starts. Once the season starts and Beno doesn't get time, his value will again drop. If he wins the battle, then you can give him heavy minutes off bench and show him off for trade that way.

If he loses the battle, you don't trade him before the season and he gets little run then you're basically screwing yourself over in eventual trade value. There are some contending teams that will be looking for some PG help around the trade deadline, but will those sort of teams bite if they don't really see Beno as an upgrade?