Tyreke Evans will start from Day One

[swisshh]

I'm actually tired of hearing this. If the team moves, it will be because there isn't going to be a new arena, period. No new arena means it just isn't financially viable to stay in Sacramento, regardless of how many fans show up. Sell-outs won't even save the team without a financially viable arena.

It's the weird "look the fans weren't there, we aren't such bad guys" mentality of owners who are looking to get out. People often try to morally rationalize a uncouth act. City bailing owners like to put out less than attractive products, lie to the fanbase and create dissent, so in some imaginary happy world it looks better.

Their reasons for leaving are often otherwise than stated, but when you're selling something to someone else, you want to explain how all the faults are not your fault. Like explaining a bad credit score or why you got fired.

You have to convince your new city and convince the other owners to approve the move. You have to be a used care salesman.

 

[mdme]

"Injury" on Evans? .....welcome to the Kings

 

[kennadog]

The city's own consultants in two different reports have said that Arco is fast coming to the end of it's economic life. And that was a few years ago now. There's a whole lot of reasons for this, enumerated in the reports. Since most can be found in the Arena thread, I'm certainly not going to repeat them here.

If the Kings leave, Arco will be demolished, becasue it is not economically feasible and due to the type of foudnation put in originally, it cannot be made economically viable as an arena by remodeling it. All of this was well known before the team took its nosedive in attendance. They don't have to "sell" anything. The City's own paid consultants already made their case for the Maloofs. The only thing at issue is how it gets paid for and the Maloofs cannot build it out of their own pockets. Paul Allen's had to declare bankruptcy a while back over his arena. The Maloofs have pocket change compared to Paul Allen.

 

[sactownfan]

wow anyone that thinks Evans shouldn't be the starting PG should just admit they have a man crush on beno! (or just crush for the ladies)

We picked Evans outa all those PG's and to not play him over BENO??? is just madness...

Please Beno would be getting ball'd up in the summer league. you think Beno could stay with Brandon Jennings??

 

[SacKings7]

I like the news, but this of course means that if he doesn't start off good we're gonna have several threads about Evans not being a PG, etc. I just hope people realize he's a rookie and don't call for his head if he struggles to get used to playing PG. Rookies make mistakes, that's how they learn.

 

[Jerryaki]

I'll pay money to come down from the forest and watch Evans as he learns the ins and outs of being a point guard in the NBA.

concur, i would spend good minutes reading your play-by-plays to imagine evans learning the ins and outs of being a point guard in the NBA.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Of course hes going to start from day 1, hes our #4 pick and future PG, plus we are already at rock bottom, what is there to loose. I'm glad hes going to get his 30 MPG starting at the very start of the season, unlike Hawes and Thompson last year.

 

[ParniValjak]

Was this really ever in doubt?!

Watching in summer league he is already our best PG with turnovers and all. While he is a fair while off actually learning to see the floor better, pass better and make better decisions, he is still miles ahead of Udrih.

All we need to do now is find a sucker willing to take on Beno's contract

 

[sactownfan]

if Evans struggles then before people start writing nonsense about Evan they should take a step back and read the rest of the roster list... then decide if its really just "evans"

the Kings are not an all-star team... lol!

 

[Section 101]

Fans are going to be more excited watching us patch things over with Beno than the raw potential of Tyreke, really?

No, you asked what the risk was. The risk is a horrible team to watch (ie one one play, no ball movement, basically what everyone complained about Salmons last year) so the fans stop coming. If the fans stop coming the team could move.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I hope Sergio earns the back up guard spot.

 

[Section 101]

I'm actually tired of hearing this. If the team moves, it will be because there isn't going to be a new arena, period. No new arena means it just isn't financially viable to stay in Sacramento, regardless of how many fans show up. Sell-outs won't even save the team without a financially viable arena.

Actually I disagree. At this point the maloofs know the economy sucks. It will be hard to get a new arena. But it would also be very expensive to move. If they cant get the fan support to at least be close to breaking even they may have no choice but move to a better financial position.

 

[Section 101]

And that's another reason for optimism. Westphal is making it clear this is HIS team. I don't want to get too excited too early, but I think we're gonna have fun...

I LOVE THIS TEAM!!!

His as in Westphal or Evans?

 

[VF21]

In the context shown, I was referring to Westphal.

 

[VF21]

Actually I disagree. At this point the maloofs know the economy sucks. It will be hard to get a new arena. But it would also be very expensive to move. If they can get the fan support to at least be close to breaking even they may have no choice but move to a better financial position.

There's no way to know ahead of time whether or not the fan support will meet or exceed what you have here in Sacramento, especially if this young team brings butts back to Arco.

Since the Maloofs know the economy sucks and it will be hard to get an arena, if they can get renewed fan support HERE they aren't going to be giving anywhere near as much thought to pulling up stakes and moving.

 

[bajaden]

You don't want a "tough dude" in summer league? Why not? I love knowing he's not afraid of contact and can play through a little pain. Welcome to the NBA, Tyreke! It's not like his finger was severed and hanging by a tendon or anything...

We'd have to sign Ronnie Lott for that.

 

[AriesMar27]

I hope Sergio earns the back up guard spot.

i hope he earns the starting pg spot. but that wont happen in the beginning because the spot is evans' to lose.

my question is if evans starts off poorly due to turnovers and basic rookie mistakes when will the coach pull him? he has been given the starting spot without ever playing in an actual nba game how much leverage will he be given? how many losses due to poor passing/decision making will the maloofs put up with before yanking him? you guys do remember what happened to theus last season.... and he was the coach in his second season as head coach.

 

[Telemachus]

This is as it should be. We're in a much better place now then we were at this time last year with all the old vets clogging things up. Now I only wish that either Donte or Omri were doing something at the summer league to justify a similar move at the SF spot.

If Donte or Casspi do anything to take the starting SF spot, I think it will be during training camp and pre-season. Even if Donte has another 40 pt game like last year, I don't think it will make a big difference.

 

[Section 101]

In the context shown, I was referring to Westphal.

I hope he goes Bill Parcell's on Evans. Make him fetch his water.

 

[Bricklayer]

i hope he earns the starting pg spot. but that wont happen in the beginning because the spot is evans' to lose.

my question is if evans starts off poorly due to turnovers and basic rookie mistakes when will the coach pull him? he has been given the starting spot without ever playing in an actual nba game how much leverage will he be given? how many losses due to poor passing/decision making will the maloofs put up with before yanking him? you guys do remember what happened to theus last season.... and he was the coach in his second season as head coach.

You don't pull your high lottery pick PG for a career backup unless its a total disasterout there. Not the way its done. Kids need to learn. They learn by playing and making those mistakes. This is Evans' team. There is NOBODY on this roster who is remotely a threat to his starting job unless he completely flops. And from what I've seen, that is highly unlikely. May be rough patches, growing pains, and everything else, but the kid can play.

Only variation to that mantra is if Kevin is traded and Evans is switched over to his spot. Otherwise might as well settle on in.

 

[Bricklayer]

I hope he goes Bill Parcell's on Evans. Make him fetch his water.

Yes, you hope a lot of bad things happens to Evans, for whatever reason. However fortunately Westphal is cut from Rick Adelman cloth, not Bill Russel cloth. There will be none of that power play nonsense.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

i hope he earns the starting pg spot. but that wont happen in the beginning because the spot is evans' to lose.

my question is if evans starts off poorly due to turnovers and basic rookie mistakes when will the coach pull him? he has been given the starting spot without ever playing in an actual nba game how much leverage will he be given? how many losses due to poor passing/decision making will the maloofs put up with before yanking him? you guys do remember what happened to theus last season.... and he was the coach in his second season as head coach.

I find it odd that it seems as if you're rooting for Evans to fail. How can you not be excited to see this guy in action during the regular season after he performance through three games, and why do you want Sergio starting over him?

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give a top five pick an immediate spot in the starting lineup. Most teams that draft that high aren't very good, and top 5 players are generally impact rookies.

It's like you're just pulling up random possible scenarios without anything solid to back them up. So far in SL haven't seen any evidence of poor passes or poor decision making on Evans' part.

 

[kingsnation]

From one thread to the next..

 

[swisshh]

It's like you're just pulling up random possible scenarios without anything solid to back them up. So far in SL haven't seen any evidence of poor passes or poor decision making on Evans' part.

Statements like these are why people go crazy on this board trying to have a rational discussion and evaluation of the team.

 

[VF21]

From one thread to the next..

Yep. we've been down the road before. Webber v. Peja immediately comes to mind as the worst case scenario.

TO ALL CONCERNED: You each have your own opinions and you're each entitled to express them. BUT make no mistake. If we - the august moderators of this forum - decide you're simply poking sticks and trying to cause problems, you'll be put on a time out.

 

[VF21]

Statements like these are why people go crazy on this board trying to have a rational discussion and evaluation of the team.

No offense meant whatsoever, but his statement was fine IMHO. Yours, on the other hand, wasn't about the topic at hand and took it into a personal thing between you and OnYouLikeGlue. He made some valid points, whether you agree with them or not.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

lol its like pre-school all over again!

 

[swisshh]

No offense meant whatsoever, but his statement was fine IMHO. Yours, on the other hand, wasn't about the topic at hand and took it into a personal thing between you and OnYouLikeGlue. He made some valid points, whether you agree with them or not.

I don't have a personal thing with onyoulikeglue or any poster.

What I quoted was silly in its claim, as plain observation of the games includes witnessing Evans making bad passes and bad decisions.

Approving ridiculous claims as valid make all discussion pointless.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

Statements like these are why people go crazy on this board trying to have a rational discussion and evaluation of the team.

I'm not sure what was wrong with this statement. I was simply referring to another posters statement which assumed Evans' would lose games single-handedly due to poor passing and/or decision making. If that wasn't what he was saying it sure seemed that way. And I responded by saying based on his limited play thus far I haven't seen evidence that poor passing and decision making on his part are common occurances.

I could also say things like, based on his summer performance Tyreke will surely be ROY and average 22ppg 7rebounds and 6 assists while leading the Kings to the playoffs, but that would be a ludicrous considering he's only played about 90 minutes of summer league basketball, hardly an indicator of much.

There are some things we have learned from summer league though: he is aggresive offensively, likes to go to the hole, can take contact around the basket, is a willing passer, is capable of finding open teammates for good looks, is not afraid to have the ball in his hand at the end of a game, struggles with entry passes, needs to work on turnovers, needs to improve his outside shot to be an elite NBA player, and needs to improve on bringing the ball upcourt against an aggressive defender.

As far as I can tell there is nothing indicating that he can't be a very good PG, he obviously needs to work on things but he's only 19. And I think going into the season looking for failure on his part to prove a point about someone we should've drafted or for whatever reason seems pointless.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

I don't have a personal thing with onyoulikeglue or any poster.

What I quoted was silly in its claim, as plain observation of the games includes witnessing Evans making bad passes and bad decisions.

Approving ridiculous claims as valid make all discussion pointless.

Like I said, I've watched the games and haven't seen an unusually high number of horrible passes or bad decisions.