Tyreke Evans will start from Day One

[hrdboild]

The thing about playing Evans at PG (and I'm just randomly choosing this topic instead of the 12 or so others discussing the same thing ) is that even if he isn't in traditional terms a PG, his primary strength is breaking down defense man-to-man and getting into the lane, and for that to happen he needs the ball in his hands. If you get a pass-first PG and move Evans to the SG spot, your PG is going to be handling the ball and Evans' most tangible strength on the basketball court has been neutralized. So if you're banking on Evans' becoming a star, than you really do have to go all-in with his style of play and give him the ball. Whether you call him a PG or a SG doesn't really matter. Call him a guard and be done with it. Regardless of who else is in the backcourt with him, he needs to be the primary ball-handler on offense, if not for the whole game, than at least for the fourth quarter.

Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Brandon Roy are all similar players who can create shots for themselves or for others but they need the ball in their hands to make their impact. None of them is a PG, and they've been paired up with more traditional PGs who become mostly spot shooters in their offense. Portland lets Blake share PG responsibilities throughout the game but they give Roy the ball to close the game. Cleveland and Miami do the same thing to a lesser extent. Kobe is different because he can still be effective as a jump-shooter, but even LA goes to a Kobe-dominated offense to close the game.

That's the type of player that Evans is. Whether he'll be as succesful as the afformentioned players depends on the extent to which he has the court vision, killer instinct, work ethic, and physical gifts to make it work. Those are all subjective and still developing. But my point is that having a player like that on the floor greatly diminishes the need for a traditional PG, regardless of what position you want to put them at. And the number of players that can do what they do succesfully in the NBA (basically score at will) is so small that you really have to thank your lucky stars if you're lucky enough to get one.

 

[OnYouLikeGlue]

The thing about playing Evans at PG (and I'm just randomly choosing this topic instead of the 12 or so others discussing the same thing ) is that even if he isn't in traditional terms a PG, his primary strength is breaking down defense man-to-man and getting into the lane, and for that to happen he needs the ball in his hands. If you get a pass-first PG and move Evans to the SG spot, your PG is going to be handling the ball and Evans' most tangible strength on the basketball court has been neutralized. So if you're banking on Evans' becoming a star, than you really do have to go all-in with his style of play and give him the ball. Whether you call him a PG or a SG doesn't really matter. Call him a guard and be done with it. Regardless of who else is in the backcourt with him, he needs to be the primary ball-handler on offense, if not for the whole game, than at least for the fourth quarter.

Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Brandon Roy are all similar players who can create shots for themselves or for others but they need the ball in their hands to make their impact. None of them is a PG, and they've been paired up with more traditional PGs who become mostly spot shooters in their offense. Portland lets Blake share PG responsibilities throughout the game but they give Roy the ball to close the game. Cleveland and Miami do the same thing to a lesser extent. Kobe is different because he can still be effective as a jump-shooter, but even LA goes to a Kobe-dominated offense to close the game.

That's the type of player that Evans is. Whether he'll be as succesful as the afformentioned players depends on the extent to which he has the court vision, killer instinct, work ethic, and physical gifts to make it work. Those are all subjective and still developing. But my point is that having a player like that on the floor greatly diminishes the need for a traditional PG, regardless of what position you want to put them at. And the number of players that can do what they do succesfully in the NBA (basically score at will) is so small that you really have to thank your lucky stars if you're lucky enough to get one.

Agree completely. Whether or not they are technically PGs they handle the ball for the their team a lot and lead their respective team in assists, so in essence they are the PG for their team.

 

[VF21]

The thing about playing Evans at PG (and I'm just randomly choosing this topic instead of the 12 or so others discussing the same thing ) is that even if he isn't in traditional terms a PG, his primary strength is breaking down defense man-to-man and getting into the lane, and for that to happen he needs the ball in his hands. If you get a pass-first PG and move Evans to the SG spot, your PG is going to be handling the ball and Evans' most tangible strength on the basketball court has been neutralized. So if you're banking on Evans' becoming a star, than you really do have to go all-in with his style of play and give him the ball. Whether you call him a PG or a SG doesn't really matter. Call him a guard and be done with it. Regardless of who else is in the backcourt with him, he needs to be the primary ball-handler on offense, if not for the whole game, than at least for the fourth quarter.

Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Brandon Roy are all similar players who can create shots for themselves or for others but they need the ball in their hands to make their impact. None of them is a PG, and they've been paired up with more traditional PGs who become mostly spot shooters in their offense. Portland lets Blake share PG responsibilities throughout the game but they give Roy the ball to close the game. Cleveland and Miami do the same thing to a lesser extent. Kobe is different because he can still be effective as a jump-shooter, but even LA goes to a Kobe-dominated offense to close the game.

That's the type of player that Evans is. Whether he'll be as succesful as the afformentioned players depends on the extent to which he has the court vision, killer instinct, work ethic, and physical gifts to make it work. Those are all subjective and still developing. But my point is that having a player like that on the floor greatly diminishes the need for a traditional PG, regardless of what position you want to put them at. And the number of players that can do what they do succesfully in the NBA (basically score at will) is so small that you really have to thank your lucky stars if you're lucky enough to get one.

Oh great.

Just what this discussion needed. Logic...

 

[VF21]

Like I said, I've watched the games and haven't seen an unusually high number of horrible passes or bad decisions.

Apparently watching games is second best when you can just look at the box scores and read random comments for a much better perspective.

 

[Entity]

I mean its not like Evans is going to come down while Martin and company will just sit there with their thumbs up their butt waiting to see what he does. There will be set plays where he just comes down and pass off to Martin or others to start the play just like in the past. Only thing that is new is that now the pg can actually do something him self and break down the defense then pass off or go to the basket. basically its like taking the offense we have had the last 4 years and inserting a pg with actual skill that we haven't seen in sacramento. its all for the better.

 

[hrdboild]

Apparently watching games is second best when you can just look at the box scores and read random comments for a much better perspective.

I blame NBA.com for creating this problem...

But you can learn some useful information from box scores, if you're a little sophisticated about how you interpret it. You can look at the TOs and be worried, for instance, but TOs are going to be unusually high in these summer league games regardless because you've got a lot of guys out their who've never played together who are trying to prove they belong in the NBA. All the guys I mentioned before are high TO players as well, who've become more efficient and less mistake-prone with time. And it's more than balanced out by the 17-19 FT shooting. That's exactly what you want to see from an aggressive scorer. Not just the number of attempts, but the percentage. It doesn't say anything at how well Evans controlled the offense or what his defense was like and so on, but 17-19 are numbers that jump out at you. That's pretty exceptional at any level.

 

[VF21]

Entity - I can also see some forward passes to Martin, who is still one of the quickest players on the court and can be counted on to beat the defense back up the court.

 

[Rockmeister]

Fans WILL pay for hustle and energy, even if there are mistakes. Jason Williams is forever the stereotypical example of that...

When Jason Williams was the PG, he may have made mistakes, but the Kings had a winning season. I agree, I want to see hustle and energy but its going to be hard to see another season like last year.

 

[VF21]

When Jason Williams was the PG, he may have made mistakes, but the Kings had a winning season. I agree, I want to see hustle and energy but its going to be hard to see another season like last year.

That's the one thing I don't think we'll need to worry about.

 

[Entity]

Entity - I can also see some forward passes to Martin, who is still one of the quickest players on the court and can be counted on to beat the defense back up the court.

especially when said pg is ripping down 8 reb a game.

 

[VF21]

Yep. And Martin loves to leak out to get a step ahead of the defenders. This has real and definite potential to be something opposing teams will have fits trying to guard against. And it's not about alley-oops. It's about Evans getting the board, either passing down the court to the breaking Martin OR getting the ball to Hawes who has already shown the ability to pass down court to the cutting Martin.

 

[Memphis_Fan]

I have been lurking since the draft and now I feel I need to post. I go to Memphis, and have seen the likes of Rose and Evans the last couple years. Been to every home game for the last 3 years. Seen most away games that were televised.

Discussions on whether or not Evans is a point guard has been going on a lot longer than it has here. Memphis Tiger forums was inundated with the same thing last year. Most agree he is a combo guard and when he was given the ball he won. Will it work in the NBA? Not sure. The problems I saw with Evans is that he's ineffective without the ball. He was our top player last season and he wasn't getting the ball enough. So the coaching staff moved him to the point guard position. Not because he was our best at distribution but because he was our most effective all around player and your most effective player in the college game should have the ball. I think he can play the point guard position in the NBA but I don't know how effective he will be. He was also a bit laxidasical when guarding small fast players relying on his size and long arms to get the job done but overall he is a decent defender when the players he defends are bigger, which they will be in the NBA.

Point guard or no point guard? I would call him a combo guard that's learning how to play the point. In order for him to become an effective point guard he's going to need to limit the dumb turnovers, get others involved, have better court vision, and learn to shoot the outside shot. After seeing the first 3 games of summer league it looks as if he's back in college.

What worries me the most about a guy like Evans is that he needs the ball to be effective. He probably wont make a good shooting guard if the point guard experiment doesn't work out because he wasn't very good at moving without the ball. Kind of stood around waiting for the game to come to him. When it didn't he just watched the game. Plus he needs to develop a outside game to extend the defense if moved to shooting guard. When playing shooting guard and got the ball he became somewhat of a blackhole and just drove it. Evans is a good player don't get me wrong. He just isn't much of a playmaker yet. He will get you rebounds and play some decent defense. But don't think he's the playmaker like traditional point guards or you will get dissapointed.

Don't know what else to say. Feel free to ask me any questions.

 

[VF21]

I have been lurking since the draft and now I feel I need to post. I go to Memphis, and have seen the likes of Rose and Evans the last couple years. Been to every home game for the last 3 years. Seen most away games that were televised.

Discussions on whether or not Evans is a point guard has been going on a lot longer than it has here. Memphis Tiger forums was inundated with the same thing last year. Most agree he is a combo guard and when he was given the ball he won. Will it work in the NBA? Not sure. The problems I saw with Evans is that he's ineffective without the ball. He was our top player last season and he wasn't getting the ball enough. So the coaching staff moved him to the point guard position. Not because he was our best at distribution but because he was our most effective all around player and your most effective player in the college game should have the ball. I think he can play the point guard position in the NBA but I don't know how effective he will be. He was also a bit laxidasical when guarding small fast players relying on his size and long arms to get the job done but overall he is a decent defender when the players he defends are bigger, which they will be in the NBA.

Point guard or no point guard? I would call him a combo guard that's learning how to play the point. In order for him to become an effective point guard he's going to need to limit the dumb turnovers, get others involved, have better court vision, and learn to shoot the outside shot. After seeing the first 3 games of summer league it looks as if he's back in college.

What worries me the most about a guy like Evans is that he needs the ball to be effective. He probably wont make a good shooting guard if the point guard experiment doesn't work out because he wasn't very good at moving without the ball. Kind of stood around waiting for the game to come to him. When it didn't he just watched the game. Plus he needs to develop a outside game to extend the defense if moved to shooting guard. When playing shooting guard and got the ball he became somewhat of a blackhole and just drove it. Evans is a good player don't get me wrong. He just isn't much of a playmaker yet. He will get you rebounds and play some decent defense. But don't think he's the playmaker like traditional point guards or you will get dissapointed.

Don't know what else to say. Feel free to ask me any questions.

First, welcome to the board!

You make some interesting points and I have a question... How much Kings ball have you watched, if any? Do you think Evans' game can work with Martin's?

If Evans can get us rebounds and play some defense we're already much better off than we were last year.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

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(I also had an idea for another sponsor considering how Evans stops penetration, but decided that this was a family site so I would let it go.)

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The thing about playing Evans at PG (and I'm just randomly choosing this topic instead of the 12 or so others discussing the same thing ) is that even if he isn't in traditional terms a PG, his primary strength is breaking down defense man-to-man and getting into the lane, and for that to happen he needs the ball in his hands. If you get a pass-first PG and move Evans to the SG spot, your PG is going to be handling the ball and Evans' most tangible strength on the basketball court has been neutralized. So if you're banking on Evans' becoming a star, than you really do have to go all-in with his style of play and give him the ball. Whether you call him a PG or a SG doesn't really matter. Call him a guard and be done with it. Regardless of who else is in the backcourt with him, he needs to be the primary ball-handler on offense, if not for the whole game, than at least for the fourth quarter.

Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Brandon Roy are all similar players who can create shots for themselves or for others but they need the ball in their hands to make their impact. None of them is a PG, and they've been paired up with more traditional PGs who become mostly spot shooters in their offense. Portland lets Blake share PG responsibilities throughout the game but they give Roy the ball to close the game. Cleveland and Miami do the same thing to a lesser extent. Kobe is different because he can still be effective as a jump-shooter, but even LA goes to a Kobe-dominated offense to close the game.

That's the type of player that Evans is. Whether he'll be as succesful as the afformentioned players depends on the extent to which he has the court vision, killer instinct, work ethic, and physical gifts to make it work. Those are all subjective and still developing. But my point is that having a player like that on the floor greatly diminishes the need for a traditional PG, regardless of what position you want to put them at. And the number of players that can do what they do succesfully in the NBA (basically score at will) is so small that you really have to thank your lucky stars if you're lucky enough to get one.

A+ post. 100% agree.

 

[Kingsguy881]

The thing about playing Evans at PG (and I'm just randomly choosing this topic instead of the 12 or so others discussing the same thing ) is that even if he isn't in traditional terms a PG, his primary strength is breaking down defense man-to-man and getting into the lane, and for that to happen he needs the ball in his hands. If you get a pass-first PG and move Evans to the SG spot, your PG is going to be handling the ball and Evans' most tangible strength on the basketball court has been neutralized. So if you're banking on Evans' becoming a star, than you really do have to go all-in with his style of play and give him the ball. Whether you call him a PG or a SG doesn't really matter. Call him a guard and be done with it. Regardless of who else is in the backcourt with him, he needs to be the primary ball-handler on offense, if not for the whole game, than at least for the fourth quarter.

Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Brandon Roy are all similar players who can create shots for themselves or for others but they need the ball in their hands to make their impact. None of them is a PG, and they've been paired up with more traditional PGs who become mostly spot shooters in their offense. Portland lets Blake share PG responsibilities throughout the game but they give Roy the ball to close the game. Cleveland and Miami do the same thing to a lesser extent. Kobe is different because he can still be effective as a jump-shooter, but even LA goes to a Kobe-dominated offense to close the game.

That's the type of player that Evans is. Whether he'll be as succesful as the afformentioned players depends on the extent to which he has the court vision, killer instinct, work ethic, and physical gifts to make it work. Those are all subjective and still developing. But my point is that having a player like that on the floor greatly diminishes the need for a traditional PG, regardless of what position you want to put them at. And the number of players that can do what they do succesfully in the NBA (basically score at will) is so small that you really have to thank your lucky stars if you're lucky enough to get one.

Genius. Pure unadulterated genius. I love it.

 

[Kingsguy881]

I have been lurking since the draft and now I feel I need to post. I go to Memphis, and have seen the likes of Rose and Evans the last couple years. Been to every home game for the last 3 years. Seen most away games that were televised.

Discussions on whether or not Evans is a point guard has been going on a lot longer than it has here. Memphis Tiger forums was inundated with the same thing last year. Most agree he is a combo guard and when he was given the ball he won. Will it work in the NBA? Not sure. The problems I saw with Evans is that he's ineffective without the ball. He was our top player last season and he wasn't getting the ball enough. So the coaching staff moved him to the point guard position. Not because he was our best at distribution but because he was our most effective all around player and your most effective player in the college game should have the ball. I think he can play the point guard position in the NBA but I don't know how effective he will be. He was also a bit laxidasical when guarding small fast players relying on his size and long arms to get the job done but overall he is a decent defender when the players he defends are bigger, which they will be in the NBA.

Point guard or no point guard? I would call him a combo guard that's learning how to play the point. In order for him to become an effective point guard he's going to need to limit the dumb turnovers, get others involved, have better court vision, and learn to shoot the outside shot. After seeing the first 3 games of summer league it looks as if he's back in college.

What worries me the most about a guy like Evans is that he needs the ball to be effective. He probably wont make a good shooting guard if the point guard experiment doesn't work out because he wasn't very good at moving without the ball. Kind of stood around waiting for the game to come to him. When it didn't he just watched the game. Plus he needs to develop a outside game to extend the defense if moved to shooting guard. When playing shooting guard and got the ball he became somewhat of a blackhole and just drove it. Evans is a good player don't get me wrong. He just isn't much of a playmaker yet. He will get you rebounds and play some decent defense. But don't think he's the playmaker like traditional point guards or you will get dissapointed.

Don't know what else to say. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Only thing to say to this is that this is the NBA. There are actually players on your team who know how to get it done and will. He is going to be one of the, if not the best on the team. And so far in preseason he has stuck to what the coaches want him to do. And he is young.

 

[VF21]

Only thing to say to this is that this is the NBA. There are actually players on your team who know how to get it done and will. He is going to be one of the, if not the best on the team. And so far in preseason he has stuck to what the coaches want him to do. And he is young.

I think Memphis fan is well aware of all that. I for one really appreciated his insight since he's seen a lot MORE of Tyreke on the court than any of us thus far.

 

[Prince_XY]

I have been lurking since the draft and now I feel I need to post. I go to Memphis, and have seen the likes of Rose and Evans the last couple years. Been to every home game for the last 3 years. Seen most away games that were televised.

Discussions on whether or not Evans is a point guard has been going on a lot longer than it has here. Memphis Tiger forums was inundated with the same thing last year. Most agree he is a combo guard and when he was given the ball he won. Will it work in the NBA? Not sure. The problems I saw with Evans is that he's ineffective without the ball. He was our top player last season and he wasn't getting the ball enough. So the coaching staff moved him to the point guard position. Not because he was our best at distribution but because he was our most effective all around player and your most effective player in the college game should have the ball. I think he can play the point guard position in the NBA but I don't know how effective he will be. He was also a bit laxidasical when guarding small fast players relying on his size and long arms to get the job done but overall he is a decent defender when the players he defends are bigger, which they will be in the NBA.

Point guard or no point guard? I would call him a combo guard that's learning how to play the point. In order for him to become an effective point guard he's going to need to limit the dumb turnovers, get others involved, have better court vision, and learn to shoot the outside shot. After seeing the first 3 games of summer league it looks as if he's back in college.

What worries me the most about a guy like Evans is that he needs the ball to be effective. He probably wont make a good shooting guard if the point guard experiment doesn't work out because he wasn't very good at moving without the ball. Kind of stood around waiting for the game to come to him. When it didn't he just watched the game. Plus he needs to develop a outside game to extend the defense if moved to shooting guard. When playing shooting guard and got the ball he became somewhat of a blackhole and just drove it. Evans is a good player don't get me wrong. He just isn't much of a playmaker yet. He will get you rebounds and play some decent defense. But don't think he's the playmaker like traditional point guards or you will get dissapointed.

Don't know what else to say. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Although all of the things you mentioned about Evans are things I've already read from other posts, it is actually nice to have validated these things from someone who more or less actually followed the Kid in College. You seem credible enough and I believe what you are saying, especially the objective part of your post.

Now, the question:

In your opinion, how tough can Evans be both mentally and physically?

Is he the sort of a player who plays 100% all the time irregardless of how bad the whole team is playing? I mean, is he the Jordan, Kobe, Wade type of player who wants no less than a win every game no matter what?

I ask you this question because it seems like Evans has excellent talent and physical tools to become a Superstar eventually. But I am afraid the Kid might not have that natural swagger/killer instinct in his blood, or he might not be that mentally competitive enough to cut it.

 

[DocHolliday]

If Sergio gets the backup spot and Evans is starting, and everything is ok by the trade deadline. I think it would be very likely that you could see a KT Beno package for some other expirings, or to get at least one piece back that the Kings could use with expirings.

 

[drboiffard]

If Sergio gets the backup spot and Evans is starting, and everything is ok by the trade deadline. I think it would be very likely that you could see a KT Beno package for some other expirings, or to get at least one piece back that the Kings could use with expirings.

I think Beno it's a little bit out-of-system with Westphal on the bench, so I see that possibility.

I mean, maybe Beno is a little bit better than Sergio in overall (sergio's defense is bad) but in a running system Sergio fits much better than the I-keep-the-ball-during-an-hour slovenian. With Westphal on the bench, I think there's no much Beno vs Sergio discussion. Maybe it's wishful thinking because I want Sergio to play, but the Westphal point makes it a little bit more factible to be him and not Udrih the backup PG. I don't know, maybe Udrih reacts to the competition for the PG position and he tries to play as the first year, but even considering that, we have Tyreke as a raw superstar and Sergio who is ultramotivated with the trade to Sac, so I see it clear.

So it all depends on how fast Evans can adapt to a starting PG role and the NBA rythm. But I'd bet for a Udrih-and-someone-else trade in february. Maybe for expirngs and/or other young players.

 

[AriesMar27]

I find it odd that it seems as if you're rooting for Evans to fail. How can you not be excited to see this guy in action during the regular season after he performance through three games, and why do you want Sergio starting over him?

I don't think it's that much of a stretch to give a top five pick an immediate spot in the starting lineup. Most teams that draft that high aren't very good, and top 5 players are generally impact rookies.

It's like you're just pulling up random possible scenarios without anything solid to back them up. So far in SL haven't seen any evidence of poor passes or poor decision making on Evans' part.

beasley was the number 2 pick and came off the bench after a slow start... oden came off the bench after coming back from injury due to a slow start, its not uncommon for a rookie to come off the bench after a slow start... i dont want evans to fail, i dont know how many times i have to say that... but i dont think that he's a pg, if/when it happens and everyone realizes that he isnt a pg. how long do they stick with him at the point? like jennings, i think that sergio is a better pg than evans. is that so wrong to think that someone else is a better pg than evans? i didnt say that they were better players, just better pgs... damn...

 

[Kingsguy881]

beasley was the number 2 pick and came off the bench after a slow start... oden came off the bench after coming back from injury due to a slow start, its not uncommon for a rookie to come off the bench after a slow start... i dont want evans to fail, i dont know how many times i have to say that... but i dont think that he's a pg, if/when it happens and everyone realizes that he isnt a pg. how long do they stick with him at the point? like jennings, i think that sergio is a better pg than evans. is that so wrong to think that someone else is a better pg than evans? i didnt say that they were better players, just better pgs... damn...

If you don't want Evans to fail.....you are doing a damn fine job of arguing for his failure.

 

[sidney]

beasley was the number 2 pick and came off the bench after a slow start... oden came off the bench after coming back from injury due to a slow start, its not uncommon for a rookie to come off the bench after a slow start... i dont want evans to fail, i dont know how many times i have to say that... but i dont think that he's a pg, if/when it happens and everyone realizes that he isnt a pg. how long do they stick with him at the point? like jennings, i think that sergio is a better pg than evans. is that so wrong to think that someone else is a better pg than evans? i didnt say that they were better players, just better pgs... damn...

I wanted a creative playmaker like Rubio over Evans because guys like Martin. JT, and Hawes NEED a guy running the team, making plays happen, and getting them the ball in just the right spot. That ship has sailed though.

Evans is our guy now and his elite talent is getting to the rim and overpowering opposing players on offense and defense. Don't discount that skill just because his creative passing ability and court vision is not elite. His elite skills will be a major weapon and should open up opportunities but just how well it all works together remains to be seen.

Anyway, sitting him on the bench considering our PG situation would be idiotic. Give the kid the keys and see what he can do this year. He's a top 5 pick on a horrible team with a fanbase that lost interest last year playing a position we were incredibly weak at.

 

[AriesMar27]

I wanted a creative playmaker like Rubio over Evans because guys like Martin. JT, and Hawes NEED a guy running the team, making plays happen, and getting them the ball in just the right spot. That ship has sailed though.

Evans is our guy now and his elite talent is getting to the rim and overpowering opposing players on offense and defense. Don't discount that skill just because his creative passing ability and court vision is not elite. His elite skills will be a major weapon and should open up opportunities but just how well it all works together remains to be seen.

Anyway, sitting him on the bench considering our PG situation would be idiotic. Give the kid the keys and see what he can do this year. He's a top 5 pick on a horrible team with a fanbase that lost interest last year playing a position we were incredibly weak at.

and thats fine, letting him get his feet wet by starting him at pg... but my question was simply how long do we wait before saying, "okay, he isnt a pg... what next?" i just dont see him as a pg for reasons that i have mentioned multiple times. how long do we run with him at the point if he doesnt respond well in the beginning? he can still learn a lot coming off the bench. it didnt hurt ben gordon... manu... gerald wallace... instead of the pressure of being the man they were given free reign to do what they want off the bench. which would be a good idea for evans. if he has the passing skills why not let him score and run the offense off the bench where he would have an obvious size and skill advantage over most bench players...

 

[drboiffard]

AriesMar27 have a point. I don't know why it has to be black or white.

I haven't seen Tyreke play (only in youtube) but I think the guy would become a ball handling - SG (as Brandon Roy in Blazers) more than a PG. I mean, I guess it must have been a pain seeing Beno these last two years that you people want to believe that Tyreke becomes a superstar PG, but hey, if he don't, there's no drama. Sergio can handle the ball as a pure PG much better than Beno, he can play as backup PG, but he can play as well with Evans in court (as Blake plays as PG with Roy as SG). He has to improve the D, but hey, in attack he will do it much better than Beno.

I think there are so many possibilities in the rotations right now, and we don't know which of them would work better until the season starts. I mean, if Evans improves his court vision and passing ability, good. If he don't and he develops himself more as a SG, hey, we have a good enough true PG (Sergio) and still have Beno, so good too.

I said my first day here in the forum that I thought that picking up Sergio + Evans instead of Rubio was a very intelligent move precissely because of this. Maybe it sounded ridiculous if you have the business in mind, I know, but having Rubio + Sergio would have supossed a lot less flexibility right now. Sergio is what the team needs RIGHT NOW if you take out Evans from the equation, as the creative PG he is, playing with Martin and Hawes and moving the ball precissely. Evans can evolve into a pure PG, but he can also be effective RIGHT NOW by playing himself as a SG who makes out his own shoots.

I mean, the worst case is: if Evans doesn't finally work as a "team engine" PG, with Martin and Hawes, Sergio will do it good enough. And you still have Evans as a ****ing scoring machine as 6th man.

 

[sidney]

but my question was simply how long do we wait before saying, "okay, he isnt a pg... what next?"

That's a fair question to ask halfway through the season after he has shown he can't handle the point, not now.

Most fans (and obviously the front office and coach) are entertaining the possibility that...you know...he could do well at PG even if he isn't a traditional one. Kind of crazy.

 

[Bricklayer]

As an aside, all these people saying Hawes needs a pure PG could hardly have picked a more inappropriate center for that argument. Kevin yes. Jason quite possibly -- not convinced of his talent at creating his own shots. Noc, Cisco, roleplayer types. But Spencer can get a shot up from just about anywhere. He doesn't need to be set up perfectly because he has as many or more shots than any other center in the game right now -- not an exaggeration. All he needs is a simple post entry or pick and roll pass, and from the little I've seen Evans is more than competent enough to deliver those.

Basically the people who need a pure PG are the ones who struggle to create their own shot. The off the ball movers, the roleplayers. And even they often do well when surrounding a great big or superstar type player like a Shaq or Yao or LeBron -- just as long as whoever it is is good enough to draw attention away from them and smart enough to hit them when they are open. Hawes on the other hand just needs somebody who can get him the ball, not somebody who can set him up perfectly. He can take care of that himself.,

 

[Entity]

I have one problem. I know I keep seeing where Kevin needs a pure pg and needs to be set up. Well he had beno last year and bibby and Artest before that in which he wasn't the first option. yet he still averaged over 20ppg and made ppl quite happy with his offense. Sooo in saying that are you saying that Kevin needs a pure pg to get 30ppg or what. I am not so sure of that argument. I mean I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say about Kevin needing the pure pg. because he has done well without for the last 3 years.

 

[NME]

and thats fine, letting him get his feet wet by starting him at pg... but my question was simply how long do we wait before saying, "okay, he isnt a pg... what next?"

2 years, 3 months, 9 days, 11 hours, 27 minutes.