Trade some assets to get 2 picks inside the top 10 of 2009 drafts

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Looking at the standings, there are some teams of the slated for top 10 lottery positions which are not supposed to be lottery bound based on their veteran loaded lineup. These are the Warriors(7th) and the Clippers(4th). Provided there will be no season changing injuries, these teams could easily get through the playoff next season. And with all starter spots already filled by solid vets, I believe they might be willing to trade this years pick for maybe future drafts or some vets package. Here's some options I can think to get these picks from either team.

1.) Trade our 2010 top pick (top 3 protected only) for their current pick. I think this offer will be enticing considering we will still be a young team next season and most likely the pick will still be within the top 10. And if we are able to pick at least 3(including Houston's) in this year's draft our roster will be very young that opting for a vet will be a much better option towards contention rather than getting another rookie by 2010.

2.) Trade some good vets (Nocioni/Garcia/Udrih) for their pick and some filler. These are win now teams for next season and adding more seasoned vets will certainly solidify their roster.

3.) Trade Donte and filler/cash for their pick. I hate this but some teams may get interest on Donte as he could easily enter the top 10 if he declared only this season.

If either will push through, I'm betting on either Rubio/Jennings plus Thabeet. This, I would say would officially close our rebuilding.
 
KingsCitizen said:
Looking at the standings, there are some teams of the slated for top 10 lottery positions which are not supposed to be lottery bound based on their veteran loaded lineup. These are the Warriors(7th) and the Clippers(4th). Provided there will be no season changing injuries, these teams could easily get through the playoff next season. And with all starter spots already filled by solid vets, I believe they might be willing to trade this years pick for maybe future drafts or some vets package. Here's some options I can think to get these picks from either team.

1.) Trade our 2010 top pick (top 3 protected only) for their current pick. I think this offer will be enticing considering we will still be a young team next season and most likely the pick will still be within the top 10. And if we are able to pick at least 3(including Houston's) in this year's draft our roster will be very young that opting for a vet will be a much better option towards contention rather than getting another rookie by 2010.

2.) Trade some good vets (Nocioni/Garcia/Udrih) for their pick and some filler. These are win now teams for next season and adding more seasoned vets will certainly solidify their roster.

3.) Trade Donte and filler/cash for their pick. I hate this but some teams may get interest on Donte as he could easily enter the top 10 if he declared only this season.

If either will push through, I'm betting on either Rubio/Jennings plus Thabeet. This, I would say would officially close our rebuilding.
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I think you are the only one I have heard thinking the Warriors and the Might Clip should be in the PO.

With the poorest draft in a while, why would we trade a future pick to get another in this draft? I'd rather have it in a stronger draft year.
 
Warhawk said:
I think you are the only one I have heard thinking the Warriors and the Might Clip should be in the PO.

With the poorest draft in a while, why would we trade a future pick to get another in this draft? I'd rather have it in a stronger draft year.
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Was literally gonna post the exact same thing. Agreed 100%
 
I would consider it, exactly on your theory that we could call the main rebuild closed and start back up. Rather thann a slow trickle of draft picks whihc keep us restocked but never allow us to reach critical mass, load up on all the kids now, and then switch gears and try to build a winner around them. But it would have to be for the right guy. this draft is probably too weak to just be stocking draft picks and hoping your guy is going to be there.
 
Warhawk said:
I think you are the only one I have heard thinking the Warriors and the Might Clip should be in the PO.

With the poorest draft in a while, why would we trade a future pick to get another in this draft? I'd rather have it in a stronger draft year.
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lol ditto. we'd be foolish to trade a future pick when we KNOW we suck next yr which will result in a high draft pick. I read somewhere that a lotto team woyld be willong to sell their pick to avoid the cap hit. y not try to buy a pick? I believe chicago bought the suns pick which resulted in luol deng. portland has been active in that mkt as well.
 
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I agree with bricklayer. This rebuild is almost over, no need to look to future drafts. This is the one in which we have thrown our hats, like it or not. We need us a superstar that plays defense, a couple of good well adjusted roleplayers and we're about done.

P.S. they all have to be about 22-26.
 
ryanandty said:
I agree with bricklayer. This rebuild is almost over, no need to look to future drafts. This is the one in which we have thrown our hats, like it or not. We need us a superstar that plays defense, a couple of good well adjusted roleplayers and we're about done.

P.S. they all have to be about 22-26.
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That is completely wrong. We are nowhere close to being near the end of the rebuild. We are last in the standings, we don't play D, we have a coach that no one knew of before this year, and no one knows how our young players(Spencer, JT, Donte) will develop.
 
They're actually not bad ideas, but #1 I'd rather not do unless it was top 14 protected. #2 I'd love to do, get a high draft pick out of it and couple it with our Houston pick and hopefully lower our draft position hopefully... #3 - I don't want to trade Donte... But I would on a case by case basis...
 
vikinginferno said:
That is completely wrong. We are nowhere close to being near the end of the rebuild. We are last in the standings, we don't play D, we have a coach that no one knew of before this year, and no one knows how our young players(Spencer, JT, Donte) will develop.
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In order to rebuild a house torn apart by the hurricane of the tanked economy, you need the bricks and frames and joists. The kids are the bricks, Kevin/Cisco/BJax are the joists to hold it together and Coach should be (build) the framework. We have most of the bricks. Another top rookie (starter?) and maybe a vet (Joist) and the rebuilding IS about over. Then it will take 2 more years to build the house again. All depends on how Coach Natt (and Coachie of course) work with the kids and vets (bricks and joists) to see if the framework will not only hold the house together but maybe win an award in 2 years (make the playoffs)?
 
CruzDude said:
In order to rebuild a house torn apart by the hurricane of the tanked economy, you need the bricks and frames and joists. The kids are the bricks, Kevin/Cisco/BJax are the joists to hold it together and Coach should be (build) the framework. We have most of the bricks. Another top rookie (starter?) and maybe a vet (Joist) and the rebuilding IS about over. Then it will take 2 more years to build the house again. All depends on how Coach Natt (and Coachie of course) work with the kids and vets (bricks and joists) to see if the framework will not only hold the house together but maybe win an award in 2 years (make the playoffs)?
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LOL. Yeah, if what we're trying to build is a shack sure, it's just about over. Can't wait for a future of perennial first round exits, what a treat.
 
Bricklayer said:
I would consider it, exactly on your theory that we could call the main rebuild closed and start back up. Rather thann a slow trickle of draft picks whihc keep us restocked but never allow us to reach critical mass, load up on all the kids now, and then switch gears and try to build a winner around them. But it would have to be for the right guy. this draft is probably too weak to just be stocking draft picks and hoping your guy is going to be there.
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Yep. To me, that's the fatal flaw with this plan.
 
This draft maybe too weak that the difference between those inside the top 10 and the next 10 players might be by a mile. So that's why I think its better to get 2 picks inside the top 10 like when Oklahoma got both Durant and Green for a surprising trade to Boston. No one have expected that move from Boston who were even total cellar dwellers the season before that. I mean, you just can't read too much how some GM will think during that draft day. So it might be worth a try. The Clippers are already loaded with veteran talents (Kaman, Camby, Randolph, Davis, Ricky Davis, Thornton, even Gordon) so are the Warriors(Biedrins, Monta, Jackson, Maggette, Crawford). So "most likely" they might just be willing to skip this years draft if they can get an immediate contributor or any future assets.

If Rubio will declare, there will mostly likely be at least all-star players that will come from this draft. The rest of those inside the top 10 will more likely still be solid contributors even if possibly a lot from this draft will have a very short NBA careers.

If we for example if we can pick Rubio and Thabeet inside the top 10. The roster will be:

C - Hawes/Thabeet
PF - Thompson/Diogu*
SF - Nocioni/Greene
SG - Martin/Garcia/McCants*
PG - Rubio/Udrih

Now you just get a coach that can preach a good system and who will eventually last longer than 3 years. And you already have a young team that can grow together. Also that will still be a team under the cap, which means there is still possibility to add a solid FA or a possible trade for stars with bigger salaries using Kenny's contract. You will no longer need to add another rookie to that team that's why our 2010 pick may just be expendable.
 
Vlade4GM said:
LOL. Yeah, if what we're trying to build is a shack sure, it's just about over. Can't wait for a future of perennial first round exits, what a treat.
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You're wrong. You can't just lose every damn season and collect top 5 picks over and over again. That doesn't work. You have been on this same schtick for 3 years now and for the forseeable future, you want to keep being the worst team in the league? Sorry but that is never going to get you any better. To be a good team you need a combination of coaching/draft/trades/FA. No team out there besides maybe Portland has done what you're proposing and been a winner. What team in the playoffs has built the way you're advocating besides maybe Portland?
 
BMiller52 said:
You're wrong. You can't just lose every damn season and collect top 5 picks over and over again. That doesn't work. You have been on this same schtick for 3 years now and for the forseeable future, you want to keep being the worst team in the league? Sorry but that is never going to get you any better. To be a good team you need a combination of coaching/draft/trades/FA. No team out there besides maybe Portland has done what you're proposing and been a winner. What team in the playoffs has built the way you're advocating besides maybe Portland?
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I'm only advocating that we go for a championship, and adding a top pick from this draft to what we already have and then throwing in time and a real coach is more than likely not going to produce a team that has championship potential. If it's the right time to make a strong push to finish off our rebuilding mode then I'm all for it, but right now, this draft, is not likely to be that finishing touch. You have to make your push at the right time, not just when we're tired of losing, or else you set your franchise back even further chasing an unrealistic fantasy.
 
KingsCitizen said:
This draft maybe too weak that the difference between those inside the top 10 and the next 10 players might be by a mile. So that's why I think its better to get 2 picks inside the top 10 like when Oklahoma got both Durant and Green for a surprising trade to Boston. No one have expected that move from Boston who were even total cellar dwellers the season before that. I mean, you just can't read too much how some GM will think during that draft day. So it might be worth a try. The Clippers are already loaded with veteran talents (Kaman, Camby, Randolph, Davis, Ricky Davis, Thornton, even Gordon) so are the Warriors(Biedrins, Monta, Jackson, Maggette, Crawford). So "most likely" they might just be willing to skip this years draft if they can get an immediate contributor or any future assets.

If Rubio will declare, there will mostly likely be at least all-star players that will come from this draft. The rest of those inside the top 10 will more likely still be solid contributors even if possibly a lot from this draft will have a very short NBA careers.

If we for example if we can pick Rubio and Thabeet inside the top 10. The roster will be:

C - Hawes/Thabeet
PF - Thompson/Diogu*
SF - Nocioni/Greene
SG - Martin/Garcia/McCants*
PG - Rubio/Udrih

Now you just get a coach that can preach a good system and who will eventually last longer than 3 years. And you already have a young team that can grow together. Also that will still be a team under the cap, which means there is still possibility to add a solid FA or a possible trade for stars with bigger salaries using Kenny's contract. You will no longer need to add another rookie to that team that's why our 2010 pick may just be expendable.
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I would much rather draft Griffin/Teague or here's another move I would like to do:

Trade KMart/Nocioni to Wizards for their pick+Nick Young. We would instantly get much younger, get rid of Noc's contract, and have 2 top 4 picks in this year's draft. We could likely have Blake Griffin and Jeff Teague or even maybe Rubio.

The Wizards with Arenas and Etan Thomas back would be in the playoffs and could be a very dangerous team. They would have: Arenas/KMart/Butler/Jamison/Thomas. They would have Noc as a great energy player off the bench.
 
it would be a good idea if it were idea #2... if a team wants to take nocioni, garcia or beno off our hands for a pick that sounds cool. i wonder if the suns are done with nash or amare? hell for the right deal we could trade for both. beno/nocioni/thomas/thompson/greene for nash/amare/pick... both nash and amare would be expiring contracts since neither one would want to stay in sacramento and it gets us out of nocioni and benos contracts. worst case scenario we could trade one (nash/amare) of them by trade deadline and still suck enough to get a good pick and hella cap space.
 
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BMiller52 said:
You're wrong. You can't just lose every damn season and collect top 5 picks over and over again. That doesn't work. You have been on this same schtick for 3 years now and for the forseeable future, you want to keep being the worst team in the league? Sorry but that is never going to get you any better. To be a good team you need a combination of coaching/draft/trades/FA. No team out there besides maybe Portland has done what you're proposing and been a winner. What team in the playoffs has built the way you're advocating besides maybe Portland?
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you get lucky in a year where you land a derrick rose, shaq, duncan, dwight and your rebuild is all that much faster. we need one of those, however we decided to blow when the draft class blows also.
 
vikinginferno said:
I would much rather draft Griffin/Teague or here's another move I would like to do:

Trade KMart/Nocioni to Wizards for their pick+Nick Young. We would instantly get much younger, get rid of Noc's contract, and have 2 top 4 picks in this year's draft. We could likely have Blake Griffin and Jeff Teague or even maybe Rubio.

The Wizards with Arenas and Etan Thomas back would be in the playoffs and could be a very dangerous team. They would have: Arenas/KMart/Butler/Jamison/Thomas. They would have Noc as a great energy player off the bench.
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lol, the wizards would do taht in a heartbeat. get a 26 yo that is proven scorer for a unknown and a young guard who might or might not be as good is a total lopsided trade.

noc's fire is good for our young players. thats the type of vet i don't mind having around in the locker room. his passion and fire is rubbing off on some of the other players which is a good thing to have.
 
I liked the idea of shuffling our picks around to get two top 10 picks (and posted something similar in another topic) up until I heard that Greg Monroe was potentially pulling out of the draft. If we can somehow trade the Houston pick and some other asset (or cash considerations?) for another top 10 pick to get a potential sleeper like Monroe, I think we'd be better off than waiting to see who falls to us in the early 20s. Especially if we end up going PG with our first pick. But that plan is entirely contingent on the players involved. This is a pretty weak draft unfortunately, so you'd be looking to pull two diamond in the rough picks which is a lot to hope for unless there are specific players you are already targeting who make the gamble worth it. I would be much happier though with Thabeet and Jennings or Griffin and Teague for example than any of those guys on their own. At least then you aren't throwing all your eggs in the same basket. Since we've already got two picks anyway, that seems like the best way to maximize our impact with this draft.

The perception that it's a weak draft actually helps us in this regard. Maybe other teams will be more willing to let their mid to late lottery pick go for a young player like Garcia or a roleplayer like Nocioni and a mid 20s pick. I'd stop short of offering our 2010 first round pick though. We still need that pick regardless of what happens this year.
 
I'm all for getting two top 10's. Not much love for Curry on this board but he's gonna be solid I think. Grab him, Jennings, or Teague with one pick and Hill or Thabeet with the other pick and the draft is looking solid.
 
roasthawg said:
I'm all for getting two top 10's. Not much love for Curry on this board but he's gonna be solid I think. Grab him, Jennings, or Teague with one pick and Hill or Thabeet with the other pick and the draft is looking solid.
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I agree that Curry is likely going to be a great scorer in the NBA, but how would he fit in on the Kings? I don't like him as a PG and he can't just back up KMart.
 
Warhawk said:
With the poorest draft in a while, why would we trade a future pick to get another in this draft? I'd rather have it in a stronger draft year.
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This is the glaring truth about this years draft. Kings need a PG and a "big" who can score and defend. Griffin might take care of the "Big" need but our Kingies need an energetic, pass first floor leader ready for the NBA. That is NOT Jennings for one second.

The PG's for the moment are:

Stephen Curry, a Jr. out of Davidson, a mid-major school (like Rider?), ranked 7-9 in the draft, is true 6-3. DraftExpress had this to say about him: " Although he’s probably never going to be a pure playmaker in the Steve Nash or Chris Paul mold, he plays the game at an excellent pace, looks extremely poised at all times, and appears to show a good enough feel for the game to at least develop into a capable facilitator, ala Mike Bibby or Mo Williams."

Ty Lawson, a Jr. at North Carolina ranked 13-15 range, only 5-11 but has nearly 5:1 Ast/TO ratio and 6.5 ast/gm. But has no mid-range game or as DraftExpress says, "....showing little effectiveness with pull-up shots or floaters", an essential need for a PG.

I don't put Jeff Teague in this group as he is too out-of-control much of the time in the run-run-run Wake Forest offense. Not a good defender.

So I like the package of Kings #1 (top 3 protected) and one/two of the Kings bench players to trade down for Curry. If Kings don't get #1/Griffin, then its all a moot point as the Houston pick around 20-23 will be of little help.
 
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CruzDude said:
This is the glaring truth about this years draft. Kings need a PG and a "big" who can score and defend. Griffin might take care of the "Big" need but our Kingies need an energetic, pass first floor leader ready for the NBA. That is NOT Jennings for one second.

The PG's for the moment are:

Stephen Curry, a Jr. out of Davidson, a mid-major school (like Rider?), ranked 7-9 in the draft, is true 6-3. DraftExpress had this to say about him: " Although he’s probably never going to be a pure playmaker in the Steve Nash or Chris Paul mold, he plays the game at an excellent pace, looks extremely poised at all times, and appears to show a good enough feel for the game to at least develop into a capable facilitator, ala Mike Bibby or Mo Williams."

Ty Lawson, a Jr. at North Carolina ranked 13-15 range, only 5-11 but has nearly 5:1 Ast/TO ratio and 6.5 ast/gm. But has no mid-range game or as DraftExpress says, "....showing little effectiveness with pull-up shots or floaters", an essential need for a PG.

I don't put Jeff Teague in this group as he is too out-of-control much of the time in the run-run-run Wake Forest offense. Not a good defender.

So I like the package of Kings #1 (top 3 protected) and one/two of the Kings bench players to trade down for Curry. If Kings don't get #1/Griffin, then its all a moot point as the Houston pick around 20-23 will be of little help.
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I know that Patrick Mills has been injured, but I still believe that he has the potential to be a good pt guard in the NBA. I like him better than Lawson. I'm curious if anyone has paid any attention to Lucas, the pt guard for Mich. St. Not sure of his height, but the dude is really quick and plays with very good composure.
 
just had a question. might be off topic since he's not a top 10 pick, but draft express has us picking collison with houstons pick. whats wrong with picking him up as opposed to trading for a top 10 pick in hopes of possibly getting one of the other pg's. hes more of a true pg and they lists his strengths being decision making, ball handling skills, commitment to def etc. these seem like traits we would look for in a pg. i know his ceiling might not be as high as others mentioned but curry isnt a true pg and collison is a bit taller than lawson. i know that doesnt equal better than the other two but i think he can contribute. that way we have a backup incase we try to get rid of beno and we dont lose next years pick or donte or whatever.
 
I love collison but only problem with him is his size. He got over powered by Rose pretty bad in the final four game so that would be a conern on defensive end. On offense he's great.
 
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