The pull up is not rocket science.

[Showtime]

Evans and Donte need to realize this. As soon as they get by their man, either from a screen or dribble move, they have tunnel vision to the rim. Many of their turnovers are from charges. It's not hard to pull up once one creates space, as shown by Beno's use of the shot to great effect (and Billups, and Cassell, etc). I don't get why the pros in the league have such a hard time grasping simple concepts like this.

 

[6th]

Evans and Donte need to realize this. As soon as they get by their man, either from a screen or dribble move, they have tunnel vision to the rim. Many of their turnovers are from charges. It's not hard to pull up once one creates space, as shown by Beno's use of the shot to great effect (and Billups, and Cassell, etc). I don't get why the pros in the league have such a hard time grasping simple concepts like this.

You are absolutely correct......and I don't get why they fail to pull up either.

 

[Spike]

It will come with maturity. Whenever maturity comes is another question. Beno's been around a while, chalk it up to knowing the situation or realizing your physical limitations, or whatever.
As Brickie said, "Evans is a jumper away from making the league his personal chew-toy," or something to that effect. Hopefully Coachie will work with him to help get that down.

 

[Kingster]

They don't do it, because they haven't practiced it enough to do it.

The fact that it isn't rocket science means that in a year or two we should see Tyreke do it on a regular basis, and become unstoppable. It's a lot more difficult for a 6'10" with momentum to get a pull up jumper, but I bet Donte could get pretty good at it with practice.

 

[Bricklayer]

two things:

1) its really not as easy as its made out -- its not like you just walk out and suddenly elarn how to stop, gather yourself, and hit a short range jumper you have rarely taken befor ein your life

2) at least in Evans case you don't WANT him to take too many of those. Be a nice weapon to have in his arsenal of course, but I was actually going to start a thread here pretty soon using a site that does where they take their shots stats. Evans distribution at the moemnt is very similar to Dwayne Wade and Lebron James. meaning he takes it to the hole, then takes it to the hole some more. Puts trememndous pressure on you. He does need a little pullup to complete things, but you never want him to make it a staple. Leave that shot to the guys without the gifted power game.

Dont'e a little differnet -- this whole crazy driver thing is a new invention fro him, and he's kind of overcorrected away form senseless three point bombing. for him the inbetween shot will be a welcome sign of maturity and rounding things out.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I see what you are saying but Evans has finishing ability to go with that tunnel vision. He is a pretty savvy player, he will figure out how to avoid some of those. Donte on the other hand needs to slow down his game and simplify things a bit since he can't finish like Evans.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

tyreke has trouble because hes so dominant going to the basket.. he will learn the floater and pull up and he WILL be unstoppable on the drive.

Props to JT tonight, that kid played great.. putin up webber numbers.

Love dis team!

Eat it Jennings.

 

[CruzDude]

Learning to do a pull up jumper cuts down on the charges of which there were 5 tonight against Tyreke and Donte trying to go to the "cup" when a pull up would have added points. But you're also right about the maturity aspect too. Ya gotta learn and getting hammered a few times should make the point a bit more obvious. Jerry Reynolds brought up the exact same thing and he is in a position to know.

Then as we wipe the egg off our faces, Tyreke wins the game on an amazing drive to the cup faking Bogut entirely out of the way.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Ever since 3 pt line was made part of basketball it seems a lot players stand around the arc waiting for someone to give them to ball to hoist it up from way out there. After all, they could stand say 3-5 feet or so inside the line for an easier shot plus closer for the rebound. Because of the threeeee! interior passing is a lost art and screens and the old pick and roll much more about going to the rim for potential WoW the fans dunk. Also, European style of basketball is far more about guard penetration, passing and high FG% shooting - again a lost art out there on the rim rattling playgrounds of this country.

Finally, Donte Greene was born in Germany as a U.S. military dependent. Maybe it was ultimately unlucky that he moved back here as a tiny tot. Imagine what the dude would be like today if he'd actually grown up in Europe and maybe played against someone like Dirk Nowitzki as a teen. I suppose he might have a deadly inside out game and be able to pull up from 15-18 feet with relative ease like Beno Udrih. Just a thought

 

[bajaden]

The difference between what a player does in his rookie year and what he does in his third or fourth year is the difference between black and white. Tyreke is a fast learner, so I don't think it will remain a problem. Greene on the other hand may take a little longer, since this driving to the basket is a new thing to him. However the difference between Greene this year and last year is enormus. So keep on driving dude. I'd rather see you do that than stand out there and pop three's all night long.

 

[Kingster]

The difference between what a player does in his rookie year and what he does in his third or fourth year is the difference between black and white. Tyreke is a fast learner, so I don't think it will remain a problem. Greene on the other hand may take a little longer, since this driving to the basket is a new thing to him. However the difference between Greene this year and last year is enormus. So keep on driving dude. I'd rather see you do that than stand out there and pop three's all night long.

Totally agree. I like the fact that Greene is expanding his game and Westphal is allowing him to do it, rather than pidgeonhole him. This experiment at the 2 is going to help him imo when he plays he goes back to playing the three. A three with the ability to drive and finish is what you want, not a guy who settles for outside shots.

 

[AriesMar27]

a running floater would be nice... i miss the days where bibby would just toss the ball over the opposing center and it would just go in. he doesnt do it anymore... though donte might be a bit too tall for a floater, hell he might be too tall for a pull up jumper. one more step forward and he can just lay it in. he should work on his body control when he is in the air.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

a running floater would be nice... i miss the days where bibby would just toss the ball over the opposing center and it would just go in. he doesnt do it anymore... though donte might be a bit too tall for a floater, hell he might be too tall for a pull up jumper. one more step forward and he can just lay it in. he should work on his body control when he is in the air.

Didn't Casspi make a few floaters over Bogut last night?

 

[PurpleHaze]

Didn't Casspi make a few floaters over Bogut last night?

At least a couple and he's been making those all season, plus now much improved FT shooting - back to his normal self. Just another reason Omri is more of a polished and experienced professional basketball player than inconsistent Donte Greene. Plus, Casspi's defensive intensity on the court is off the charts.

 

[AriesMar27]

Didn't Casspi make a few floaters over Bogut last night?

Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. It's way better than getting called for a charge.

 

[Bricklayer]

Plus, Casspi's defensive intensity on the court is off the charts.

Well on that front Donte is actually the better defender, wiht the opportunity to be better yet. He could one day be an impact guy there if he keeps his focus.

No comparison in the polish otherwise of course. Casspi is already a good NBA player. Donte has the potential to be a great one, but is still a long way off and just so raw. Other than Boeheim don't know who his early coaches were, but they didn't do much of a job.