Team a work in progress/booing (merged)

VF21 said:
Whatever.

The Maloofs made fools of themselves by fawning after Phil Jackson. He was NOT going to come to Sacramento. If they had read his book, they would have known that. If they had bothered to talk with Petrie, they would have known that. They did neither apparently. Instead, they chased after a castle in the sky, alienated a certain percentage of the fan base and pretty much insulted a coach who took their team from anonymity to an OT game 7 of the WCF.

And I don't agree that it's a matter of finding a coach to lead. You need leaders from within. Platoon leaders, class leaders, etc. People who lead from within as part of the group.

I agree with Bricklayer. Phil Jackson is NOT a leader in the sense of the word most of us are talking about. He's a coach. You don't elect a teacher as class president; you don't select a coach as team leader. True leadership that players will follow generally comes from within, not from without.
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Hey I am not defending the Maloofs they did it the wrong way.
 
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AleksandarN said:
Hey I am defending the Maloofs they did it the wrong way.
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I'm condemning Joe Maloof for taking a stupid action that is still causing ripples in the space time continuum. IMHO he should have known better.

BUT as I've said several times, this isn't about Phil Jackson. We had that conversation back in the summer and nothing has changed.

This is about the Kings NOW and what can and cannot be done to right the USS Sacramento Kings before it's dashed to bits on the rocks of NBA mediocrity. Phil Jackson simply doesn't have a horse in this race.

(And I want to compliment myself for the use of three totally different and possibly immeasurably confusing metaphors in one thread.)

;)
 
This is a classic situation where the highly-paid and pampered players fail to perform and the coach gets fired. It is also a classic case where the owners and general manager put together a team that can not win, and again the coach gets fired. Budget constraints, trades, arena issues, injuries, defections, and the coach gets fired.

The replacement coach will not be as good as Adelman. The Kings will continue to lose.
 
quick dog said:
This is a classic situation where the highly-paid and pampered players fail to perform and the coach gets fired. It is also a classic case where the owners and general manager put together a team that can not win, and again the coach gets fired. Budget constraints, trades, arena issues, injuries, defections, and the coach gets fired.

The replacement coach will not be as good as Adelman. The Kings will continue to lose.
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qd, one of the most spot on posts you have written. I agree 100%.
 
Bricklayer said:
The Maloofs tried that before we even knew what this team was going to look like. So its nto as if it was in response to anything.

Nor were the Maloofs making a move for a "leader". They were making a move for a name. Or at least one of them was (it was apparently joe's idea without consulting Gavin). I suspect as much their shallowness and love of glam and flash as any assessment of basketball needs.
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But what makes a leader? In my defination is that a person who can make people who have different personatities come together to achive a goal and be able to rememdy the situation differently depending what kind of personality in the group .
 
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quick dog said:
This is a classic situation where the highly-paid and pampered players fail to perform and the coach gets fired. It is also a classic case where the owners and general manager put together a team that can not win, and again the coach gets fired. Budget constraints, trades, arena issues, injuries, defections, and the coach gets fired.

The replacement coach will not be as good as Adelman. The Kings will continue to lose.
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I agree. Adelman is not the problem. The players are. If Mike Bibby would rather polish his finger nails than listen to the coach and watch the play he is coming up with then Mike Bibby needs to eb traded. If Adelman tells Pedja to dive for a loose ball and Pedja watches on instead of following orders then Pedja needs to be traded.

Coach is only as good as the cattle he has at his dosposal. Adelman quite simply doesn't have the players he needs to be 50 win teams. This roster has a lot of talent on it but its not a team. Its a bunch of mismatched pieces thrown together in a hope they function well together. In recent times we have never been this soft in side, We have never been this soft full stop.

IMHO, coach is not the problems. Its the players that think they are god's gift to basketball and don't listen to what they are being told.
 
Bricklayer said:
And I hardly think you could say that Jackson has shown any ability to lead teams without forceful personalities anyway. He's never had to. he's been blessed with some of the greatest competitors in the history of the sport driving themselves and their teammates ON the court. He just had to sit back and watch and trb to keep his own hefty ego out of the way.
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Quick question...game 7 2002..switch coaches and which team wins?
(I know this thread isn't about PJ...just curious as to what ya'll thought.)
 
^^ Same outcome, unless you send the coach to the line and he's able to shoot free throws.
 
VF21 said:
^^ Same outcome, unless you send the coach to the line and he's able to shoot free throws.
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That's not quite how I meant it. :)
Same team rosters that season with the coaches switched...not just for that game. Anyway...just wondered.
 
hoopsfan said:
Quick question...game 7 2002..switch coaches and which team wins?
(I know this thread isn't about PJ...just curious as to what ya'll thought.)
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I have no idea. Game 7 wasn't won or lost by coaching moves that I could particularly see, besides perhaps the decision to play Peja for a spot.

For the whole season? Again, not sure. The Kings played BETTER than the Lakers did for that whole year, with lesser stars. Not sure either coach would have been as comfortable with the other guy's team. Not sure at all that Rick would have been able to control Shaq n Kobe. Not sure at all that PJ would have been able to stomach Peja or Vlade or know what to do with a real PG. In fact I would be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts (whatever the hell that phrase means) that halfway through the season Phil would have had Doug running the point.
 
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hoopsfan said:
Quick question...game 7 2002..switch coaches and which team wins?
(I know this thread isn't about PJ...just curious as to what ya'll thought.)
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Switch referees in the infamous Game 6 and there would not have been a Game 7.
 
quick dog said:
Switch referees in the infamous Game 6 and there would not have been a Game 7.
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Definately or give us a guy who can hit free throws in game 7 and we'd have a championship banner by now.
 
Patience brings you sucess

I know, it's a tough time to be a Kings fan; and I truly understand why cause I'm also frustrated with this team. however we also need to admit we're in a rebuilding mode yes folks we're in a rebuilding mode. it's gonna take a while till we bring a championship to Sacramento. we have to live by the bad times and hope for the good times It's hard to admit it but I also need to realize that I have to stay patience with this team cause that will only make me feel better in every way.

We have to stay patience Kings fan but at this point it's a process and it will take a while

we just have to support our team with every power we got.

We will not be down for long.

GO KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Since when...

...do Kings fans boo. It's been noted that on 4 seperate occassions already this season the Kings fans have boo'ed. I've noticed this while watching the games. Have we all become so spoiled that we've forgot the love for our team?? Sacramento has been branded one of the houses to play in, in the NBA because of the fans. Opposing teams hate to come here because of that, and the home team loves here because of that.

I'm starting to think the only reason the fans had been so loyal and supportive the whole team is, because the never had it good before this last era. The just were happy to have basketball in their town. Now they've had it good for a while, and when it starts to slump after 7 years mind you, we start booing?? I boo the fans that are going to these games. They are not representing very well.
 
The boos arent always directed at the players themselves. Its just the whole situation that this team has got itself in. Id rather watch them fall with the "core" they had for the last 5 years, than fall with a bunch of random guys from other teams. The fans can boo this team because they don't care about these players as much as they did the old ones. We coulda started 5-10 a couple years ago and you wouldnt of heard any boos.
 
I think the boos are all well deserved. Its not because fans have become spoiled, its because fans are sick of paying inflated ticket prices for a team that shows no heart.
 
If you don't like the team, don't go the game. If you don't like these players, don't go to the game. If you are tired of paying the ticket prices, don't go to the game. If you don't really like THIS group of players, don't even watch them on T.V. You have choices. Excercise them. Don't just sit there and ***** and boo.

If I was one of those players on the court and you boo'ed me it sure as hell wouldn't make me want to play any better for your entertainment.
 
DocHolliday said:
If you don't like the team, don't go the game. If you don't like these players, don't go to the game. If you are tired of paying the ticket prices, don't go to the game. If you don't really like THIS group of players, don't even watch them on T.V. You have choices. Excercise them. Don't just sit there and ***** and boo.

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Which is what you are doing. You asked a question, I responded. I like the team, I like the players, I like watching all their games, but I will booooooooooooooooooooooooo my head off when these guys show NO HEART OR EFFORT.
DocHolliday said:
You have choices. Exercise them.
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Booing is a choice to exercise, it usually shows disapproval.
 
I think the boos are all well deserved. Its not because fans have become spoiled, its because fans are sick of paying inflated ticket prices for a team that shows no heart.
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My point was this. If you are booing, because you feel this way. Because, you are tired of watching this team. Then don't watch. I'm not bitching about anything except the fans booing.
 
Two points: 1. I'm going to be merging this into the "Team a work in progress/booing" thread, which is already discussing "booing" in depth.

2. Some people boo; others don't. If you ask a question about why people do or don't, then you have to be willing to accept that their standards/priorities might just be different than your own. It's not about one person being a better or worse fan solely dependent upon whether or not they boo. Let's try and keep this civil, okay?
 
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"Which is what you are doing. You asked a question, I responded. I like the team, I like the players, I like watching all their games, but I will booooooooooooooooooooooooo my head off when these guys show NO HEART OR EFFORT. "


Well said
 
DocHolliday said:
My point was this. If you are booing, because you feel this way. Because, you are tired of watching this team. Then don't watch. I'm not bitching about anything except the fans booing.
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Find me some quote where I said I'm tired of watching this team. You won't. I think the main reason for the booing is the lack of effort. It doesn't seem like they care they are last in the Pacific Division. That is showing no heart, and in my opinion, deserves the loudest boooooooooooo I can muster.
 
i'm not a fan of booing my favorite team. i can understand why the kings have been booed at arco, but the fans as a whole need to understand one very important thing: the kings need their fanbase, more then they realize. the kings are going to have a rough season, and if arco is going to remain one of the greatest home-court advantages this season (with only 17,317 in attendance every night), then the fans are going to need to get more pumped for their team, and cheer them on when **** gets down. the kings have always fed off the fans. just cuz its largely a different team doesn't mean they still won't respond to that positive energy. when the booing starts at home, it becomes just as difficult to win on your own court as it is on the road.

i don't make any excuses for the kings. their lack of effort so far is deserving of boos, but arco just isn't going to be a very threatening place anymore if the fans begin booing their own team.
 
Padrino said:
i'm not a fan of booing my favorite team. i can understand why the kings have been booed at arco, but the fans as a whole need to understand one very important thing: the kings need their fanbase, more then they realize. the kings are going to have a rough season, and if arco is going to remain one of the greatest home-court advantages this season (with only 17,317 in attendance every night), then the fans are going to need to get more pumped for their team, and cheer them on when **** gets down. the kings have always fed off the fans. just cuz its largely a different team doesn't mean they still won't respond to that positive energy. when the booing starts at home, it becomes just as difficult to win on your own court as it is on the road.

i don't make any excuses for the kings. their lack of effort so far is deserving of boos, but arco just isn't going to be a very threatening place anymore if the fans begin booing their own team.
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Yes, the team will feed off the positive energy AND the fans will feed off EFFORT and COMMITMENT. It's a vicious circle but the ball is in the Kings court right now. IF they come out with focus and energy tonight, the crowd will respond.

If Arco isn't a threatening place any longer, the first finger should be pointed at the team, and not the fans. The fans have ALWAYS applauded effort and commitment. False praise (gold standard) aside, the majority of fans are more than willing to give it all for their team. All the team has to do is show they deserve it and are willing to work for it.

GO KINGS!

Make it impossible for us to NOT stand up and cheer. If you do it, so will we.
 
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