T-Mac, Nate Robinsion, and Foye, OH MY!

[DocHolliday]

Sorry. T-MAC is all washed up in my opinion. Stick a fork in him. He has shown me nothing to make me think otherwise.

T-MAC was always gutless. He had no heart. At his peak he may very well have been more talented than Kobe, but lacked heart, and a killer instict. The down hill slide began when at 28 or 29 we started hearing him talk about slowing down, and not knowing if he could compete at the same level in interviews. Really Tracy?? You weren't even 30 yet.

Then the back injuries started and it was a very steep decline from there. Last year he played for knicks for a little bit, and didn't do a whole lot.

The guy COULD still play if he had heart, but he doesn't.

 

[NoBonus]

What the heck would we want to do with either of those guys?

Imagine trading away Landry (ender) for Hamilton (3 years) + the next two year's first round draft picks... Could do a lot worse... yes, Rip will be 35 in his last season, but he could be a good glue/locker room guy... seems to play hard... has championship experience with a team that focused on team defense... efficient scorer... I guess the real risk would be is he healthy enough to put in a full season? Last year, the wheels kind of fell off. But if the Kings could convert Landry into near future assets... could make the Kings more imposing.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5660129

 

[NME]

Imagine trading away Landry (ender) for Hamilton (3 years) + the next two year's first round draft picks... Could do a lot worse... yes, Rip will be 35 in his last season, but he could be a good glue/locker room guy... seems to play hard... has championship experience with a team that focused on team defense... efficient scorer... I guess the real risk would be is he healthy enough to put in a full season? Last year, the wheels kind of fell off. But if the Kings could convert Landry into near future assets... could make the Kings more imposing.
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5660129

Now you've turned it into whether we want two 1sts in exchange for Landry and giving up cap space, which makes getting Hamilton as a player totally incidental. I seriously doubt a team that just picked two slots behind us in the lottery is looking to burn two 1sts for this deal.

 

[NoBonus]

Now you've turned it into whether we want two 1sts in exchange for Landry and giving up cap space, which makes getting Hamilton as a player totally incidental. I seriously doubt a team that just picked two slots behind us in the lottery is looking to burn two 1sts for this deal.

I guess it depends on if they feel they have rebuilt (wanting to win now with this group0 or if they are starting to rebuild (looking to get better draft picks/prospects). With long term deals with Gordon, I think they are in "win now" mode. This move would give them a lot of cap space in the offseason to sign Carl Landry (I am sort of joking here... sort of) or someone else to a max deal.

 

[Kingster]

I'm not going to get into the debate or whether we should go after McGrady or not. I do have feelings on the matter, but since I doubt it will happen, I see no point in the discussion. What I would like to address is the use of the word hate. I know you don't intend its use in the extreme of the true definition. But I do think we need to be careful with words like that. To hate someone, should be the worse thing you can say about that person. It seems that people love to bastardize the english language. To say something is bad, now means its really good. Etc... But hate falls into a different catagory, and should be reserved for the likes of Hitler and Stalin. People who deserve to be hated. Or at least their deeds do.

I also think there's a distinct difference between saying you hate someone, and accusing someone else of hating someone. I think its a quantum leap from my not liking McGrady on my team to actually hating him personally. How can I hate someone I don't even know? Hate is personal. Anyway, I think you get my drift. I just don't think its a word that should be thrown about. Especially, when trying to reflect the opinions of other people that you don't know personally.

Since my great aunt told me not to trust anyone that wears a bow tie, or constantly uses the word "I", when speaking, I plead quilty and bid you good day..

I hate Miami. I love the Kings. Yin and yang. Can't have one without the other. As Plato described, there are many varieties of "love". So shouldn't there be many shades of "hate" as well? I have a sister-in-law who doesn't let her kid use the word "fat" to reference those who have rather rotund figures. Where does it end? Maybe we should forbid the word "fan", as it is after all an abbreviation for fanatic, and if we play the word association game pretty soon we'll be associated with middle eastern jiadhists.

 

[cstorm]

I hate Miami. I love the Kings. Yin and yang. Can't have one without the other. As Plato described, there are many varieties of "love". So shouldn't there be many shades of "hate" as well? I have a sister-in-law who doesn't let her kid use the word "fat" to reference those who have rather rotund figures. Where does it end? Maybe we should forbid the word "fan", as it is after all an abbreviation for fanatic, and if we play the word association game pretty soon we'll be associated with middle eastern jiadhists.

You can't refer to "Love" unless you acknowledge "Hate". Well said Kingster.

 

[NoBonus]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...pistons_working_to_un_jam_log_jam_at_wing/el/

Looks like the Pistons are looking for a trade partner to offload a SF or SG... Jerekbo or Hamilton anyone?

 

[NME]

I don't get why you're so hot on paying an aging player whose shooting is on the downslide $12 million for the next three years. That's so off from anything we should be interested in right now. Jerebko's more of a PF, but even if you consider him a SF, we have Donte and Omri.

 

[Superman]

Now you've turned it into whether we want two 1sts in exchange for Landry and giving up cap space, which makes getting Hamilton as a player totally incidental. I seriously doubt a team that just picked two slots behind us in the lottery is looking to burn two 1sts for this deal.

His contract is still the main sticking point. I doubt that they would give us two 1sts for a backup power forward and the chance to clear $35 million off their books, but even if they did, do we want that $35 million on ours? If we were to win a championship in the next three years with Rip on the roster, I'd be fine with it, but I also don't think we should be spending that kind of money on an aging shooting guard when we're going to have to resign our young guys in coming years.

There's also the new CBA to consider. We're fortunate to not have any big contracts on the books after this season. We should keep it that way until we know what's going to happen with the new deal. We'll have maximum flexibility either way, but we can make sure that we're not one of the teams that's handicapped by a potentially more restrictive CBA.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Exactly. And given that Hamilton is the closest thing to Kevin Martin out there, and Kevin and Tyreke didn't exactly work out... why would we want to spend $35 million on an older, more expensive Kevin Martin, again?

 

[Superman]

Exactly. And given that Hamilton is the closest thing to Kevin Martin out there, and Kevin and Tyreke didn't exactly work out... why would we want to spend $35 million on an older, more expensive Kevin Martin, again?

I don't think Hamilton's game is that similar to Kevin Martin's, to be honest with you. I think Rip is much better off the ball than Martin is, and his midrange game is much more effective, partially because of his release. Of course, he has other limitations, especially as age and injuries begin to take their toll. They're the same in that they need help to be effective scorers, but Rip has some traits to his offensive game that Kevin doesn't, and those traits might make the pairing with Evans a little more successful.

I'm certain we don't need Rip, especially at over $12 million a year. But I wouldn't be concerned about pairing him with Evans in the starting lineup.

 

[mac]

I don't think Hamilton's game is that similar to Kevin Martin's, to be honest with you. I think Rip is much better off the ball than Martin is, and his midrange game is much more effective, partially because of his release. Of course, he has other limitations, especially as age and injuries begin to take their toll. They're the same in that they need help to be effective scorers, but Rip has some traits to his offensive game that Kevin doesn't, and those traits might make the pairing with Evans a little more successful.

I'm certain we don't need Rip, especially at over $12 million a year. But I wouldn't be concerned about pairing him with Evans in the starting lineup.

Rip would certainly be a better pairing with Tyreke than Kevin was. Thing is, I don't think we need Rip Hamilton for the simple reason that his strengths won't really be used much when paired with Tyreke's game. Rip is really good at moving off the ball like you said, coming off screens and shooting whereas Martin is better in cutting backdoor and stuff like that I think. Martin's strength is his quickness, whereas Rip somewhat uses more craftiness together with lesser quickness to get himself free for shots. I never realised how good Ray Allen was at this as well until I saw more of him in Boston, as with the Sonics he played a more on the ball role.

Now we've got a post presence in DMC/Landry/whoever else, and Tyreke's strength is already in driving inside. Teams will need to collapse on Tyreke when he drives, allowing him to either drop the ball off inside or kick it out. Same thing with DMC - if they double team him, he'll kick it out. Rip's off-ball movement would thus be fairly redundant and would possibly even clog the lane even more. It would provide another option of offense, sure, but whether that's worth the cost is a different thing altogether, since we'd probably end up using him as a pure shooter most of the time. If we were going to get a Rip-like player I'd rather have Ray Allen who has better range, can hit 3s for us and occasionally come off screens as part of our offensive scheme.

 

[Bricklayer]

to the degree that Rip would work better than Kevin its largely because he's a better rounded player and would be better as a 15-16ppg than Kevin would. But of course its precisely because we only need a middling scorer like that that we have absolutely no need to spend $12mil there.