Don't Sleep On B-Mac....Here's Why:

[Blob]

Yes, we all understand that YOU think YOUR opinions are extremely accurate. What a shocker!

I'm not surprised that a fan that started a thread such as this one would not do the trade. You're higher on McLemore than most. That's fine, but your arrogance in your posts is something you should work on. Of course if you don't care how arrogant you come across, feel free to continue on this path.

And I thought you said you were done? Not even a man/woman of your own word?

I am not arrogant in my opinion I am confident in my opinion. I said there is a 50/50 chance B-Mac will be in the rotation this year. That's hardly a definitive declaration. And one more thing to add is your trade idea comes from a position of desperation. You don't make out well when you trade from a position of desperation. Ben and Koufos may very well be packaged to return us something....but if and when it occurs I guarantee you it will be for a lot more than the garbage to which you would accept.

 

[Blob]

Thanks.

You're welcome.

 

[Blob]

I'm prepping for McLemore starting over Afflalo possibly for a few reasons, even if Afflalo remains the seasoned, refined player.

1. Lawson/Afflalo backcourt defensively might be tough for a defensive minded coach if the athletic McLemore is ready to apply himself as he has stated he wants to in interviews
2. Afflalo and Rudy are alike. Offensive, kind of ISO guys who like to post a bit
3. Afflalo presents no upside heading forward whereas Ben might (Joerger has said season not about wins/losses)
4. There is going to be a lot of offense on the court with Cousins/Gay/Lawson(Collison)/our PF, and Ben strikes me as the more complimentary piece in that regard.

Your points are insightful and well-taken though it is complementary, not complimentary, a personal pet peeve of mine. It might be that because Affalo, Rudy and Boogie can score out of the post, we may want to move one of these guys to second team, otherwise we do not maximize their skills. If you run post up for Affalo with the 1st team, then Boogie and Rudy need to clear the lane to give Affalo room to operate. This is NOT ideal spacing. So instead you may start Ben, assuming he can beat up the esteemed G. Temple and his journeyman skill set and bring Temple off the bench. Then bring Affalo off the bench when Boogie and Rudy are getting a break, and Affalo can get a few plays called for him out of the post.

This is the decision process that Coach Joerger is faced with, finding the combination of guys that will work best, that will be synergistic and spectacular. When you see and read the conventional posts that talk about Ben being done as a King, consider the source, consider the competing variables, and consider saying, "not so fast, Skippy,"

 

[twslam07]

I am not arrogant in my opinion I am confident in my opinion. I said there is a 50/50 chance B-Mac will be in the rotation this year. That's hardly a definitive declaration. And one more thing to add is your trade idea comes from a position of desperation. You don't make out well when you trade from a position of desperation. Ben and Koufos may very well be packaged to return us something....but if and when it occurs I guarantee you it will be for a lot more than the garbage to which you would accept.

You also don't make out well attempting to trade a player after watching all of his value dry up.

 

[datamanwes]

BMac this is it, no more excuses, I think we give him some time to learn and grow before giving up on him, I know he has had a few years already but with his kind of potential we need to be sure. I would rather keep him to long and know he is a scrub than trade away a future star in the league

 

[ESP47]

I can't believe people are still holding out hope for McLemore.

He couldn't even make his presence felt in a scrimmage game with the guys playing at 50%.

Take a look at a guy like Casspi. He is essentially the same player as McLemore. A spot up shooter who doesn't really have a handle. Yet for some reason Casspi is just always right there in the action. Whether it's getting points by leading a fast break or cutting to the hoop and getting easy buckets. You notice Casspi when he's out there, regardless of his shortcomings.

McLemore is a ghost out there because he has no feel for the game. He's a decent shooter and a great athlete but he's never in the right position. When he cuts, he's always covered. He just kind of runs along the baseline from one side of the floor to the other, practically never getting open. He has absolutely no feel for the game whatsoever and it's painfully obvious because you barely notice him out there because he's just cruising around outside of all the action.

 

[datamanwes]

Ben is still young, works hard and still has potential. I don't know that with his passive nature, He can make the leap but at least with him now being a father and a new coach that is not named George Karl. We might see something worth keeping. If we could trade him for a very good player or a TOP TEN DRAFT PICK I WOULD SAY DO IT.But I think what we would get back in trade might not be worth the risk. If he hasn't made a significant leap by the trade deadline I would think we would move him.

 

[parker]

I can't believe people are still holding out hope for McLemore.

He couldn't even make his presence felt in a scrimmage game with the guys playing at 50%.

Take a look at a guy like Casspi. He is essentially the same player as McLemore. A spot up shooter who doesn't really have a handle. Yet for some reason Casspi is just always right there in the action. Whether it's getting points by leading a fast break or cutting to the hoop and getting easy buckets. You notice Casspi when he's out there, regardless of his shortcomings.

McLemore is a ghost out there because he has no feel for the game. He's a decent shooter and a great athlete but he's never in the right position. When he cuts, he's always covered. He just kind of runs along the baseline from one side of the floor to the other, practically never getting open. He has absolutely no feel for the game whatsoever and it's painfully obvious because you barely notice him out there because he's just cruising around outside of all the action.

I don't agree that Casspi and Ben are similar, but Casspi has been in the league for 7 years and his best year was last year. That year was not much better (if at all) than Ben's second season.

 

[Kingsfan23]

I can't believe people are still holding out hope for McLemore.

He couldn't even make his presence felt in a scrimmage game with the guys playing at 50%.

Take a look at a guy like Casspi. He is essentially the same player as McLemore. A spot up shooter who doesn't really have a handle. Yet for some reason Casspi is just always right there in the action. Whether it's getting points by leading a fast break or cutting to the hoop and getting easy buckets. You notice Casspi when he's out there, regardless of his shortcomings.

McLemore is a ghost out there because he has no feel for the game. He's a decent shooter and a great athlete but he's never in the right position. When he cuts, he's always covered. He just kind of runs along the baseline from one side of the floor to the other, practically never getting open. He has absolutely no feel for the game whatsoever and it's painfully obvious because you barely notice him out there because he's just cruising around outside of all the action.

I'm holding out hope that he can be a 3/D guy that can stay out of the way of the rest of the team, and maybe improve upon that in the coming years, nothing more. I don't think many are looking for him to blossom into a prime, top 5 SG.

We have talent at other positions now and hopefully will continue to in the future.

With Cousins/Gay/Casspi etc, there aren't going to be s lot of looks. they just need a random guy to hustle on D and play off them. Not a guy using more touches like an Afflalo type. But how to get a better one? They went after Lee, and this isn't a FA destination at all

 

[ESP47]

I don't agree that Casspi and Ben are similar, but Casspi has been in the league for 7 years and his best year was last year. That year was not much better (if at all) than Ben's second season.

How are they different other than size? They basically do the same thing except Casspi has a nose for the game and BMac has zero feel whatsoever.

I'm holding out hope that he can be a 3/D guy that can stay out of the way of the rest of the team, and maybe improve upon that in the coming years, nothing more. I don't think many are looking for him to blossom into a prime, top 5 SG.

We have talent at other positions now and hopefully will continue to in the future.

With Cousins/Gay/Casspi etc, there aren't going to be s lot of looks. they just need a random guy to hustle on D and play off them. Not a guy using more touches like an Afflalo type. But how to get a better one? They went after Lee, and this isn't a FA destination at all

The only time he has played successful basketball since he's been in the league has been during Malone's 2nd season before he got fired. Ben was actually playing the way you are hoping for to start that year but that didn't last very long and he's been floundering since. He just doesn't affect the game in any measurable way to justify playing him 25+ minutes a game. The only reason he's played fairly big minutes since he's been here has been because we haven't had much depth at the position.

I'd like him to be able to return to that player and Joerger is going to give him that chance but I gave up any hope on this guy a long time ago. He seems like a good guy and he's a hard worker but I just don't know if he has the brain for the game.